Moving light rather than generating light

[AngeRBizcuTT480]

Yea seems like if a cable capable of moving the right light at the right wavelength would have to exist to make it work but I don't see why basic tech can't handle the rest? Like let's say we could move light in the necessary quantities and types, wouldn't adjusting the input/ output par wise be a matter of minute mechanical adjustments that can easily be handled by most CPU systems? I def understand the cost to efficiency issue but the quality of light would be next to none aswell right? But I'm assuming sunlight is the gold standard....the same would go for the light collection aswell in my mind anyways, who says we need direct 90° angles? If we could hit a minimum par on the far end of quality light thru a system that magnifies and adjusts the beam while transporting it we could def "make due" with indirect light the only issue I really see is storing sunlight... If we had the tech ...but that would technically be free energy right ?lol

 

[N1ghtL1ght]

One thing is for certain, we need much more suncollectors in the future being it by plants or our photocells. Right now sunbeams heat our roofs which could be a vegetable garden instead. Some modern cities - Singapore etc - already design houses with the green.
And we have huge deserts perfectly fit for solar and wind turbine power generators, just harness that power and distribute it.

 

[sardonicus]

storing sunlight would certainly be a trick wouldnt it. Though I dont see a need to adjust the light manually, if you were to plant outdoors in an area that gets full sun the plants would just get what they get. I am guessing with indirect light like this the focus will be getting as much of that light as possible to the area and making sure it is diffuse enough to not burn anything. Sadly my meter doesnt do par, only footcandles and lux, but experiments have been done that make a loose correlation between sufficient light for growing and footcandles. High light plants require 150+ footcandles of light, medium 75-150, and low 25 - 75. I can't confirm these values definitively right now but its a good place to start.

The idea of a green roof is quite interesting, most of what i have seen uses large groups of small succulents to cover the roof. I think doing a vegetable garden on a traditionally built house could be tricky though. I am not overly fond of heights either lol

 

[AngeRBizcuTT480]

I was thinking how to transport sunlight effectively to places that don't get sunlight lol like inside,underground or in a canyon in a cost efficient way that moves light rather then generate it. I'm not convinced the the cost effect isn't worth it if we don't have to generate the light long term but idk just a stoned dude an a cool idea to think about,a cable like the one mentioned could be very valuable. You should patent this idea OP asap

 

[sardonicus]

I was thinking how to transport sunlight effectively to places that don't get sunlight lol like inside,underground or in a canyon in a cost efficient way that moves light rather then generate it. I'm not convinced the the cost effect isn't worth it if we don't have to generate the light long term but idk just a stoned dude an a cool idea to think about,a cable like the one mentioned could be very valuable. You should patent this idea OP asap

Sadly the idea isnt mine to patent lol, there is a company called parans that makes these commercially for lighting underground structures and buildings without windows. I think I read somewhere the parans systems start at like 5000 dollars. you can google fiber optic sunlight collector though and see a video of some french guy building one to give you an idea how they work and what parts are involved if you wanted to have a go at it yourself sometime.

 

[AngeRBizcuTT480]

Ok I see,just read it above,I will def check that out. Seems someone is already on it

 

[AngeRBizcuTT480]

Ok I see,just read it above,I will def check that out. Seems someone is already on it

Plus I'm no tech guy,I can only imagine the laws and mechanics going on here,that's why I asked before cause its hard to think humans are that damn good fr. With skillz like that I guess it makes up for our short comings. I'm gonna check this French guy out tho thanks for responding guys.

