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Living Soil is the way!

This year 📅, Found some 🔥 Fish Compost 🐟👨‍🌾 over at BaS , Called Olly Mountain. Feed Microbes!

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Yep! Love build a soil, basically slowly buying a bit of everything 🤣

The 2 to 1 dominion blend + light recipe I’m running in the 30’s is killin it, gunna do a full heavy reamend and cover crop it for a month or so before replanting I think
 
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Desolve epson salt in your pump sprayer. I’ve top dressed my bed with epson salt. Don’t get me wrong I keep it to very small amounts.
Oh I’m not opposed to it, just wanna see how the whole system runs the build a soil way, I gotta say, Jeremy don’t lie haha, the soils got it right out the bag till harvest, I coulda fed much heavier than I did but stayed light

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Craft blend
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But in the 3x3 after the kahuna 2 run in there imma loosen up the restrictions I’m giving myself to use and experiment with in the 12 gallon, if I like what I see in a full run I’ll begin to implement into the 30’s

It’s already a Custom blend using light recipe + peat + worm castings, did a full new amend with craft blend and other amendments above plus cover cropped

Now that I think about it I’ve only been posting this tent in its own dedicated topic but I hadn’t added it in here, the full smart controlled spiderfarmer 3x3, or soon, my experiment tent 😜 was an unexpected addition and I have my main 3 spots but hey, why not lol
 
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Quick question on living soil we know it feeds the whole time since the feeds mixed in the soil my question is when does the fertilizer leave the soil so when do you start to flush your buds of the fertilizer that was used their whole growth

Last question have you ever had these buds tested to see how clean they are cuz I don't see how they couldn't be full of chemicals

Anybody to answer would be grateful personally myself I would never grow like this or or autoflower just a waste of time to me if I can't get a pound and a half a plant waste of time
 
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Quick question on living soil we know it feeds the whole time since the feeds mixed in the soil my question is when does the fertilizer leave the soil so when do you start to flush your buds of the fertilizer that was used their whole growth

Last question have you ever had these buds tested to see how clean they are cuz I don't see how they couldn't be full of chemicals

Anybody to answer would be grateful personally myself I would never grow like this or or autoflower just a waste of time to me if I can't get a pound and a half a plant waste of time
With living soil you don’t need to flush. I personal think it yeilds better than synthetic grows and the flavor is crazy.
 
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Quick question on living soil we know it feeds the whole time since the feeds mixed in the soil my question is when does the fertilizer leave the soil so when do you start to flush your buds of the fertilizer that was used their whole growth

Last question have you ever had these buds tested to see how clean they are cuz I don't see how they couldn't be full of chemicals

Anybody to answer would be grateful personally myself I would never grow like this or or autoflower just a waste of time to me if I can't get a pound and a half a plant waste of time
It’s not fed the whole time. It takes time to break the organic material down. No chemicals are put in the soil. Only things that go in are organic compounds that are broken down by microorganisms, insects, worms to make the compounds plant available. It’s the most natural clean way to grow. You don’t need to flush because the plant is only taking what it needs where when you use bottles you are basically forcing the plant to take those nutrients up. And those nutrients were made plant available in a lab somewhere mixed with water and shipped to you.
 
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It’s not fed the whole time. It takes time to break the organic material down. No chemicals are put in the soil. Only things that go in are organic compounds that are broken down by microorganisms, insects, worms to make the compounds plant available. It’s the most natural clean way to grow. You don’t need to flush because the plant is only taking what it needs where when you use bottles you are basically forcing the plant to take those nutrients up. And those nutrients were made plant available in a lab somewhere mixed with water and shipped to you.
End of day your organic becomes magnesium and sulphur and npk .... soo its the same as synthetic you just have extra stuff from bacteria like some acids and who knows what.
 
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Quick question on living soil we know it feeds the whole time since the feeds mixed in the soil my question is when does the fertilizer leave the soil so when do you start to flush your buds of the fertilizer that was used their whole growth

Last question have you ever had these buds tested to see how clean they are cuz I don't see how they couldn't be full of chemicals

Anybody to answer would be grateful personally myself I would never grow like this or or autoflower just a waste of time to me if I can't get a pound and a half a plant waste of time
Im full of chemicals, youre full of chemicals, plants are full of chemicals in the wild too, its no all harmful chemicals, most of them are part of how we work, everything alive contains chemicals needed to survive. Ideally you use a recipe to build a soil so you know that theyre not gonna have too much food or the soil is not gonna be saturated difficulting nutrient intake. If you prepare your substrate 3 weeks prior to use, the plants can uptake nutrients from the start, but if youre gonna plant from seed you might wanna prepare it the day before so the nutes start becoming more available towards the end of veg.
 
