My first outdoor grow, some preliminary questions

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Hi All! First post here, and planning a first outdoor grow in central Ohio.

My already-obtained femininzed autoflower seeds:

Wedding Cake
White Widow
Grandaddy Purple

Plans:

Paper towel germination
- should I get a heat source, and if so, what?

Start in: peat pots

Misc. questions:
  1. How many seeds should I attempt to germinate and plants to grow?
  2. What's a good soil to start in? I have a bag of FoxFarm Ocean Forest that's been sitting around, opened, for YEARS. I've read that it's probably way too nutrient-rich from 'cooking' for so long.
  3. Is there any advantage in getting the seedlings going indoors for a while? What's the minimum I can get away with, light-wise? Can I use my regular old 4' fluorescent fixtures?
  4. I'll transfer to larger containers when the time comes. How do I recognize that time? What size containers will I need? Can I use the old Ocean Forest soil at that time?
  5. The reason I'll be using containers rather than ground is - besides having more control - I want to be able to hide them from potential company. On a related note, what are some recommended methods to protect them from pests and kids? In Ohio, growing is legal, but it's supposed to be "secured" - recommendations?
  6. What about general concealment from neighbors? I was thinking they need to be in away from walls, etc. to get full sun - correct? I'd like to think I can install privacy fence on the 2 sides of the yard that need it (behind-neighbor has one on their property already), but that may not happen in time.
  7. Timing? I was thinking of having them outside June 1 based on the timeframes mentioned in the above seed links and for maximum sun and avoiding potential cold snaps. My neighbor, with some experience in this matter, was urging me to get them going now for some reason.
Any thoughts are appreciated, not least of which is anything I haven't asked which needs to be taken into consideration at this time. Thanks in advance!
 
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Imzzaudae

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Hello and welcome. You won't need a heat mat. It's pretty early. Start the seed some place warm the last week of May so they are ready to go in the big pot June first. Don't transplant. The weather will be warm enough and the plant will blast off and grow if you don't drown it. I'm just across the St Clair River buy Sarnia. This is how I time outdoor autos. You should be harvesting the 2nd week of September.

I like 5 gallon pots for Autos outdoors but also like 15 gallon pots. 15 gallon pots require a lot of effort to move around.
Not a fan of Ocean Forest. I'd suggest anything but. Consider 1/3 Black Earth. 1/3 Peat Moss / 1/3 Vermiculite. A couple of cups of castings.
40 Grams of Dolomite lime per gallon of medium.
10 Grams of Gypsum per gallon of medium.

This will give you a nice start. A little compost tea made with Alaska and Muskie fish fertilizers will get them off to a great start. You can use hardware store compost if you don't have a pile.
Maybe super charge the pot with some microbe mix and Molasses once a week before planting.
It does not have to be fancy I just mix everything together and run it threw a strainer at the end.
You can make a gallon or a bucket full it's super easy. Just water the pots with it once a week 3 or 4 times if you can before planting.

Grow like a viking.

Compost tea " Boosted with equal parts of Muskie 5-1-1 and Alaska 0-10-10 and they will be great.

If your growing in soil it's important that you mix in bone meal now so it has a head start.
 
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Hi All! First post here, and planning a first outdoor grow in central Ohio.

My already-obtained femininzed autoflower seeds:

Wedding Cake
White Widow
Grandaddy Purple

Plans:

Paper towel germination
- should I get a heat source, and if so, what?

Start in: peat pots

Misc. questions:
  1. How many seeds should I attempt to germinate and plants to grow?
  2. What's a good soil to start in? I have a bag of FoxFarm Ocean Forest that's been sitting around, opened, for YEARS. I've read that it's probably way too nutrient-rich from 'cooking' for so long.
  3. Is there any advantage in getting the seedlings going indoors for a while? What's the minimum I can get away with, light-wise? Can I use my regular old 4' fluorescent fixtures?
  4. I'll transfer to larger containers when the time comes. How do I recognize that time? What size containers will I need? Can I use the old Ocean Forest soil at that time?
  5. The reason I'll be using containers rather than ground is - besides having more control - I want to be able to hide them from potential company. On a related note, what are some recommended methods to protect them from pests and kids? In Ohio, growing is legal, but it's supposed to be "secured" - recommendations?
  6. What about general concealment from neighbors? I was thinking they need to be in away from walls, etc. to get full sun - correct? I'd like to think I can install privacy fence on the 2 sides of the yard that need it (behind-neighbor has one on their property already), but that may not happen in time.
  7. Timing? I was thinking of having them outside June 1 based on the timeframes mentioned in the above seed links and for maximum sun and avoiding potential cold snaps. My neighbor, with some experience in this matter, was urging me to get them going now for some reason.
Any thoughts are appreciated, not least of which is anything I haven't asked which needs to be taken into consideration at this time. Thanks in advance!

