Mr Canucks grows...,does he really just use dry amendments?

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Mrgreendab1

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Yea, I got mine, and some happy soon-to-be-flipped girls are vegging imperiously in it!

It took a little while, and I did have to call after a few weeks before I got the invoice, but ultimately they did send the samples - I got the sense they were compiling some number of requests and processing in mass.
Makes sense. Do you have photos to share with the class?
 
Vesti Bule

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Makes sense. Do you have photos to share with the class?

Sure - here's a couple. Hard to distinguish, but three Purple Moby Dick (Dinafem) clones on the left side, and four Kosher Kush (Garden of Green) from seed on the right. Probably will re-situate with KK in a separate flowering space and flip this weekend or next.
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KK with broom for reference, not putting her to work or anything so exploitive
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dirtyoldman

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That's a nice freebee given that they charge
I sent in request...have you gotten yours or have you gotten email with invoice? Would be cool to know if it’s legit! One step closer towards my first grow if I can get it.
I tried to Google a link for that and couldn't find it. That would be a nice freebee but I would want to buy the other one and ship them both at the same time.
 
Vesti Bule

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That's a nice freebee given that they charge

I tried to Google a link for that and couldn't find it. That would be a nice freebee but I would want to buy the other one and ship them both at the same time.

I included a link in an earlier post, check the previous page - that should get you there.
 
dirtyoldman

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I included a link in an earlier post, check the previous page - that should get you there.
Wow, I'm getting a 4lb bag of both and only pay $13 shipping. I grow with (5) five-gallon pots. How far would these two bags take me with that? I was interested in organic growing before but I am inexperienced at indoor organic growing and there are so many methods. And people dealing with gnats. It made me dizzy reading about it. But using these dry amendments seems pretty simple and a possible money savings over time is attractive. What do you think about continuing to use FF's Big Bloom in addition since it is earthworm castings and bat guano? Would it be feasible to use Pro Mix Myco instead of Coco? I have a lot of Pro-mix already stocked. I would hope the ph differential would not make a difference between the two mediums. And I wouldn't need to buy perlite. What should the soil moisture meter read when growing organically in pots? That is information I've been unable to find on the internet.
 
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I included a link in an earlier post, check the previous page - that should get you there.
The link you posted worked. I submitted
Wow, I'm getting a 4lb bag of both and only pay $13 shipping. I grow with (5) five-gallon pots. How far would these two bags take me with that? I was interested in organic growing before but I am inexperienced at indoor organic growing and there are so many methods. And people dealing with gnats. It made me dizzy reading about it. But using these dry amendments seems pretty simple and a possible money savings over time is attractive. What do you think about continuing to use FF's Big Bloom in addition since it is earthworm castings and bat guano? Would it be feasible to use Pro Mix Myco instead of Coco? I have a lot of Pro-mix already stocked. I would hope the ph differential would not make a difference between the two mediums. And I wouldn't need to buy perlite. What should the soil moisture meter read when growing organically in pots? That is information I've been unable to find on the internet.
I signed up for that sample myself. If seems like a little goes a long way based on their feeding schedule online. Also, Is pro mix good? Have a shit ton left from our veggie greenhouse, but i think it may have been the source of our gnats and spider mites
 
SeriusB

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Oh man I have tried to watch others, can’t do it. Unless I just haven’t dug deep enough yet to find someone who, despite several people whining about not knowing how he grows in coco....if you pay attention you hear what he’s doing, is as good as he is with the videos. I want to insulate his grow as close as I can...it is proving very difficult to get some of the same amendments because of shipping costs. So I have had to do some digging...I can’t wait to get my first grow in and share with y’all!

Try Kaligrownbudz on YouTube. He’s the man.
 
Coronado_organics

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This is the guy I watch the most. If you watch all the seed to harvest vids you can piece together his “recipe “. You’re right though it isn’t just amendments...he mixes in other things when he builds the coco into soil. Adding in worm castings is his biggest tip for building that soil so that all you have to do is amend and water with ph between 6 and 6.5
Yeah well it works I started growing his way because it seemed very hands off and as lo g as you get the food to the plants in a timely manner your good the other thing to consider as well is the potency of the light. He has really good light for his size tents. The only thing I did differently was I use reverse osmosis water I don’t even PH it and I get some strong dense ass flowers every time and it’s great because it 10000000% organic
 
