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These are Jack's posts from his thread, above. I like to distill info from the threads I find particularly helpful... this is what it looks like. Maybe this format will help people sift through the mass of information he provided. I hope it helps.
August, 2011
Post #1: 4x4 smart pots in every 4x8 tray with either 100% Coco or Roots Organic Soil. [8 bags of coco per 4x4 tray]
#5: 32 rooted cuttings 14 day veg and flipped..This room is Roots Organic soil going to switch to pure COCO no perlite...
#22: Heavy 16, Big Bud, Then week 7 and 8 Moab /Hammer Head. All the above rooms are usingRoots Organic soil Its good shit..I have had issues with the soil coming with fungus nats lately there quality control has gone down. Straight Cana Coco from here on out ..But you cant beat Roots soil for ease of use..Keeping it simple
#32: Plant count per bed? It depends on strain and if we are starting from rooted clone. With OG 32 to 40 rooted cuttings per 4x8. 14 to 20 day veg. If the plants are pre vegged 16 per tray.
When using the 4x4 smart pots they work a lot better with the deeper trays..Or you can just build your own.
We have yet to grow in a medium that yields like COCO. So far the best run we have had has been our COCO run. All other mediums and systems have averaged 1.25 to 1.5 overall give or take for different strains. With COCO we hit the magic # but it does require alot more feeding.And it is also the only medium I have seen roots dolphin at the top of the medium.Roots soil makes life a little easier when there is this much work involved you really cant go wrong.
Flowering in Undercurrent? No I am not..I am currently using it for my moms hands down there is not a better system out there for moms. Rocking some UC'S out doors also
#49: We use hanging trellis that are mounted from unistrut If the plants stretch beyond the first trellis we throw the netting over but I do not like doing this it chokes out the plants.
Installing a UV light takes 10 min its super easy any one can do it. We have yet to have any PM issues even with the rooms with big plants hitting 90% humidity at night...
Hours per week in the garden? Started this morning at 5 am and its 230 am the next day...:hi Its alot of hard work but I never complain beacuse in the end I do what I love and I Provide for alot of sick patience...7 days a week 12 to 20 hrs a day
We are abel to take hundreds of cuttings a week from the Under Currents mom's no othere system our medium compaires hands down..And it is Roots Organic soil that we use and Cana Coco.
#64: Best system for limited count? Yes the UC is at the top of my list for limited plant #
Agricultural Organics use? I use the bloom silica as Ph up. I do not use any other products besides there foilar stuff. ***Note: read information regarding dangers of paclobutrazol and daminozide.***
Why have you moved away from the UC? I notice that your plant count is significantly higher with this soil rooms, (16/light?) is that the reason for the switch?
The uc's on a large scale are alot of work to tear down and clean after every run..Along with needing the rite strain that does well in the UC'S if plants # are a concern its the way to go..If not COCO beds are the way to go for yield, and over all quality..Either way works great but I would keep it simple.
October, 2011
#114:
-Are you running the coco beds drain to waste? Whats your watering schedule look like and how many gallons per table would you say you go through? Thanks!
-Curious at what the timer / sprinkler valves with the red electectrical lines that are Not hooked up to your rain bird timer system and pump system do? They could be something else its hard to see for sure but the electrical lines look loose to me. Also would like to know how you sync the pump from your top off reservoir to your rain bird timer and or drip bubbler system.
Drain to waist bro…All the valves are tied into a sprinkler timer each bed gets watered for 3 min every other day the pump is on a sprinkler timer and a relay also so when the sprinkler timer comes on so does the pump.
We always flush the COCO with straight RO PH at 5.5. This is exacatly what i use nothing more nothing less. HEAVY 16 A & B VEG and during VEG the only thing I add besides base nutes is CALPLEX at 80 to 100 ppm. I never go above 1000 ppm in veg. Then flower its Base nutes Heavy 16 -WITH 60 to 80 ppm of Calplex, Then week 2-5 I add Big Bud and After week 5 i drop Big Bud and Cal plex is dropped at week 4 Then week 6 and 7 or 7 and 8 depending on strain its MOAB HAMMER HEAD.base nutes cut in half.. We where brewing teas and using all kinds of different teas and we seen no difference when we stopped using them. Hope that helps.. The COCO AND SOIL beds are used over and over and every time they seem to get better.