Welcome, those are great strains. Wedding cake is a personal favorite of mine. Under appreciated medical strain imo, great body high, reduces my anxiety. Can help with pain. Takes masturbation to a whole different level.
I dont need the wife anymore.

1. Id start off with 1 of each. I put mine in water until i see a verified pop. Only takes 24-48 hours.

2. Ocean forest is solid. Its not hot. Whether to use that bag depends. If it dried out, it didnt cook. Microbes were dormant and/or dead. Keep in mind bugs could have infested it. Bad bacteria and fungus could have contaminated it. I’d start with a fresh bag, especially if your seeds were pricey.

3. There is every reason to start inside. You want them big enough to withstand strong winds, rain, and bugs. A single large bug can devistate a seedling. You dont need much light for seedlings and veg. I started my first grow with a shop light. You can get cheap lights on amazon for like $20-$30. Just to start and early veg tho


4. I absolutely transplant. Gets the plant going with a strong healthy root ball. I start off in solo cups, and transplant to either a 1 or 2 gallon container when the leaves just start to hang over the side. How many times you transplant is up to you. Being that you’re going outside theres no point in transplanting more than 1 time unless you start early and want to grow a monster outdoors.

I dont conceal from neighbors. They dont like me anyways. Keep your plants off a wall, you want to maximize sunlight. A small barrier isnt a bad idea, it can act as a wind blocker for small plants.


Outdoors is a different animal. Its very rewarding. Just know that youre at mother natures mercy. She can take them at any time. When your plant starts getting big, make sure you support it. Wind and rain snaps heavy branches. Expect it. Sometimes you can mend them, sometimes you cant. When they get big theyre very resilient tho. Sometimes you’ll come home and theyll be face down in the mud. Prop them back up and the next day theyll act liek nothing ever happened. June 1 is a good date, alot of people start early with cooked plants and they try to flower in may, and are ugly all year because they reveg. You also dont have to worry about frosts
 
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my outdoor grow 8 days from sprout gorilla cookie auto
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Ive never grown an auto but I thought you were supposed to start them right in their final pot no transplants ?? Love the outdoor thread every year so I’ll be watching. Best of luck with em I hope they treat ya right
 
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That's the beauty of an open forum like this. You get plenty of opinions. I don't have any problem starting Autos in small pots then transplanting. It works well if you don't leave them in the small pots long. It's pretty much what the grower is comfortable with.
 
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What about general concealment from neighbors?
Yes, what about concealment. I'm in Virginia in the suburbs, legal but with conditions. 4 plant limit. We all have 2 story houses so no matter what I do they are going to see it. I'm open with my neighbors about it if they ask. None of them use cannabis but none of them have objected to my using it. One is active military so they keep their distance. One came over when the plants were in full flower last year and seemed impressed. The VA laws say that a grow is cool if it cannot be seen from a public street and identified by the unaided eye. I let the ornamentals along the fence grow to block the view from the street. Grow must be protected from kids but it doesn't specify what that means. It's not a criminal offense, it's a fine. There are no children living in any adjoining property, the yard has a 4 foot fence and there hasn't been an issue.

So, I would find and read Ohio's laws on the subject so you can stay legal and keep any anxiety in check. If you have the legal right to grow it in your yard then it's nobody else's business, right?

Beyond all that, the best place for me to grow is in the middle of the yard where it gets the most sun and the most air. That air movement is very important to work against issues like mold and bud rot but it also might need some support from storm winds.

I grow photo periods. I germinate in a shot glass of water and when I see the tails I pour the glass into the prepared ground. I plant in the ground shortly after May 1st, which is the frost free date in my zone. That gives about 6 months till harvest for photos so I don't see a need to start early inside and transplant. In 6 months, with the sun as the engine, they get big.