Mrgreendab1

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Yeah well it works I started growing his way because it seemed very hands off and as lo g as you get the food to the plants in a timely manner your good the other thing to consider as well is the potency of the light. He has really good light for his size tents. The only thing I did differently was I use reverse osmosis water I don’t even PH it and I get some strong dense ass flowers every time and it’s great because it 10000000% organic

since I have joined this forum I have dove into all different levels of research read hours of pages and watched hours of videos and now I have a much better knowledge of how the nutrients work and so now I know more about NPK how the root system works how the nutrients can be blocked I have even come to find out that you can transition the plant into fall and make it produce more resin by giving it ice water towards the end of flowering as your flush and even at the very end of it give it actual ice on top of the medium and a couple days of darkness
 
CaptainKhronik

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Nice! Down to Earth has treated me well. I'll be buying more of their line for my next run (only have 4-4-4 and 4-8-4 currently) and upgrading to a 2x4 and a Kingbrite 240w QB. The only thing that's still boggling me is being able to tell when the plant needs water as I mentioned in a previous post. I think I'm getting the hang of it a bit but definitely have let it get too dry multiple times.
Just finished my first indoor cycle. Long time gardener, learning to grow cannabis.
I suggest more frequent observations of your girls could be helpful- I found my autos(coco/vermicompost/Earth Dust) needing h2o 2X/day last few weeks of flower. onitor your airflow and RH to avoid PM/botrytis issues. Measure inputs, take notes. Observe more.
I use DTE outdoors because they've been used by and trusted by gardeners for decades.
 
RealizedReal000

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This is by far the easiest method I’ve tried. I was used to soil grow before but now I won’t do anything else. The terps have by far been the best part. They seem to be so much more better tasting this way.
 
Losp89

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Watched like 5 mins to see what you were saying. He is adding amendments that contain NPK and all needed nutrients.

Coco is a fantastic media for microbes. Highly oxygenated and tons of surface area. I would imagine unlike ppl growing in coco with inorganic nutrients he is not watering with high runoff. IMO this would be one of the best ways to grow organic since it provides such good conditions for microbes.

So I would say yes not just possible but more than likely and almost positively just amendments that he adds.
I'm a little late on this, but I just finished my first grow following his method. I only used Dr. Earth's dry amendments and some earthworm castings and did pretty well. I only used molasses with water a few times during veg. Other than that I just watered it with Ph'd water. I had a Jack in a 5 gallon pot and a Big Blue Cheese in a 3 gallon pot. 3 oz off the jack and 2 oz of the blue cheese. I believe my LED is 220 - 240 W. And I had a pretty good spider mite problem that definitely slowed the plants down.
I'm a little late on this, but I just finished my first grow following his method. I only used Dr. Earth's dry amendments and some earthworm castings and did pretty well. I only used molasses with water a few times during veg. Other than that I just watered it with Ph'd water. I had a Jack in a 5 gallon pot and a Big Blue Cheese in a 3 gallon pot. 3 oz off the jack and 2 oz of the blue cheese. I believe my LED is 220 - 240 W. And I had a pretty good spider mite problem that definitely slowed the plants down.
Sup guys and girls...well ive been watching some of Mr Canucks vids on YT and I just cant get my head around the claim that he just uses dry amendments...I mean your plants and buds can surely not get that big and fat just by eating some dry ammendments.I mean where does all the nitrogen etc come from,where does all the potassium and phosphorous come from to feed those sized buds,surely they are raping ppm?Coco in itself has no microbes so wouldn't they need a long time to build up in that medium etc? Its a coco grow so how does the plant survive on just dry amendments?he says he ph his water and thats all thats given but from the size of the buds etc i have a hard time believing that dry amendments alone with the coco/perlite give off such big colas or am I missing something?Even looking at the pots all i see is coco perlite nothing else?Maybe someone can clarify
Gaia Green Organics dry amendments and PhD water plants age ranges from 3-5 weeks old
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Dirttrack

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What do you guys think about using the same ratio as Gaia green with the dr earth? They recommend 2tbsp per gallon as where GG says 4. Is that because Gaia is made and heard more for hydro or is it that dr earth is geared to tomatoes and vegetable gardens and it would be perfectly fine to go up two more tbsp
Dr earth has put instructions on the net for medical plants.
 
