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Pro tip, chloramine does not evaporate
I didn't go into detail about that, a great example of things I'm omitting to keep it simple for the first time grower.

Even if they  didnt let their water sit for 24 hours to evap the chlorine the plants will grow fine. Its not critical. They can learn about chloramine next semester.

Another great example you made is that is something  several experienced growers can come together and agree on 100%, like a mind hive. There leaves no doubt in our combined agreement and statement on the subject.

Maybe we could make a detailed tutorial about it. Everything from 'plants will grow fine either way' to 'this is how you remove chlorine, faster if you add a bubbler...this is how you deal with chloramine' to 'get the water from your tap tested or call your water company and find out what they use.'

Have there been any solid updates about chloramine? Last I heard it may dissipate or evap in 72 hours. I haven't found any truth to that. Maybe deeper researching will help me.
 
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I didn't go into detail about that, a great example of things I'm omitting to keep it simple for the first time grower.

Even if they  didnt let their water sit for 24 hours to evap the chlorine the plants will grow fine. Its not critical. They can learn about chloramine next semester.

Another great example you made is that is something  several experienced growers can come together and agree on 100%, like a mind hive. There leaves no doubt in our combined agreement and statement on the subject.

Maybe we could make a detailed tutorial about it. Everything from 'plants will grow fine either way' to 'this is how you remove chlorine, faster if you add a bubbler...this is how you deal with chloramine' to 'get the water from your tap tested or call your water company and find out what they use.'

Have there been any solid updates about chloramine? Last I heard it may dissipate or evap in 72 hours. I haven't found any truth to that. Maybe deeper researching will help me.
Most cities use chlorine anyways, but it’s a good thing to check because the water report will also show PH as well as any other solids, minerals or possible contaminants, I know you Ph I don’t, but that’s a debate topic lol so nothing we need here I used to but found I only was causing problems. Without it, perfect, but I do know my base PH I’m watering with, but regardless I think everyone should have a general knowledge on that (especially since it’s also your drinking water 😉)
 
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As has been mentioned before in this thread, new growers are overwhelmed. Us experienced guys can dial in our grow, perfectly, in one hour starting from scratch.

But, us experienced guys are really over doing it because it's easy for us. We don't even have to think about it. Even if it isn't perfect we know everything will be just fine.

So when a new grower asks us about humidity or temperature we tend to  always be precise even tho our grows rarely are. Im not saying its difficult for us but theres a decent ammount of effort that goes into making things perfect. 'What?' you say? It's easy right? For us. But new growers either can't afford special enviroment controls, don't know how often....blah, they spend so much time trying to make things perfect.

Things don't have to be perfect. I catch a lot of heat for saying humidity doesn't matter much for seedlings and after your seeds are in the medium ya don't have to even look at humidity till a month into flowering. That gives new growers less to worry about and it signals a time frame for when humidity becomes important, during flower. Then a dehumidifier is an easy fix, set it and forget it. So easy for new growers.

An example, as NGs (new growers) worry about high humidity for their seedlings, theyre getting leggy. When NGs expose them to air the seedling isn't even hardened so it flops around and needs to be braced. That's bad for NGs, starting right out with problems.

Why worry about humidity when it isn't critical ya know? Yet new growers will have a humidifier in their tent going full blast misting 3 week old plants. Why when they should have bought a UVc light instead...to ward off Powdery Mildew.
 
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Don't totally agree with you on humidity not being important during veg, but I do think people put more undue emphasis on it over learning the what and how of what they're doing.

I feel like some veteran growers exacerbate this by jumping on journals and telling new growers that the should have purchased this or that, and go off on how they do it instead of helping the new grower find a solution that works for them, thier finances, and their current setup.
 
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Don't totally agree with you on humidity not being important during veg, but I do think people put more undue emphasis on it over learning the what and how of what they're doing.

I feel like some veteran growers exacerbate this by jumping on journals and telling new growers that the should have purchased this or that, and go off on how they do it instead of helping the new grower find a solution that works for them, thier finances, and their current setup.
Literally use a bowl of water until they are big enough, works great.
 
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Don't totally agree with you on humidity not being important during veg
Agreed, but that's something that isn't critical to the plants survival. A NG could grow their whole veg without monitoring their humidity and be just fine. I would suggest an air scrubber with UVc instead of monitoring humidity.

Personally I don't let my humidity go over 65, I keep it around 60 in veg. If it goes lower...🤷🏽‍♂️
 
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Just thinking out loud because explaining humidity is kinda important. If we can agree on a bulletproof guideline through the plants life that should be good for NGs of all mediums. @2Water

Trying to keep it simple.

A dehumidifier and air scrubber with UVc should be essential items in a grow.
If they use UVc we can suggest setting their Dehumidifier at 60 from the day they pot and forget about it until a month into flower. If they don't use UVc the Dehumidifier should be set to 50 till a month into flower to ward off Powdery Mildew.

At a month flowering lower the dehumidifier to 45, two weeks later 40 for the rest of the plants life.

That's better huh? I think I can make a meme they can print and stick on a wall for easy reference. Any edits you can think of?
 
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Sorry, just going off on a tangent, but I think elder growers should focus on teaching new growers the hows and whys, not the whats.... if that makes sense. I think the big step new growers take, when becoming more comfortable, is finally understanding the plant and growing more. Too many people get it twisted that cannabis is just a plant like any other.... a goddamn weed, lol! Basic gardening practices and the "science" behind it all should always be the first step
 
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Just thinking out loud because explaining humidity is kinda important. If we can agree on a bulletproof guideline through the plants life that should be good for NGs of all mediums. @2Water

Trying to keep it simple.

