Jakes Rd.2 1000w 5 Plant Scrog

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bobby's right, without a controller you're just wasting time/money/effort. If you're gonna go the co2 route I'd work on setting up a properly sealed room with a nice controller. co2 is cool and does effect plant growth but just adding a scrog and a ghetto rigged co2 tank isn't going to give you an extra lb of weed.
You've gotta know the strains you're growing very well and you've got to be able to build every plant's structure perfectly to be nearly identical to create as even a canopy as possible. As said above hydro/aero would be a better option if you're looking to just get a lot of weed.
its gonna take a few more grows for you to approach "1gpw", and even then you'll probably see that your gpw/30 days suck... especially in soil.
 
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yeah i plan on vegging longer than usual of course. i mean im almost at a month of vegging now. the plants have TONS of nodes. i know im getting a little ahead of myself but in no way am i expecting to hit 1gpw this run. i would like to hit .5gpw like i said. and i personally think with the longer veg time almost twice as many plants being trained (compared to no training at all) under a screen and a little co2? i dont think its unreasonable to say i can get close to a pound or more off of this light? i mean i got .6 lbs off my last run with 5 untrained plants under a tiny hood vegged for like 2 weeks. i think this run is exponentially better.

and as for the co2? i dont see how you guys think is going to be such a waste, many people DONT run controllers. my room is sealed up fairly well. only reason i say its unsealed is because technically its not. i have an intake so the room has a constant positive pressure. i was thinking of putting a passive vent at the top above the light because co2 drops to the bottom. but idk, i might trust try and use the co2 with the fans off. so the room WILL be completely sealed at this point and see if it gets too hot. if not then im just gonna blast the shit out of it with co2. if i overshoot the 1500 ppm mark i really dont care. like i said co2 is cheap. now i can see if i were pumping all this co2 in there with a big exhaust and just sucking it all out but this isnt what im doing...

a controller is on my list. gotta do this one step at a time, im milking unemployment and cant go buck wild
 
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jake, with the scrog, you want to veg a bit longer to fill out the screen. If you just flip and train the stretch, you'll lose out on more budsites.

so should i lower the screen now and start training them into it soon? i mean the plants are only like 10"s tall from all the training.
 
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Dynomite (sp.?) has a thread titled 2LBS/Light or something like that, and he grows in dirt.

Lotsa people do it, but it takes time.

And as far as your CO2 setup, could you elaborate a bit more on that? Just looking at your space, it doesn't seem to have a lot of the hardware (AC, dehumidifier, etc.) that you'd really want to be able to enrich properly.

I can't tell you if the "ghetto" way is a worthwhile endeavor because I've never tried it, but in all honesty I'd imagine it's gonna be more trouble than it's worth.

Without being able to know the amount of CO2 in your room and to be able to adequately contain the CO2 in there, I think you'd be wasting your money and probably just causing yourself unnecessary headaches.

Again, just my $.02.


and dynamite grows in rockwool in a 16x16 grow room with 8kw's. hardly comparable to anything im doing.
 
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Moving right along. My 2c regarding c02. Waste of time or not? I say NOT but only if other factors are met.

Enviroment/temps is critical. I see the temp gauge in your pics and it is hot and dry. without c02 75-80f and 40-60% rh would help.

You need a ac, dehumidifier and controller to optimally run c02. If you inject c02 into your room how you going to keep it cool? Using an exhuast fan removes the c02.

You want everything dialed before adding c02 for the most benefit. I would try and get the enviroment more dialed first. higher RH and lower temps will help the current growth.

Dynamite gets 2+ in rockwool croutons not soil. 2+ is possible in soil. a friend w c02 and runs 5-6 plants per light and consistently get 2.5 in soil (with c02).

All same strain. Adding c02 is not a magical yield enhancer. If other factors are not met the c02 is not as beneficial. I have gotten 1.8lbs under 1k without c02. Then have gotten as low as 1.5 and as high as 2.3 with c02. Training the plants and getting em big along with vertical lighting is also contributing to the higher yield. I find Enviroment mono-cropping, c02, plant size and number all contribute. focus on one strain and learn it. Training, cloning, feeding, best height to flower then you start. pick a good yielding strain like blue dream then focus on it. Monocropping is running the same strain.

for now I would focus on what you got.
Can you improve your current conditions? Can you get an ac rather than c02 or a humidifier?

It appears you using in and out air for cooling?


Try to not burn em and try to keep the temps below 84f. Higher humidity in veg really bumps up the growth. 20% is really low. I can get good grow that that rate but nothing compared to 60% rh. I cannot stress enough the importance of Enviroment enviroment enviroment. With good enviroment can still yield really well without c02.

I try to walk before I can run. A good goal it to complete this harvest bug free and quality meds, without em being burned. Most importantly your making improvements.

I try to not be super concerned with yield. Can cause disappointment. I plan for the worst and then if I do better I am happy. Most importantly a healthy bud and mold free harvest.

Hope that helps, just sharing from experience. hope what route you take is successful for you.
 
