New to here , trying to make a small breeding company for some really fire genetics . Looking to get my hands on some old school strains to work with

[LeekyFarmsgenetics]

Gorilla breath (bag sees)

Forum stomper (mephisto)

Multiple strains

Purple urkle pheno 2(bagseed)

Dilly bars (exotic genetics)

Purple urkle phenotype 1

Dilly bars (exotic genetics)

Rancid alien (funky charms x toofless alien) bred by me

 

[LeekyFarmsgenetics]

Last pic and second to last video that are unlabeled are strains I forgot the name of and the purple urkle phenotype 1

 

[GNick55]

proper breeding takes 3-6 years to do it right, otherwise your just a pollen chucker,.
you only should be breeding with true landrace strains as most modern breeder stuff from the last 20-30 years is junk, small gene pools, etc,.

 

[ATLien415]

proper breeding takes 3-6 years to do it right, otherwise your just a pollen chucker,.
you only should be breeding with true landrace strains as most modern breeder stuff from the last 20-30 years is junk, small gene pools, etc,.

I don't agree that, "proper breeding takes 3-6 years to do it right, otherwise your just a pollen chucker." I disagree with that timeline. A breeding project should have a goal, for most projects that is homogeny. I agree that a typical route in the past has taken years. I also agree that the true agricultural-tek F1 hybrids should take at least 5 years to even be close to being done.

How do you arrive at the conclusion we should only be breeding with landraces, when in theory, landraces do not exist in a vacuum any longer? During the past 20-30 years, I don't even think 0.01% of cannabis breeders truly understood the botanical implications of geno/pheno/chemo types or the definitions of a varietal or cultivar. There are a handful of folks that do apply these types of standards with rigor though - my point being that, these folks, they are the modern breeders, not the folks who just happened to fall into good cuts in years past. Not shaking a stick at them, they were the cutting edge of cultivation too - just not now.

With both the flavenoid topic and drift/etc. correction by a plethora of means becoming more clear every day it seems, I don't really know how much faith we should be placing in random vendors stating they have landraces.

 

[LeekyFarmsgenetics]

proper breeding takes 3-6 years to do it right, otherwise your just a pollen chucker,.
you only should be breeding with true landrace strains as most modern breeder stuff from the last 20-30 years is junk, small gene pools, etc,.

Been growing for 10 years and the one strain I have created the rancid alien I’ve been breeding for 3 years I belive now and have extensively done my research I know what I’m doing bud I’m only new to the forum not the weed game

 

[LeekyFarmsgenetics]

proper breeding takes 3-6 years to do it right, otherwise your just a pollen chucker,.
you only should be breeding with true landrace strains as most modern breeder stuff from the last 20-30 years is junk

Also cannabis is not the first plant I’ve grown been growing plants my whole life and have spent the last 12 years learning everything I can from real growers and breeders , not tools like you

 

[LeekyFarmsgenetics]

proper breeding takes 3-6 years to do it right, otherwise your just a pollen chucker,.
you only should be breeding with true landrace strains as most modern breeder stuff from the last 20-30 years is junk, small gene pools, etc,.

You should do some research the cross I made it’s actually a very nice cross not just pollen chucking , look at the lineage of both strains that were used and and if you know anything about breeding you’ll quickly see what the intention was . And everyone that has got their hands on it quickly fell in love it truly is an amazing strain that stands out from all this bs candy and fruit in the market . We aren’t smoking no trash over here, for real do research before talking crud. Got some dope stuff Im working on right now with other crosses that are gonna take people way back . Im tired of the market right now being flooded with all this poop , while the quality of a lot of the modern strains is good they are all lacking something and don’t feel right . You Also can’t put a timeline on someone else’s grow just because it would take you that long doesn’t mean it would take everyone else that long too . It’s pretty easy to breed and get very stable genetics if you know what you’re doing .

 

[mancorn]

Mmmmm… Nick or a new poster with “Fire”?

 

[LeekyFarmsgenetics]

Mmmmm… Nick or a new poster with “Fire”?

What do you mean ?