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End of day your organic becomes magnesium and sulphur and npk .... soo its the same as synthetic you just have extra stuff from bacteria like some acids and who knows what.
True, once its ready to be taken by the plant its just bassically nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium. But there are major differences in synthetic compared to organic when it comes to whats inside the fertilizers besides the NPK. Here is a list of things you will most likely not find in synthetic nutrients that come inside organic and sometimes bio-mineral nutrients:

Vitamins: your plant produces them themselves but supplementing vitamins is always a good idea. In the wild, they have them, with synthetics they dont.

Humic and fulvic acids: improves root growth, good soil conditioners (improves the quality of the soil for the roots), improves nutrient uptake, reinforces plant inmune system, they act as ph buffers (they interact with acidic and alkaline compounds to regulate ph), and also work as nutrient buffers.

L-Aminoacids: synthetics use aminoacids made in a lab, theyre not L-aminoacids but rather D-aminoacids which the plants do not absorb as easily and they have less use for them too.

Natural plant hormones: they regulate plant metabolism and help speed things up, plants can also take more nutrients. You can use synthetic hormones but they will give you weird sponge like buds and theyre carcinogens.

Kelp is the superfood that brings most of them but theyre also present in many other organic ammendments, its just that kelp is the most complete one in terms of micronutrients and supplements. All organic lines that I know have kelp in either the base NPK or supplements, or even both.

I could keep going but I think you get the idea, if I make a complete list of things that you miss on using synthetics the post would be so very long.

I dont hate synthetics, sometimes less is better and for hydro theyre clutch but I dont smoke weed that is not organic anymore, I just like it better but thats a matter of personal preference too.
 
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@Mikedin are you gonna lollipop the one in the 3x3 a bit? She is looking great and super healthy but I think removing stuff that is in the dark will evolve in better buds. I dont know when you lollipop thats why I ask, I usually lollipop after they stretch in flower, usually around the 3rd week. I think that lollipoping before flower is a bit risky because the plant will stretch even more in early flower. Thats why I lollipop even autos in flower and not in veg, autos can get really thin and tall otherwise.
 
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True, once its ready to be taken by the plant its just bassically nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium. But there are major differences in synthetic compared to organic when it comes to whats inside the fertilizers besides the NPK. Here is a list of things you will most likely not find in synthetic nutrients that come inside organic and sometimes bio-mineral nutrients:

Vitamins: your plant produces them themselves but supplementing vitamins is always a good idea. In the wild, they have them, with synthetics they dont.

Humic and fulvic acids: improves root growth, good soil conditioners (improves the quality of the soil for the roots), improves nutrient uptake, reinforces plant inmune system, they act as ph buffers (they interact with acidic and alkaline compounds to regulate ph), and also work as nutrient buffers.

L-Aminoacids: synthetics use aminoacids made in a lab, theyre not L-aminoacids but rather D-aminoacids which the plants do not absorb as easily and they have less use for them too.

Natural plant hormones: they regulate plant metabolism and help speed things up, plants can also take more nutrients. You can use synthetic hormones but they will give you weird sponge like buds and theyre carcinogens.

Kelp is the superfood that brings most of them but theyre also present in many other organic ammendments, its just that kelp is the most complete one in terms of micronutrients and supplements. All organic lines that I know have kelp in either the base NPK or supplements, or even both.

I could keep going but I think you get the idea, if I make a complete list of things that you miss on using synthetics the post would be so very long.

I dont hate synthetics, sometimes less is better and for hydro theyre clutch but I dont smoke weed that is not organic anymore, I just like it better but thats a matter of personal preference too.
i never even heard of L and D aminoacids you sent me in to a rabbit hole.
yea your totally right i mean its like comparing rosin to a fresh bud.
 