November, 2011:
#123: I am using 2x4x4 square smart pots in every 4x8 tray my hydro store has them next day when i order them no special order they work alot better and cheaper then the 200 gallon smart pots.U can get away with the trays that arent as deep but the deep ones fit like a glove ..I still have one room with smart pots and it sucks to have to tear them down wash and refill that many smart pots we use 3 to 5 gallon smart pots depending on how many are ran per tray.
March, 2012:
#169: Cana CocO +Full Aptus line, Drain to waist, And weekly tea brews using Capulars Benies.. Plants are feed every day in flower... So far I am really digging the Aptus boosters.
#175: Day and feeding regimen?
Around day 23 its crazy they all look like they where hit with a super dose of phosphoload. But they where not!!!!! The Fasilatator is amazing stuff and only 60 ml per 100 gallon it does make the rez bubble up like crazy just like sea green but cleaner..
We use 100 gallons for every 12- 4x8 trays.So basicly every 24 lights gets 100 gallons per day. With every couple watering aptus and the alternate waterings just base nutes. This is in flower in veg they are watered every 2 to 3 days depending on size and wether we are in beds or pots..
Harvest procedure? Every thing is hand trimmed .. As far as time the plant is hung for 6 to 7 days then bagged for 3 days then trimmed..
#181: Does fasilitor control stretch? I do have pics in veg and the plants that the dose was doubled after the first 2 weeks of flower they did not stretch all the strains I grow always stretch big time some I let stretch some I dont depending on how I am growing number of plants veg time.I have a small test run that is being trimmed that was grown with Fasilitor and there is no affect on taste at all. But everything we grow gets a minamum of 2 week flush. At the end of the day if your room is not dialed and you dont know your strain no bloom bosster is going to help.. But if everything is dialed it will really put things on a whole nother level.
#182: Do you use a Drizair dehumidifier? We usally run 1 drizair the big one not sure model the biggest one they make for every 20 lights if the plants are really big 2 per room. The key is tempeature to make them work correctly..80.deg day 77 night..I have no in or out vents in the rooms completly sealed..
#191: Jack uses both liquid and powder Big Bud.
#202: One large feeding per week? Its your first time running beds its part of growing we learn from our mistakes you would be way better off doing less [smaller quantity] waterings more often we have it timed just pefect each room with 10 beds gets 100 gallons thats 10-4x8 trays even the smart pot room gets the same amount feed every other day in veg every day in flower...
#213: Have you tried Prime from Heavy16? How strong are your nutrient mixes? Yes I have tried prime I have tried almost every nutrien combo out there and Aptus is rite on the top of the list so far, As far as your Heavy 16 question goes it depends on what strains where running and if we are in pots are beds. But with Aptus we haven't seen any sign of nute burn or deffeciancy . In Veg we go light feeding around an ec of 0.5 to 0.6 and work are way up through flower usually week 4 and 5 topping out at an ec of 2.0 to 2.5. with Heavy 16 we have foung a peak ec of 2.0 work best for most strains.
For complete description of his watering system, see:
https://www.thcfarmer.com/community...ystem-the-way-jack-does-it.47269/#post-824683
Dripper head manifolds? I have done a few post on the drippers they are Octa Bubblers Green Coast carrys them so does large irragation supply company's each Octa Bubbler has 8 ports we run 2 Octa bubblers for every 4x4 so each 4x8 tray gets 4 heads.If we run less plants we just plug the ones where not using.
#215: I wanted to thank Capulator for brining his bennies to the Farm I had some issues in veg that I could not figuer out after a couple tea brews These bitches just exploded with growth. We had an on going issue with bad Hanna meters the bennies really helped the Ph issues we had.. I will never grow with out his stuff its has a permanent place in my garden. Im using his exact tea brew with Nute, Foliar,Root packs with Mollases and Alfalfa worm castings doing a tea brew 1 time a week.Its so nice not having to deal with fungus Gnats...
http://www.amazon.com/Smart-Pot-Liner-Tray-x48/dp/B004O3NKDI
These are Jack's posts from his thread, above. I like to distill info from the threads I find particularly helpful... this is what it looks like. Maybe this format will help people sift through the mass of information he provided. I hope it helps.