It's an amazing feeling to stand next to a six foot cannabis plant in full bloom and to see and smell and touch those flowers. It's an impressive species. It should be in the National Arboretum so people can see it and be amazed.

Grow your 4 Virginia!
 
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Hi All! First post here, and planning a first outdoor grow in central Ohio.

My already-obtained femininzed autoflower seeds:

Wedding Cake
White Widow
Grandaddy Purple

Plans:

Paper towel germination
- should I get a heat source, and if so, what?

Start in: peat pots

Misc. questions:
  1. How many seeds should I attempt to germinate and plants to grow?
  2. What's a good soil to start in? I have a bag of FoxFarm Ocean Forest that's been sitting around, opened, for YEARS. I've read that it's probably way too nutrient-rich from 'cooking' for so long.
  3. Is there any advantage in getting the seedlings going indoors for a while? What's the minimum I can get away with, light-wise? Can I use my regular old 4' fluorescent fixtures?
  4. I'll transfer to larger containers when the time comes. How do I recognize that time? What size containers will I need? Can I use the old Ocean Forest soil at that time?
  5. The reason I'll be using containers rather than ground is - besides having more control - I want to be able to hide them from potential company. On a related note, what are some recommended methods to protect them from pests and kids? In Ohio, growing is legal, but it's supposed to be "secured" - recommendations?
  6. What about general concealment from neighbors? I was thinking they need to be in away from walls, etc. to get full sun - correct? I'd like to think I can install privacy fence on the 2 sides of the yard that need it (behind-neighbor has one on their property already), but that may not happen in time.
  7. Timing? I was thinking of having them outside June 1 based on the timeframes mentioned in the above seed links and for maximum sun and avoiding potential cold snaps. My neighbor, with some experience in this matter, was urging me to get them going now for some reason.
Any thoughts are appreciated, not least of which is anything I haven't asked which needs to be taken into consideration at this time. Thanks in advance!
Your soil is fine, ocean forest is a little hot for seedlings though. It hasn't been cooking if it's just sitting there it's dried out is about all that happened. Moisture is required for microbial activity.
 
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That's the beauty of an open forum like this. You get plenty of opinions. I don't have any problem starting Autos in small pots then transplanting. It works well if you don't leave them in the small pots long. It's pretty much what the grower is comfortable with.


Im sorry, missed that they were autos. I do not recommend transplanting autos. Start in final container.
 
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Ive never grown an auto but I thought you were supposed to start them right in their final pot no transplants ??
I've also never grown them. My impression is because they grow so fast, there isn't much time to recover from problems. The potential stress of transplant shock is probably why it's best not to transplant autos.
 
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I've also never grown them. My impression is because they grow so fast, there isn't much time to recover from problems. The potential stress of transplant shock is probably why it's best not to transplant autos.

Pretty much. The problem is that right about the time that autos are big enough for transplant is right around the time they could possibly start flowering. I usually anticipate flowering between days 18-21, but ive seen them grown by other people start flowering at 14 days.

I see no benefit to it. Too much risk. I know good growers that transplant them regularly, i just dont see the point. Is it possible? Absolutely. Practical for a new grower who probably hasn’t transplanted yet? LoL no way
 
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I have always transplanted my autos from small cups to final pot but if you treat them rough have fumble fingers yes they will hate you.
But like most are telling you just put the sprout in it's final pot till you get more experienced with transplanting. Shit it's like planting nursery plants now for me nothing too it. Put them in at least 3gal pots and you'll have to really watch the bugs. Mine are all over 10days old now so yes start them ASAP if you plan to harvest before end of Sept. My photoperiods are 6 wk old clones i've taken off my indoor slurricane and blueberry muffins. There hardening off outdoors now, i bring them indoors cause night temps are still too low but by this time next week it will be great weather. PS I have a greenhouse also so it helps. I'm pretty serious about my grows and did lots of plannings over the years i can't afford to F-up my grows.
 
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Thank you all very much! I lost touch with my credentials and didn't see email notifications for my post, but I'll definitely be getting these going ASAP since I'd like to harvest by Aug. 29!