A dehumidifier and air scrubber with UVc should be essential items in a grow.
If they use UVc we can suggest setting their Dehumidifier at 60 from the day they pot and forget about it until a month into flower. If they don't use UVc the Dehumidifier should be set to 50 till a month into flower to ward off Powdery Mildew.

At a month flowering lower the dehumidifier to 45, two weeks later 40 for the rest of the plants life.

That's better huh? I think I can make a meme they can print and stick on a wall for easy reference. Any edits you can think of?
Nice yes, essential disagree (depending on region). Most home growers aren't able to throw a ton of money at their hobby. A general understanding of VPD to promote healthy growth and the environment you're growing in before anything is bought.

Other than a general dehumidifier that is in my basement regardless I don't have one specific for the grow. I keep a manual thermometer/hygrometer in the tents and adjust accordingly. General temperature correlating to rh should try to be achieved but isn't completely necessary.

Think it would be good to compile a thread/list of the various charts explaining VPD to show ideal ranges for stage of growth and nutrients the plant is looking for a certain stage of growth can go a long way for most NGs
 
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Sorry, just going off on a tangent, but I think elder growers should focus on teaching new growers the hows and whys, not the whats.... if that makes sense. I think the big step new growers take, when becoming more comfortable, is finally understanding the plant and growing more. Too many people get it twisted that cannabis is just a plant like any other.... a goddamn weed, lol! Basic gardening practices and the "science" behind it all should always be the first step
That's what I'm trying to do. Basic at first. Just to get them through their first grow with minimum knowledge thrown at them. After that the fields wide open to explaine things in more detail.

Whatever you do, please do not watch this video... Post in thread 'Start Seeds hydroponics video low quality' https://www.thcfarmer.com/threads/start-seeds-hydroponics-video-low-quality.156692/post-3077340
 
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A general understanding of VPD to promote healthy growth and the environment you're growing in before anything is bought.
That's too much info for NGs. Just a general guideline made as simple as possible will work.

I agree more detailed enviroment explanation is good, just not for NGs. If we get a knowledge base maybe it can be in sections. One basic for NGs, one a little more advanced so those with a grow or two under their belt can feel comfortable tightening things up. And maybe an expert scientist section...
 
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That's too much info for NGs. Just a general guideline made as simple as possible will work.

I agree more detailed enviroment explanation is good, just not for NGs. If we get a knowledge base maybe it can be in sections. One basic for NGs, one a little more advanced so those with a grow or two under their belt can feel comfortable tightening things up. And maybe an expert scientist section...
That's what I mean by general, I don't expect a NG to dial it in perfectly. But having that information to look at and get reassurance of @ 75f / 60% rh in veg. I'm in range for healthy growth
Or @82f / 60% rh in veg I'm ok but need to make and adjustment to get back on track.

Probably just the way I operate in general though, coaching sports for example, I don't just want the kids to throw the ball, but to understand why they should throw it a certain way
 
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That's what I mean by general, I don't expect a NG to dial it in perfectly. But having that information to look at and get reassurance of @ 75f / 60% rh in veg. I'm in range for healthy growth
Or @82f / 60% rh in veg I'm ok but need to make and adjustment to get back on track.

Probably just the way I operate in general though, coaching sports for example, I don't just want the kids to throw the ball, but to understand why they should throw it a certain way
You're chatting with some that's been coached well so I understand exactly what you're saying, mechanics.

Imagine starting growers out in the peewee league, learning the basics. Next season we can tighten up their game and explain more. The point is to get them to successfully finish their first season.

You may not know how confusing growing is for a lot of people. To us it's cake. It's taken me a few years to understand how easy I have to make a grow tutorial. Even when I help NGs today I gotta stop myself and make it easy.

In my grow room I just made a video of me sowing my popped seeds in rockwool. The humidity was 36% because it's dry outside. My seedlings will sit in that 36% humidity till it goes up naturally. The point I'm trying to make, for NGs, is they don't have to stress about humidity, like you said, give them parameters but also let them know not to worry about it so if the humidity drops they're not stressing out and running here for help 'my humidity is 40% are my plants going to die?'
 
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This totally, it's so easy to try and tweak or remedy one thing by adjusting one parameter, then another and another until you have no idea what's affecting what (so many variables!)

Keep It Simple and subsequently vaguely in range to start with and you'll be good! Can get more detailed/technical in later grows.
 
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Here's an example of how/why we can simplify things for NGs.

These seeds were under 100% humidity for 5 days. I put them in the rockwool yesterday and left uncovered at 35% humidity. Earlier today it was 39% and a few hours later it crept up into the 40s. Not ideal but do you see a problem?

Now if I was to tell a NG to keep the humidity high, cover them with a dome, the seedling will grow and neglect the roots causing leggy seedlings. Now the NG may have problems with floppy plants, problem with keeping the humidity just right, and now they gotta harden them off. I don't know about you but I hate hardening plants off. It's not hard but if you get caught slipping hardening off isn't so easy, there's a delicate balance there, why put NGs through that? I know what I'm doing and I don't want to mess with any of that stuff ya know? Why burden them?

We can eliminate humidity talk for 90% of NGs and let them know they won't have to worry about humidity till a month into flowering. Nice and easy, set your dehumidifier to 55 on day one (because it's usually close enough to 60 when it kicks on) and forget about it till a month into flowering.

That's how I roll, I don't put effort into humidity till a month into flowering. I know I sound crazy but the proof is in the puddin. How much more extreme can I get with abusing seedlings to get people to understand that humidity isn't that important?

Everywhere I look I see humidity abuse, even humidifiers in tents with fully veggies plants. So much effort and money is spent on humidity cluttering up grow tents with humidity equipment. It's really determental a lot of the times.

I get it tho, humidity, as simple as it is, gets a lot of attention. It's relatively easy, NGs feel accomplished and proud when they get their humidity just right. Kinda like a badge of honor.
 
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