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first and foremost i want to thank everyone for all there input/constructive criticism, its extremely appreciated.

and to answer some of your questions leadsled. without cooling the room whatsoever it peaks around 87. does adding co2 from a bottle create heat? i was told you can run a little bit higher temperatures when running co2.

and i have NO EXHAUST. only an intake fan which has ducting thats pulling cool air from a concrete corner of the basement. the temps in this area range from 65-75* when i pump this air into the room it stays around 82* and the only way air is exiting the room is around the door. everything else in the room is got caulking/expanding foam. and once i got the co2 i planned on trying to seal the door even better.

as for getting a ac and humidifier the AC i planned on getting after this run. about 350 for the unit i had in mind. and then for the humidifier i think those are pretty cheap but i really wouldnt know how to control it, like wouldnt i have to get an environment controller to do that? i dont want to leave it on all the time do i? i go to my grow room once or twice a day.

and my next run i am DEFINITELY running a single strain. most likely blue dream, since i have some experience with it now. i wanted to switch to like g13 or blackberry next run, but i think ill stick to what has been working well for me already.
 
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and to answer some of your questions leadsled. without cooling the room whatsoever it peaks around 87. does adding co2 from a bottle create heat? i was told you can run a little bit higher temperatures when running co2.

Bottle c02 does not add heat nor humidity.

TO clarify higher temps for c02.
higher temps for c02 means running in the higher range of more like 78-84f rather than 72-78f (or maybe higher) without c02.

Above 85f plants stomata can close and c02 is better not probably not being used until temps drop back down. So ideally you want to try and stay below 85f.

and i have NO EXHAUST. only an intake fan which has ducting thats pulling cool air from a concrete corner of the basement. the temps in this area range from 65-75* when i pump this air into the room it stays around 82* and the only way air is exiting the room is around the door. everything else in the room is got caulking/expanding foam. and once i got the co2 i planned on trying to seal the door even better.

Alright now we are getting somewhere. Bingo! There is a way you can improve your enviroment.


Ideally you should have intake exhaust for air exchange. That is how fresh c02 is given to the plants.
Would be better to use air exchange for now and try and keep temps cooler at 82. I bet you would improve your results with that for starters.

Good way to start now then can add the c02 later.

as for getting a ac and humidifier the AC i planned on getting after this run. about 350 for the unit i had in mind. and then for the humidifier i think those are pretty cheap but i really wouldnt know how to control it, like wouldnt i have to get an environment controller to do that? i dont want to leave it on all the time do i? i go to my grow room once or twice a day.

good plan, better to go overkill with the ac. I find it is safe to get at least 4000btu of ac for each 1000 watts of light.

Regarding the control for dehuey.

No, Many de-humidifers have build in controllers.

You set the % rh you want and it starts and stops once RH passes the level you set. With your dry room it may only be needed during lights off when you seal your room. The ac does remove moisture as well, but not as much when lights are off.

If it is only needed during lights off, then you can use a timer. When buying a ac and dehumidifier I recommend checking into auto-restart units. They. automatically restart after a power outtage. They also will work with a timer.

best to check and see where you are with your temps humidity at after getting the ac. Then decide next equipment to get. I got the ac first then added the dehuey when i got into flower. My room is fine with just an ac in veg.

Some rooms are very dry and need to add humidity. You do not see it often but it is important and can make a dramatic improvement in growth.

Not sure on commercial models. A Humidifer would need a enviromental controller to control it. I use a residential model with a dial and use it with a timer. Ideally you would use a controller to ideally control all aspects of your room. temps rh c02, etc.


and my next run i am DEFINITELY running a single strain. most likely blue dream, since i have some experience with it now. i wanted to switch to like g13 or blackberry next run, but i think ill stick to what has been working well for me already.

Grow what you like and enjoy. My yields increased once i started mono cropping. All the little things together add up.

Nice to have variety as well. My and a few friends that grow decided what strains we like. That way we trade so we can have some variety between us. Also helps to keep the genetics going.

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well i dont see any reason i would need a DE humidifier, i mean when the lights turn off for the four hours it still doesnt go over 43% humidity. i have a DRY environment.

and as for the exhaust i just havent put one in because i havent needed it. i mean my temps are under 82 on most occasions. im NOT having a real temp issue in my opinion. it goes from 74-82 lights off to lights on. my humidity is my concern. and you say to get a humidifier ill need a controller for it and what not. i just dont see this as being feasible this run. thats a lot more money than the co2 setup.

and as for the air exchange now. i just leave the door open and have a box fan blowing air towards the door. there is a lot of air being exchanged now IMO. now if were to run the co2 i could close the door seal the room up because i wont need the fresh air exchange when adding co2. so if i can keep the temp under 84 without exchanging air in the room then i see my co2 addition being a huge benefit.

i honestly understand why you guys are stressing on environment control and what not, i just dont think mine is SO out of control that it needs to be addressed before anything else.

ive even tried closing the door and leaving the intake OFF and the temps only went up to 87. which i know is high but not like off the charts.
 
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Jake, I think what this whole discussion comes down to is what your end goal is out of your setup.

Is this a permanent grow you're looking to build out with, is this a "one and done" grow before you move somewhere else, etc.