 

[sardonicus]

Thats one of the great things about technology, you dont really need to understand it all to experiment with it. Often times just a basic understanding of how a thing works is enough to play with it. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt, sometimes it sets something on fire lol as long as you learn something from it and didnt die its a win, and its fun. You'd be surprised how simple things can be

 

[Blastfact]

In some ways sun light is like water. You can't compress water or sun light easily. Both need to be changed to make them some what compressible. Sun light decays with distance and time as water evaporates. We can focus/condense light like we can make pressure to move water but it takes energy. Moving water we expend the energy on the front end with a pump, water wheel, ect. ect. With light energy we lose the energy it's self at the end of the process. Because of the process and the decay that happens to light. To preserve light energy and move it efficiently we would need to compress it. What happens when you try and compress water. Shit explodes be it psi through mechanical means or heat energy like steam. And when you compress light energy you change it's spectrum/wave length to something we can not use to grow a plant. Once it's compressed the wave lengths we need are destroyed. Microwaves, xrays and that sort of energy is no good to a pot farmer. Or any farmer for that matter. We have no tech to do this pretty much at any level right now and it's still way out. Now we have came a long way with super conductivity and other tech that will help with light energy tech. But over all it's still just a pipe dream. It's in the same vein as perpetual motion. While we have working examples of perpetual motion it can not power anything,,,, you can't do anything with it. The same laws of physics apply to light energy transportation in a nutshell and way over my head. And while there are a scant few showing examples of light energy transport. None are truly functional. Just enclose your porch and turn it into a grow room and get on with it.

 

[sardonicus]

That is an interesting perspective, though with a lack of people actually trying this for the purpose of plant growing and making their experiences available the notion that it would not work is simply speculation. Even if it didnt work like I want, having built it, I would be certain. With that in mind, when I get to build it, good bad or underwhelming I would share my results.

 

[AngeRBizcuTT480]

In some ways sun light is like water. You can't compress water or sun light easily. Both need to be changed to make them some what compressible. Sun light decays with distance and time as water evaporates. We can focus/condense light like we can make pressure to move water but it takes energy. Moving water we expend the energy on the front end with a pump, water wheel, ect. ect. With light energy we lose the energy it's self at the end of the process. Because of the process and the decay that happens to light. To preserve light energy and move it efficiently we would need to compress it. What happens when you try and compress water. Shit explodes be it psi through mechanical means or heat energy like steam. And when you compress light energy you change it's spectrum/wave length to something we can not use to grow a plant. Once it's compressed the wave lengths we need are destroyed. Microwaves, xrays and that sort of energy is no good to a pot farmer. Or any farmer for that matter. We have no tech to do this pretty much at any level right now and it's still way out. Now we have came a long way with super conductivity and other tech that will help with light energy tech. But over all it's still just a pipe dream. It's in the same vein as perpetual motion. While we have working examples of perpetual motion it can not power anything,,,, you can't do anything with it. The same laws of physics apply to light energy transportation in a nutshell and way over my head. And while there are a scant few showing examples of light energy transport. None are truly functional. Just enclose your porch and turn it into a grow room and get on with it.

Yes I have been trying to read up on this topic in between work n chores,from what I've read so far is that yes Blastfact is correct. The tech to do what I have specified in previous posts does not exist as of now. Many variations that do similar things have made it to market and have gathered some attention,but in a real world way the cable spoken of doesn't exist and is a long way off. Blastfact hit the nail with the cause for lack of development despite so much interest, once sunlight is compressed,sped up or changed in anyway it stops being sunlight. Aside from that other issues arise that got mentioned earlier, like atmospheric conditions and a cost/efficiency issue that permanently couches the whole idea in a recreational perspective. It looks like a functioning version of our idea is a long long way off.......I still very much enjoyed the thought experiment and the compounding of ideas from everyone. I guess our crude multi-mirror grow is as good as it gets for now lol.....also Blastfact this was just a basic thought experiment/discussion,

 

[AngeRBizcuTT480]

Hey bro Blastfact ,I know this thread is long dead lol but look at this ....https://www.instructables.com/How-to-build-a-SOLAR-BOTTLE-BULB/
Looks like the combination of water chlorine and bleach can possibly solve the refraction and spec dialing that we needed to make this work? What you guys think ? Could moving light thru a cable with this in it potentially solve our issues here I really been thinking about this since our Convo lmao