FiveFingerDadPunch

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thanks Od,so in your opinion do u reckon he lets his mix of amendments and coco build up over a period to build up the microbe life and then use it or u think its a fresh mix he uses?tbh i never realised how potent some simple dry ammendments could be in a generally speaking coco grow using just phed water
Its not the amendments being potent. Look cannabis needs actually very little nutes. Not that diff from us, nutrients only support bodily(or in this case plant function). The plants eat light though, that is there food. So it works like this;
1. Coco & perlite or whatever aeration used creates a near perfect environment for microbial life to bloom. Idk where this idea about it taking a long time to colonize a 3-7 gallon pot of coco with microbial life comes from, but it is incorrect. This is one of the easiest environments to grow microbial life in my friend. It is inert, it is excellent at staying moist without being 'wet', it has a very HIGH amount of oxygen & surface area. If you add microbes(even just a little bit) and food for them(in this case dry amendments) then keep the medium moist then you will have colonization in no time! Microbes grow fast.
2. No need to let it get 'hot' because it wont, however when you use it is up to you. If you think you need some time to build up microbial life then thats fine. Amend your coco & water it for a week or 2 before planting in(or plant right in as again microbes bloom fast)
3. Although microbes will occur anyway as they are literally everywhere, you are still going to want to start off with as many beneficial microbes as possible. The best way to do this is with teas/worm castings. Using kelp/castings/and compost is going to really get things going fast. From there you will want to just focus on caring for the microbes. As they bloom they will eat the dry amendments, then they will multiply, then they die. When they die they leave behind a plant ready smaller version of whatever nutrients they have been eating(You are what you eat lol). This is how microbes 'feed' plants. By feed I mean provide nutes btw.
4. As this is a coco coir/hydro grow you will almost for certain need to utilize some calmag. Simple really.
5. Plants need 3 things. Food=light/health=nutrition/shelter=stable, friendly environment. Growers focus too much on trying to give higher & higher amounts of nutes thinking that its food, thinking that higher nutrients means more food which means more growth, but it's not the case. It's common and I had the same problem for a while before I learned a better way. Feed the microbes/ farm the microbes and in return they will give you everything you want...and not just from cannabis but any plant!

P.S All plants have a relationship with microbes. Some rely more on bacteria while some rely more on fungi. The size of the plant generally determines which. Small plants like legumes prefer a highly bacterial dominant medium while bigger plants likes trees need fungal dominance. Cannabis is kind of in the middle as it utilizes both. Both have the ability to eat & break down or 'free' up trapped nutrients, however between the 2 fungi is stronger. It eats faster therefor it frees up nutrients faster. Cannabis prefers a bacterial dominant soil in veg & a fungal dominant soil in flower. Give a bacterial dominant tea in veg to achieve a slow stream of nutes throughout the plants life, then make a fungal dominant tea for when you flip to flower.
Also as compost & earthworm casting as actually super low in nutes you can give them teas up to once a week with no problem. So the thought that there would be a lack of microbial life in coco coir is really dependent on the grower and has nothing to do with coco itself. If you can't grow microbes in coco then you will likely struggle to grow them anywhere(with the exception of 50+ gallon soil because with that volume of soil the microbial population is going to work independent/despite anything a grower might do wrong). There is also molasses lol. Don't over use it as the microbes will be eating the simple sugar before it would eat the dry amendments but if you are worried about microbial population then an occasional watering with molasses will ensure there are plenty of microbes. You just need to then let them go back to eating the dry amendments.
The lesson is that its truly is ALL ABOUT THE MICROBES. Ive seen ppl use fox farms ocean forest(a very hot highly loaded soil with in my opinion too much nutes) and have terrible results and Ive seen ppl use low amounts slow release nutes in highly microbial active soil with nothing but water and have incredible plants. In fact most ppl overuse nutrients because they think that more nutes=more or better cannabis. This isn't the case though.
Nothing can beat the nutrient cycle though in my opinion. Building soil is the way to go, but that isn't easy for everyone. For me a living soil(not coco coir)/cover crop that always keeps my mycorrhizae colonies alive/big redworm population to eat my 'green manure'(thats the cover crop when I trim it down & cover it with a half inch layer of compost) works great and as I keep this cycle going...
1. I top dress & plant cover crop
2. plant my cannabis seedling
3. bacterial compost tea early in veg
4. chop & drop the cover crop, then add dry amendments(half all purpose half bloom), then top that with about a half an inch of compost(I use Coasts of Maine lobster compost).
5. I do # 4 a week before flipping to flower to give worms/bacteria/& fungi time to eat the chop & drop & amendments and turn them into castings, then flip to flower and do a fungal dominant tea 2 or 3 weeks into flower
6. Harvest cannabis, then chop and drop again, then add all purpose or veg formula dry amendments & cover with 1/2 of compost again..
Rinse repeat. This recreates the natural order and with plenty of composting worms(red wigglers) in there you end up achieving what is known as nutrient cycling within 9 months to a year. Once that happens then you have no need for other supplements other than compost. I am currently at about 5 months into a new soil(V3 from buildasoil in 15 gal fabric pots) and it keeps getting better. This time next year I should be able to grow pretty damn well with little more than non chlorinate water/compost/mycos and my red worms.
I know this was long, but I really hope it helps.
 
