need help

[vonwolfen]

Ok I(we)am in my 3 attempt at indoor(outdoor attempt went very well). My first two attempts have been turned to shake. Which I felt lucky to get because it was not even worth that...

My system
40 2 gallon pot
CAP ebb and flo system with timer for watering 4 times a day approx 2-4 hours apart
4x1000 watt HPS
1x600 watt HPS
2 6" inline fans at 405cfm 1 pulling air from 2x100 and 1 600, and the other pulling air through 2x1000
1 12000 btu portable ac unit set at 80F
1 CO2 controller with 50lb CO2 tank(outside) set at 1500ppm
1 CAP fuzzy logic controller
2 12" oscillating fans
1 humidifier(work OK)
1 dehumidifier(not great but somewhat works)

Temps lows mid 60's lights out
Highs 85 lights on
ave around 75-80
RH 25-35% ave(low<20 highs <90)

Feeding forumla(for 50 gallons)
AN Sensi Bloom 350ml
Cal-mag+ 150ml
Humbuldts own Honey 150ml
AN B-52 50ml
Great White 8teaspoons
Snowstorm 50ml
Big Bud 150ml
Florolisous plus 2 tbls
Diamond nectaur 100ml

also used 1 time the first week of feeding
Bud Blood 7tsp
Bushmaster 150ml

will use Overdrive
1 week before flushing. Which will be 2 weeks

problems
plants are very airy
plants are not produceing more then 1/4ozon ave(range from 1/16oz- 1 and 1/2oz per plant)..total for last grow of 36 plants was 1.75lbs
little or no smell..little or no taste..over all smoking effect is shockling pretty good

strains are most OG types from clone

I/we are not growers for profit. Just enough to continue to do another crop. We give large amounts away to cancer/fibromyalga/cfids/ patients. They dont complain because its free, but we are lossing the ability to continue based on the inablity to make up the difference with co-ops. 2 are helping out by taking what we have as shake.

curing may be part of the problem
Hung upside down, until manacured. In room with windows blocked, and temps at 75F(stable). Put in cardboard box until completely dry. transfered to mason jars and refrigerated. air daily for 1-2 hours...
Thats it..I/we will answer any questions, thanks for any help

 

[lambrettats1]

how long are you vegging for mate. are your lights too far away.im in no way an expert here but in a couple of pics your plants look pretty unhappy and quite badly drooping. your temps and humidity seem within decent parameters so just putting out some ideas. TS1

 

[motherlode]

Im not even sure where to start here - not trying to be direspectful - but my first suggestion would be to try one light (much smaller grow) and dial that in before you attempt something like this

your nute schedule concerns me - its kind of a lot of differnt shit - sometimes less=more

where did you come up with that recipe?

 

[lambrettats1]

i also agree with motherlode you cant run or at least you shouldnt try to before you can walk. ive been doing this for quite some time and always kept it low key and i have had to learn some sore lessons along the way.

 

[vonwolfen]

Motherlode.."not trying to be direspectful"
Hey, call me what you want, say I F donkeys. I dont care right now. just help me out...

The plants are in their first week of flowering so I have the lights higher to keep from light shock. I will move them down in a few days..
They vegged for 5 weeks



I put the feeding schedule up so that I could get feed back on what was to much or not needed all together...

 

[SmokeyPipes]

Think you need to start over and ditch that ebb & flow system until you learn more about growing,That's a ton of money to be wasting on growing twigs,No disrespect intended!!

 

[vonwolfen]

these photos are of the last harvest..The Fire is airy and had small white seeds in it, but smeels good..the Blue Venom was great when we harvested but lost its smell(now smalls like lawn cuttings) and is no longer hard and dense.

 

[SmokeyPipes]

Dude,scratch those and start over,your obviously overfeeding them by the looks of things,someone had to help you set that up,not sure who advised you to purchase all that equipment,but IMO,your wasting electricity and $ if you stick with those plants...

 

[vonwolfen]

"someone had to help you set that up"
Actually I built it from scratch(even the deck and shed..first thing I ever built, and it passed city/county inspection first time out..didn't due the electrical work) looking at others grow journals, and asking questions on this and other sites...
The issue with going smaller is that 3 other people are involved, and have put large amounts of money into it(2 of which have fibromyalgia, and the other in remission with cancer). I need to succeed with this..

 

[vonwolfen]

Is the system I have to work with viable as is? For instance I have no fan pushing air out of the room. Only fans pulling air in.
Is the feeding regiment to much?to little? or just right(little red)?
As far as starting over with this crop, that is an option. I didn't take photos of the plants doing well, but those can be moved. Of course it could just start the horrible process over again, and have the same problem. Unless I have a solution to the problem(s).

 

[SmokeyPipes]

Not sure where your at,But I think you need some hands on help from someone with more experience,You definetely spent alot of money on your setup,and it's sad to see you wasting all that time and $ for some mid grades,especially when your trying to provide some quality medicine to those in need

 

[DaygoKushMaster]

You need air coming in the room at a low level and exausted out the top. Plants need constant fresh air and this will also lower your day temp so there won't b such a fluxuation. Switch to soil as soon as you can and check out the organic method, great for medicinal cannabis and much less hassle.

 

[vonwolfen]

I am in SFV(North Hills)..I am looking into a "class" called "Artistic Organisms" with a web "friend" Cephas.

 

[vonwolfen]

You need air coming in the room at a low level and exausted out the top. Plants need constant fresh air and this will also lower your day temp so there won't b such a fluxuation. Switch to soil as soon as you can and check out the organic method, great for medicinal cannabis and much less hassle.

Thank you,,,thats the kind of info I am looking for..failures in the set-up or feeding...I already know I am failing...

 

[motherlode]

you could start over or you could TRY and go back to veg until you get the issues corrected

Id say they are a bit small to have turned back anyhow

so we discovered (good call daygo) your not venting air and I still think your nutes are an issue

too many additives from too many companys, no telling what out of that list may be the prob

I would simplify that greatly, pick one brand/line of nutes and go very basic without all the additives until you get your shit on lockdown

maybe a nice 2 part

for your air issue what you should do is make a passive intake - a vent from outside covered with a nice mesh screen to keep bugs out and use the can fans you have to exhaust air

I wish you were closer to me as Id be willing to come over and help you work out your issues, best of luck with this man

 

[lollipopman]

MotherLode is right to much nutes goin in, whats your ph and ppm levels? Also are you aerating your water? And can I see a pic of the roots?

 

[vonwolfen]

MotherLode is right to much nutes goin in, whats your ph and ppm levels? Also are you aerating your water? And can I see a pic of the roots?

I take very good notes when I check my PH/PPM/EC daily or everyother day...
today
PH is 5.8
EC is 1.77
PPM 1200...The scale is odd .68(not .5 or .7) for conversion use.

I changed out nute, and sup yesterday..my first post in this thread shows what I put and how much.
I use RO water I get from a machine(giant wind mill) in my Albertsons parking lot. I have a large stone in my rez that runs 24/7.
The roots? um, I would be willing to do that if you tell me how to do it without hurting the plant to much..They are in hydroton.

 

[vonwolfen]

Motherlode, "I would simplify that greatly, pick one brand/line of nutes and go very basic without all the additives until you get your shit on lockdown"

Ok I will do that..just stay with the Sensi Bloom 2 part.

Motherlode, "I wish you were closer to me as Id be willing to come over and help you work out your issues, best of luck with this man"

Thanks, you are the 2nd person that offered that.

 

[lollipopman]

Do u have any roots on the bottom of your first bucket?

 

[vonwolfen]

you mean sticking out of the very bottom of the bucket through the holes? No