August, 2011
Post #1: 4x4 smart pots in every 4x8 tray with either 100% Coco or Roots Organic Soil. [8 bags of coco per 4x4 tray]
#5: 32 rooted cuttings 14 day veg and flipped..This room is Roots Organic soil going to switch to pure COCO no perlite...
#22: Heavy 16, Big Bud, Then week 7 and 8 Moab /Hammer Head. All the above rooms are usingRoots Organic soil Its good shit..I have had issues with the soil coming with fungus nats lately there quality control has gone down. Straight Cana Coco from here on out ..But you cant beat Roots soil for ease of use..Keeping it simple
#32: Plant count per bed? It depends on strain and if we are starting from rooted clone. With OG 32 to 40 rooted cuttings per 4x8. 14 to 20 day veg. If the plants are pre vegged 16 per tray.
When using the 4x4 smart pots they work a lot better with the deeper trays..Or you can just build your own.
We have yet to grow in a medium that yields like COCO. So far the best run we have had has been our COCO run. All other mediums and systems have averaged 1.25 to 1.5 overall give or take for different strains. With COCO we hit the magic # but it does require alot more feeding.And it is also the only medium I have seen roots dolphin at the top of the medium.Roots soil makes life a little easier when there is this much work involved you really cant go wrong.
Flowering in Undercurrent? No I am not..I am currently using it for my moms hands down there is not a better system out there for moms. Rocking some UC'S out doors also
#49: We use hanging trellis that are mounted from unistrut If the plants stretch beyond the first trellis we throw the netting over but I do not like doing this it chokes out the plants.
Installing a UV light takes 10 min its super easy any one can do it. We have yet to have any PM issues even with the rooms with big plants hitting 90% humidity at night...
Hours per week in the garden? Started this morning at 5 am and its 230 am the next day...:hi Its alot of hard work but I never complain beacuse in the end I do what I love and I Provide for alot of sick patience...7 days a week 12 to 20 hrs a day
We are abel to take hundreds of cuttings a week from the Under Currents mom's no othere system our medium compaires hands down..And it is Roots Organic soil that we use and Cana Coco.
#64: Best system for limited count? Yes the UC is at the top of my list for limited plant #
Agricultural Organics use? I use the bloom silica as Ph up. I do not use any other products besides there foilar stuff. ***Note: read information regarding dangers of paclobutrazol and daminozide.***
Why have you moved away from the UC? I notice that your plant count is significantly higher with this soil rooms, (16/light?) is that the reason for the switch?
The uc's on a large scale are alot of work to tear down and clean after every run..Along with needing the rite strain that does well in the UC'S if plants # are a concern its the way to go..If not COCO beds are the way to go for yield, and over all quality..Either way works great but I would keep it simple.
October, 2011
#114:
-Are you running the coco beds drain to waste? Whats your watering schedule look like and how many gallons per table would you say you go through? Thanks!
-Curious at what the timer / sprinkler valves with the red electectrical lines that are Not hooked up to your rain bird timer system and pump system do? They could be something else its hard to see for sure but the electrical lines look loose to me. Also would like to know how you sync the pump from your top off reservoir to your rain bird timer and or drip bubbler system.
Drain to waist bro…All the valves are tied into a sprinkler timer each bed gets watered for 3 min every other day the pump is on a sprinkler timer and a relay also so when the sprinkler timer comes on so does the pump.
We always flush the COCO with straight RO PH at 5.5. This is exacatly what i use nothing more nothing less. HEAVY 16 A & B VEG and during VEG the only thing I add besides base nutes is CALPLEX at 80 to 100 ppm. I never go above 1000 ppm in veg. Then flower its Base nutes Heavy 16 -WITH 60 to 80 ppm of Calplex, Then week 2-5 I add Big Bud and After week 5 i drop Big Bud and Cal plex is dropped at week 4 Then week 6 and 7 or 7 and 8 depending on strain its MOAB HAMMER HEAD.base nutes cut in half.. We where brewing teas and using all kinds of different teas and we seen no difference when we stopped using them. Hope that helps.. The COCO AND SOIL beds are used over and over and every time they seem to get better.