ImpulsiveGrower

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Its not the amendments being potent. Look cannabis needs actually very little nutes. Not that diff from us, nutrients only support bodily(or in this case plant function). The plants eat light though, that is there food. So it works like this;
1. Coco & perlite or whatever aeration used creates a near perfect environment for microbial life to bloom. Idk where this idea about it taking a long time to colonize a 3-7 gallon pot of coco with microbial life comes from, but it is incorrect. This is one of the easiest environments to grow microbial life in my friend. It is inert, it is excellent at staying moist without being 'wet', it has a very HIGH amount of oxygen & surface area. If you add microbes(even just a little bit) and food for them(in this case dry amendments) then keep the medium moist then you will have colonization in no time! Microbes grow fast.
2. No need to let it get 'hot' because it wont, however when you use it is up to you. If you think you need some time to build up microbial life then thats fine. Amend your coco & water it for a week or 2 before planting in(or plant right in as again microbes bloom fast)
3. Although microbes will occur anyway as they are literally everywhere, you are still going to want to start off with as many beneficial microbes as possible. The best way to do this is with teas/worm castings. Using kelp/castings/and compost is going to really get things going fast. From there you will want to just focus on caring for the microbes. As they bloom they will eat the dry amendments, then they will multiply, then they die. When they die they leave behind a plant ready smaller version of whatever nutrients they have been eating(You are what you eat lol). This is how microbes 'feed' plants. By feed I mean provide nutes btw.
4. As this is a coco coir/hydro grow you will almost for certain need to utilize some calmag. Simple really.
5. Plants need 3 things. Food=light/health=nutrition/shelter=stable, friendly environment. Growers focus too much on trying to give higher & higher amounts of nutes thinking that its food, thinking that higher nutrients means more food which means more growth, but it's not the case. It's common and I had the same problem for a while before I learned a better way. Feed the microbes/ farm the microbes and in return they will give you everything you want...and not just from cannabis but any plant!

P.S All plants have a relationship with microbes. Some rely more on bacteria while some rely more on fungi. The size of the plant generally determines which. Small plants like legumes prefer a highly bacterial dominant medium while bigger plants likes trees need fungal dominance. Cannabis is kind of in the middle as it utilizes both. Both have the ability to eat & break down or 'free' up trapped nutrients, however between the 2 fungi is stronger. It eats faster therefor it frees up nutrients faster. Cannabis prefers a bacterial dominant soil in veg & a fungal dominant soil in flower. Give a bacterial dominant tea in veg to achieve a slow stream of nutes throughout the plants life, then make a fungal dominant tea for when you flip to flower.
Also as compost & earthworm casting as actually super low in nutes you can give them teas up to once a week with no problem. So the thought that there would be a lack of microbial life in coco coir is really dependent on the grower and has nothing to do with coco itself. If you can't grow microbes in coco then you will likely struggle to grow them anywhere(with the exception of 50+ gallon soil because with that volume of soil the microbial population is going to work independent/despite anything a grower might do wrong). There is also molasses lol. Don't over use it as the microbes will be eating the simple sugar before it would eat the dry amendments but if you are worried about microbial population then an occasional watering with molasses will ensure there are plenty of microbes. You just need to then let them go back to eating the dry amendments.
The lesson is that its truly is ALL ABOUT THE MICROBES. Ive seen ppl use fox farms ocean forest(a very hot highly loaded soil with in my opinion too much nutes) and have terrible results and Ive seen ppl use low amounts slow release nutes in highly microbial active soil with nothing but water and have incredible plants. In fact most ppl overuse nutrients because they think that more nutes=more or better cannabis. This isn't the case though.
Nothing can beat the nutrient cycle though in my opinion. Building soil is the way to go, but that isn't easy for everyone. For me a living soil(not coco coir)/cover crop that always keeps my mycorrhizae colonies alive/big redworm population to eat my 'green manure'(thats the cover crop when I trim it down & cover it with a half inch layer of compost) works great and as I keep this cycle going...
1. I top dress & plant cover crop
2. plant my cannabis seedling
3. bacterial compost tea early in veg
4. chop & drop the cover crop, then add dry amendments(half all purpose half bloom), then top that with about a half an inch of compost(I use Coasts of Maine lobster compost).
5. I do # 4 a week before flipping to flower to give worms/bacteria/& fungi time to eat the chop & drop & amendments and turn them into castings, then flip to flower and do a fungal dominant tea 2 or 3 weeks into flower
6. Harvest cannabis, then chop and drop again, then add all purpose or veg formula dry amendments & cover with 1/2 of compost again..
Rinse repeat. This recreates the natural order and with plenty of composting worms(red wigglers) in there you end up achieving what is known as nutrient cycling within 9 months to a year. Once that happens then you have no need for other supplements other than compost. I am currently at about 5 months into a new soil(V3 from buildasoil in 15 gal fabric pots) and it keeps getting better. This time next year I should be able to grow pretty damn well with little more than non chlorinate water/compost/mycos and my red worms.
I know this was long, but I really hope it helps.
Exactly!! Lol I’m all about the organics and mr Canuck inspired me to start growing last year using dry amendments. Since the laws have changed why not!
 