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i never even heard of L and D aminoacids you sent me in to a rabbit hole.
yea your totally right i mean its like comparing rosin to a fresh bud.
I made a quick google search to make sure my information is not outdated because Im going just from memory and apparently there's a way now to synthetize L-aminoacids but is really costly compared to synthetizing D-aminoacids as the process in involved in making L-aminoacids results in an equal ammount of D- and L- aminoacids so they have to separate them and its not easy. Anyway, I would recommend looking the exact composition before buying any synthetic to make sure they do contain L-aminoacids, because when I was using synthetics years ago most of them didnt contain any at all, not D nor L. Much less all the benefits that kelp and other organic ammendments have like vitamins.
Also D-Aminoacids are found in plants too, including weed, its just that the roots have a harder time absorving them and L-aminoacids are way superior and in more demand by the plant. I believe, and Im going from memory now again, that microorganisms produce some D-aminoacids that the plant can use but in terms of supplements theyre a thing of the past.
 
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Desolve epson salt in your pump sprayer. I’ve top dressed my bed with epson salt. Don’t get me wrong I keep it to very small amounts.
I use to use Epsom salt (magnesium sulfate) on every grow, then I realized that the dry amendments (Craft Blend, Gaia Green, etc) I was using had enough. Works if your in a pinch. I like that pump sprayer idea. With the sulfates I learned that as soon as they touch water, the molecules separate, you have straight magnesium and straight sulphur as a feed. They're not bound together when suspended in water. I think Gypsum works the same way, they are readily available on the initial feed , no break down needed.
 
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I made a quick google search to make sure my information is not outdated because Im going just from memory and apparently there's a way now to synthetize L-aminoacids but is really costly compared to synthetizing D-aminoacids as the process in involved in making L-aminoacids results in an equal ammount of D- and L- aminoacids so they have to separate them and its not easy. Anyway, I would recommend looking the exact composition before buying any synthetic to make sure they do contain L-aminoacids, because when I was using synthetics years ago most of them didnt contain any at all, not D nor L. Much less all the benefits that kelp and other organic ammendments have like vitamins.
Also D-Aminoacids are found in plants too, including weed, its just that the roots have a harder time absorving them and L-aminoacids are way superior and in more demand by the plant. I believe, and Im going from memory now again, that microorganisms produce some D-aminoacids that the plant can use but in terms of supplements theyre a thing of the past.
One key factor that I learned (last week, from a book) is that synthetic nutes pass through the soil and are only absorbed at the root level on that said passing, organic feeds sit and stay in the soil and hang out at the root level ...big difference.
 
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End of day your organic becomes magnesium and sulphur and npk .... soo its the same as synthetic you just have extra stuff from bacteria like some acids and who knows what.
Yup, the plant can then decide what it wants to consume, living soil is like a buffet for the plant it can pick and choose what it wants and needs. Synthetics is like desert, give it a big piece of cheesecake and there might be enough of what it needs in that piece of cake to keep on growing but it’s definitely missing out on other non essentials that make it healthier. As mentioned above.
 
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Yup, the plant can then decide what it wants to consume, living soil is like a buffet for the plant it can pick and choose what it wants and needs. Synthetics is like desert, give it a big piece of cheesecake and there might be enough of what it needs in that piece of cake to keep on growing but it’s definitely missing out on other non essentials that make it healthier. As mentioned above.
Well... thats not totally true. You can certainly burn your plants in organic if you use too much of one ammendment or with liquid organic ferts. The thing with organic and it has to do with what @Week4Bytch just mentioned is that the soil has more nutrient buffers and the nutrients release slower over time but you cant just go and mix a bunch of ammendments in the soil thinking the plants will take them only when they need them. Thats not the case because if the water is saturated with nutrients they will drink it anyway and get burned. In the US I see that there are several brands to choose from with blends where the ammendments have been meassured for you, but if you were given one bag of each ammendment and told to do it yourself, you would most likely put too little or too much of several ammendments unless you look for recipes online.
EDIT: Source, my grows, I have burnt them more than once after top dressing for example. Or made a soil too hot for seedlings. With organic liquid ferts is more noticeable since they have stuff to help intake to not rely only on microorganisms.
 
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Let me put it another way, nutrient buffers cant hold an infinite ammount of nutrients. Excess nutrients that cant be buffered and become water soluble wether because youre using a liquid fert or because your organisms eat and shit, will be drinked with the water. There's also the problem of saturating the soil which will difficult nutrient uptake (specially with too much calcium), unproper soil structure and unoptimal PH (not so much with ammendments but certainly with liquid organic ferts, fermented plant solutions tend to be low on PH, and other supplements, and you might need a ph up). Because again, PH buffers will help you but it you keep puting water that is too acidic they dont have an infinite capability of keeping the PH stable, they are of huge help but also have their limits. Also the PH isnt gonna get balanced instantly, you can still burn the roots and kill microorganisms.
 
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