November, 2011:
#123: I am using 2x4x4 square smart pots in every 4x8 tray my hydro store has them next day when i order them no special order they work alot better and cheaper then the 200 gallon smart pots.U can get away with the trays that arent as deep but the deep ones fit like a glove ..I still have one room with smart pots and it sucks to have to tear them down wash and refill that many smart pots we use 3 to 5 gallon smart pots depending on how many are ran per tray.
March, 2012:
#169: Cana CocO +Full Aptus line, Drain to waist, And weekly tea brews using Capulars Benies.. Plants are feed every day in flower... So far I am really digging the Aptus boosters.
#175: Day and feeding regimen?
Around day 23 its crazy they all look like they where hit with a super dose of phosphoload. But they where not!!!!! The Fasilatator is amazing stuff and only 60 ml per 100 gallon it does make the rez bubble up like crazy just like sea green but cleaner..
We use 100 gallons for every 12- 4x8 trays.So basicly every 24 lights gets 100 gallons per day. With every couple watering aptus and the alternate waterings just base nutes. This is in flower in veg they are watered every 2 to 3 days depending on size and wether we are in beds or pots..
Harvest procedure? Every thing is hand trimmed .. As far as time the plant is hung for 6 to 7 days then bagged for 3 days then trimmed..
#181: Does fasilitor control stretch? I do have pics in veg and the plants that the dose was doubled after the first 2 weeks of flower they did not stretch all the strains I grow always stretch big time some I let stretch some I dont depending on how I am growing number of plants veg time.I have a small test run that is being trimmed that was grown with Fasilitor and there is no affect on taste at all. But everything we grow gets a minamum of 2 week flush. At the end of the day if your room is not dialed and you dont know your strain no bloom bosster is going to help.. But if everything is dialed it will really put things on a whole nother level.
#182: Do you use a Drizair dehumidifier? We usally run 1 drizair the big one not sure model the biggest one they make for every 20 lights if the plants are really big 2 per room. The key is tempeature to make them work correctly..80.deg day 77 night..I have no in or out vents in the rooms completly sealed..
#191: Jack uses both liquid and powder Big Bud.
#202: One large feeding per week? Its your first time running beds its part of growing we learn from our mistakes you would be way better off doing less [smaller quantity] waterings more often we have it timed just pefect each room with 10 beds gets 100 gallons thats 10-4x8 trays even the smart pot room gets the same amount feed every other day in veg every day in flower...
#213: Have you tried Prime from Heavy16? How strong are your nutrient mixes? Yes I have tried prime I have tried almost every nutrien combo out there and Aptus is rite on the top of the list so far, As far as your Heavy 16 question goes it depends on what strains where running and if we are in pots are beds. But with Aptus we haven't seen any sign of nute burn or deffeciancy . In Veg we go light feeding around an ec of 0.5 to 0.6 and work are way up through flower usually week 4 and 5 topping out at an ec of 2.0 to 2.5. with Heavy 16 we have foung a peak ec of 2.0 work best for most strains.
For complete description of his watering system, see:
https://www.thcfarmer.com/community...ystem-the-way-jack-does-it.47269/#post-824683
Dripper head manifolds? I have done a few post on the drippers they are Octa Bubblers Green Coast carrys them so does large irragation supply company's each Octa Bubbler has 8 ports we run 2 Octa bubblers for every 4x4 so each 4x8 tray gets 4 heads.If we run less plants we just plug the ones where not using.
#215: I wanted to thank Capulator for brining his bennies to the Farm I had some issues in veg that I could not figuer out after a couple tea brews These bitches just exploded with growth. We had an on going issue with bad Hanna meters the bennies really helped the Ph issues we had.. I will never grow with out his stuff its has a permanent place in my garden. Im using his exact tea brew with Nute, Foliar,Root packs with Mollases and Alfalfa worm castings doing a tea brew 1 time a week.Its so nice not having to deal with fungus Gnats...
http://www.amazon.com/Smart-Pot-Liner-Tray-x48/dp/B004O3NKDI