If you let us know your "exit strategy", if you will, it'd probably help us see exactly where you're coming from.

Because we all seem to pretty much be in agreement that there are some other things that you should be addressing before adding CO2, but if you know something we don't, that could be where the disconnect is happening.
 
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well i want my end result to be as much weed as possible out of this run lol.

i think putting an intake exhaust setup on it would be going backwards.

i want the room to be sealed. my next run i will have a 10k btu window ac from friedrich that doesnt exhaust your co2. and most likely a controller for my co2 on the next run.

i do plan on moving to a bigger room in the house eventually but not until i outgrow this space and the finances let me expand that far.

here are some pictures from today. ive decided im gonna leave the tied down like they are and just let the veg into the screen and fill it mostly THEN flip and maybe add another trellis if i need the support later.

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Do not take it the wrong way, No stress here. Just trying to help. Saw your hygrometer and see where the improvements could maybe be made in your temps/rh.

fyi,The humidty does not go up unless you have a sealed room with more plants and flowers. I also stated it may not be needed.

My room was very similar so you never know. I have intake exhaust and 20%rh, then in flower with sealed room went up to 70%. Did not think I needed a dehuey. So better safe than sorry to plan for it "just in case".

Not saying to get one. But if I planned to have the $$ set aside would have been less stressful.

I did not have the $$ at the time to get one so luckily I was able to borrow one.

My point was planning ahead when you go to sealed. When I build my sealed room I found that out the hard way so trying to help you have a smoother transition to sealed. I was also told c02 was a waste of time so was determined to prove otherwise.

So your thread reminded me of when I first started growing. After that run I have gotten gpw per 1k light on multiple lights and multiple runs.

I started with a similar room to you and later added ac. Was sharing what has worked for me. Each room is different so have to take that into consideration.

Looking forward to the results.
 
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yeah after much deliberation ive decided against the co2. i appreciate the input guys. im glad you all made me think this through, i think im gonna go get a humidifier instead. i totally see how i need to get my environment dialed in before i add the co2. i mean my environment is OKAY now but trying to add co2 is just gonna be a bitch to keep that way.
 
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Heres some pics from today. Looking at getting a humidifier soon. its stickin around 25% so i need to do something.

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so i gave them straight water today, first time since transplant. its been at LEAST five days and the soil was still a little wet, but it they still drank a lot. i just pulled the plants out. raised the screen on on end for now. made it much easier to get around. i dont think it will be too bad once they are spread out a little also...

RON DREAM is about 21" wide, 11" tall. lol. i fuckin love it.
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Older Blue Dream
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Younger Blue Dream
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Salmon Creek
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Afgan Goo
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Soul Train
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I was stoned and forgot to get pictures of the rest. lol... sorry... They are looking happy as shit, and healthy. Not a single bug problem yet. Im pretty happy.




As a side note, im starting to help out a clubs indoor crop, im hoping to learn a lot from the two guys running the show. they need someone to help transplant, water, and what not especially with the outdoor season coming. help with trimming, im extremely excited for the opportunity to be around the grow let alone help out... total lights split between two flower rooms are 17 1000's total. and a number of dual arcs in magnums for moms and veggers. to get an idea what im going to be working with on full time. sooooo excited. getting a lot of trust handed my way, still have a lot to learn though. just thought id share, so im sure youll see a lot of new changes in growing style influenced by the two heads ill be learning from within the next handful of months.
 
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That's a huge break, dude - you're lucky you're in a state where you can learn from other growers.

I tell ya, between the Internet and it being medical in a few states, you new guys almost have it too easy :P

Lol, I remember logging into cannabisculture.com over a decade ago with a dial up modem............lol, good times.
 
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I am gonna be watching, Hopefully learning something along the way... Peace
 
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Transplanted 300+ clones today at the collective. watered one of the flower rooms. i felt pretty cool... lol

anyways, my ladies are taking off. the loved the water... put some trays with water in them everywhere, brought the humidity way up. staying right at 50% and 80* now.

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Right on!! Good to see the humidity is helping.
Salmon Creek, did not see that one before :) Congrats on the new gig.

Look like you have gnats? I See the coated sticky trap. Done anything to try and get rid of the gnats?
 
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Right on!! Good to see the humidity is helping.
Salmon Creek, did not see that one before :) Congrats on the new gig.

Look like you have gnats? I See the coated sticky trap. Done anything to try and get rid of the gnats?

those traps are a run old... lol i havent seen much of anything flying around or in the soil this round yet...

just gave em two spray downs with azamax. nothing else but keep everything much more clean.

and im kinda at a loss to when i should lower the screen or what. they are getting really bushy and i see them taking over my room really quick but it still seems like they are not ready to flip but once they do i dont know how im gonna manage the stretch and the screen and all.

oh and leadsled that post where i said salmon creek, i think its two posts up, the picture under that is grape grape. i do have a salmon creek though (to my knowledge, i was handed a handfull of clones that were 3 different strains) it just wasnt pictured in that post.
 
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Lowered the screen last night, flipped and watered today.

room is really filling up...

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