I believe I'll germinate one of each strain and plant straight in final pots on your advice. Definitely no green thumb yet! And also thanks for your thoughts on soil. Hope to have some pretty pictures for you by fall :)
 
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Ohio law requires that your outdoor grow is inconspicuous and secure from access. I imagine these requirements will be open to interpretation until a few lawsuits set the standard. And I believe that it is only a ticketabIe offense.

I have a purpose built greenhouse with a locked door. I use insect netting to conceal the contents.

Why the trouble? First , I want to avoid trouble with the law. Second, my negligence would give my fellow cannabis growers a collective black eye.

But most importantly, l don’t want let a kid from up the road gain access to my kryptochronicunnalite and kill someone while blazing behind the wheel. Would it be their fault? Absolutely! But you can lose everything in civil court where the bar is only a preponderance of the evidence. I am not saying this to be contrary. I have a genuine concern for my fellow growers and our kids. I’m not a lawyer, so take my advice for what it’s worth.

Happy growing my fellow Buckeye!
 
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Well, I'm off to some kind of start, taking bits and pieces from the recommendations here but keeping it simple.

I threw one of each strain in a shot glass of water. All sprouted.

Planted them in a peat pot filled with Lush Organics and watered them. Man, is that stuff light. Seems like water just rearranges the whole substrate 😕

Wedding cake and one of the others came up after leaving them watered in a warm shed a couple days. Unsure what to do, I ordered this and put it in here.
Grow2

Man those pots sure do get deformed when they get wet.

I've been leaving them out in the sun when I can get away with it to breathe and bringing them in at sunset to maintain constant light.

I've got 5 gallon grow bags and enough Lush Organics to fill those when I need to put the lil pots in.

With that soil, I am pretty much good on nutrients till it's flower time? What's a good way to know when to water?
 
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Your gonna get some haters when you use those peat cups, i don't care for them but don't change it up now. Your seeing why either they fall apart or cause yellowing early in the seedlings. Your soil mix sounds great. Watch out with sun on very young seedlings they all need to adjust to it's intensity. Don't over soak the pots.
 
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Planted them in a peat pot
I'm new around here so I am by far not an expert.... but I just had a really bad experience with the peat cups. Be careful with those. I am nursing back 2 plants that I started in those. I noticed when I transplanted them that the roots had started growing into the sides of the peat. It was very hard to keep or judge soil moisture with those.... at least for me it was. I also hear that mold can easily grow on the bottom of those as well.

Ooops


She is starting to come back slowly since I transplanted into plastic pots. The other one not so good. I started two more seeds to test this. I want to see if they do better starting in different pots.

Anyway... for what it's worth... that was my experience with peat pots. The roots growing into the sides and possible exposure is not anything I would have thought of. But then again I am new. 😁
 
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I've also never grown them. My impression is because they grow so fast, there isn't much time to recover from problems. The potential stress of transplant shock is probably why it's best not to transplant autos.
That's definitely what the autoflower sellers say. Now I'm only at the harvest stage of my first grow (Northern Lights Auto), but my plant went beyond the 10 week grow cycle that was promoted. And I'm absolutely positive that had I kept feeding nutrients instead of switching over to Advanced Nutrients flush phase when advised, my plant would have gone a couple weeks more at least. I think it might have gone 15-16 weeks without flushing it.

I didn't transplant, and I didn't top the plant either, but it ended up having enough time to endure both, recover, and still grow fully.

What I don't get is the whole point of planting/transplanting regardless of auto vs. photo grow. I know that starting out small is a tried and true method with decades of evidence of it working well. But why? It can't possibly be "necessary." I mean, if it was, how could marijuana have evolved? Planet Earth is a pretty big "pot" for those tiny seeds to cope with. And yet they do.

It just seems logical to me that it isn't about the size of the container, but how water and nutrients are distributed that make the difference between a successful early grow, and disaster. But that's my own hypothesis, without any evidence to support my conclusion (yet!).
 
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The only reasons I can think of for starting in small containers, is shoving them close together as seedlings to soak up whatever light is being put out by my "grow light" of questionable quality, or starting a bunch at once to select from, or being able to move them around for concealment purposes. All apply to some degree in my case I guess.

As far as peat pots, I would assume it's expected for the roots to grow through them and that plopping them straight into a hole in a larger container if a great way for a noob to "transplant". Oops, I assumed? We'll see. Definitely a learning process.
 
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