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I’m gonna answer this from 2 points of view: from a grower since 1996 and a filmmaker since about the same time.
Any grower who has done this for a few years and has a strong botany understanding and correct instruments for assessing the plants’ well being along with a controllable environment from clone to stone, then totally possible.

But, anyone with a basic understanding of filmmaking, editing powers within FCPX and time to storyboard can also pull off an amazing film that appears to the audience to be perfect and flawless, but beware of anyone appearing to have 100% consistency on anything online, The only thing 100% true is that almost nothing is 100% flawless w/o something to hide the flaws.
 
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thanks Od,so in your opinion do u reckon he lets his mix of amendments and coco build up over a period to build up the microbe life and then use it or u think its a fresh mix he uses?tbh i never realised how potent some simple dry ammendments could be in a generally speaking coco grow using just phed water
If you watch his videos he does not let them sit. He mixes them and plants them right away. Like said in the past comments nutes is not the #1 thing when growing.. genetics is always gonna be the #1 most important thing in the grow room if you use trash brick weed seeds you will get nothing but trash brick weed no matter what u feed or what u do.. then next it’s the environment.. all the fertilizer company’s with the colorful bottles want you to buy their stuff but for most part they are all similar.. get the genetics and environment on point and your gonna have good results. Plus with the organic dry amendments they are way more forgiving especially for new growers if you over feed with bottle nutes it’s gonna stunt the girls and lose out in yield and quality…
 
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thanks,yeah that makes sense not to water to runoff...let all the goodness build up.most likely microbes get produced in this manner aswel.il will definitely watch more vids and check out how he makes his medium and what is added etc,tbh i have not really done much research just wanted to get some quick info but much appreciated, helped my understanding on this topic.Il do more research and hopefully next grow il give one or 2 of my plants this technique and see how it works for me.Mr Canucks has my respect man,never thought he was bullshitting,just was surprised at how well ammendments work in inert coco
i follow him too,and by what your decribing he puts about 20% worm castings with coco also and enough dry amendments to last until flipping,then top dresses a couple of times,but not everyone can get gaia green :(
 
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Been growing vegetables for years. As a new cannabis grower and from Canuckland, I have also been following his content (and having good success so far).

We're fortunate to have Gaia Green for cheap in Canada. Quite a few gardening centers carry the brand and a full size bag is often cheaper than a 2kg tub online. It really is a great product and I would recommend it to anyone that has access to it at a reasonable price. However, if you look at a lot of the dry amendment companies, they all seem to have the same end targets and get there with slightly different ingredients. Most of them have a 'veg' blend and a 'flower' blend. I would guesstimate - given a proper environment - that Build a Soil, Dr. Earth and other dry amendments would be close enough to GG (correct me if I'm wrong) and the the microbial/fungal health of your growing media plays a much more important role in the overall health of the plant.

FiveFingerDadPunch has a great explanation above.
 

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