 

[RoadKillSkunkHunt]

What do you mean ?

He means tell us more. What strains have you crossed? How long have you been doing this? Do you have examples of your work?

You have to understand, there's many who crash this place making wild claims. People are skeptical until you prove yourself. How many plants are you currently running? Do you have pictures of your breeding stock? I don't mean this in a rude way, but show us some credibility. If people think you're legit, you will find more information and possibly even sources for the things you seek.

 

[LeekyFarmsgenetics]

He means tell us more. What strains have you crossed? How long have you been doing this? Do you have examples of your work?

You have to understand, there's many who crash this place making wild claims. People are skeptical until you prove yourself. How many plants are you currently running? Do you have pictures of your breeding stock? I don't mean this in a rude way, but show us some credibility. If people think you're legit, you will find more information and possibly even sources for the things you seek.

Dang man the very first post I make on here is supposed to have all of that currently I have only 20 plants left right now due to a move recently . With a littlle time I’ll have tons more to show pics of and share with you , I already commented with information about how long I’ve been growing cannabis and I’m not going to post strains I’ve crossed that aren’t out there yet . Once I’m ready to release it people will know and then I will post about that cross . I currently have only 4 strains I’ve created , only one the rancid alien is ready . There will be more soon . Just got a 15x20 grow room done and just got a few more tents to get a way better cycle going to be able to do things. Am currently collecting genetics for some older stuff to work with , Landraces and some of the strains of late 80s and early 90s if possible to do what I’m trying to do. The other 3 crosses I have made that I’m working with are with a bop gun male plant that I have I’ll be able to add more photos soon of some things . You can’t expect someone to be willing to show you every project they are working on . When those crosses are ready they will be released soon . And my goal is not to have as many strains as possible it is to have the best cannabis I possibly can and share that with people. There’s photos and videos of some stuff I’ve grown on this thread. If you have questions feel free to ask .

 

[RoadKillSkunkHunt]

Dang man the very first post I make on here is supposed to have all of that currently I have only 20 plants left right now due to a move recently . With a littlle time I’ll have tons more to show pics of and share with you , I already commented with information about how long I’ve been growing cannabis and I’m not going to post strains I’ve crossed that aren’t out there yet . Once I’m ready to release it people will know and then I will post about that cross . I currently have only 4 strains I’ve created , only one the rancid alien is ready . There will be more soon . Just got a 15x20 grow room done and just got a few more tents to get a way better cycle going to be able to do things. Am currently collecting genetics for some older stuff to work with , Landraces and some of the strains of late 80s and early 90s if possible to do what I’m trying to do. The other 3 crosses I have made that I’m working with are with a bop gun male plant that I have I’ll be able to add more photos soon of some things . You can’t expect someone to be willing to show you every project they are working on . When those crosses are ready they will be released soon . And my goal is not to have as many strains as possible it is to have the best cannabis I possibly can and share that with people. There’s photos and videos of some stuff I’ve grown on this thread. If you have questions feel free to ask .

No one should expect you to give away "secrets." There's plenty of information to be found on this board though. Hang around and find out. It would be one way to give yourself some credibility ... to be an active part of this forum family.

 

[LeekyFarmsgenetics]

He means tell us more. What strains have you crossed? How long have you been doing this? Do you have examples of your work?

You have to understand, there's many who crash this place making wild claims. People are skeptical until you prove yourself. How many plants are you currently running? Do you have pictures of your breeding stock? I don't mean this in a rude way, but show us some credibility. If people think you're legit, you will find more information and possibly even sources for the things you seek.

The rancid alien is currently in f4 and the only difference now between each plant is yield .

 

[ATLien415]

Mmmmm… Nick or a new poster with “Fire”?

I mean, whoever is right...right? Right?

Mathematically, Nick's statements were not supportable. They were subjective, opinion. You can fanboy for whoever you want, and thanks to all the supporters and staff, but anyone on the site should know better than to just sweep in and call someone a pollen chucker in a derogatory sense just because their breeding projects are less than 6 years long and they work with any genetics from the past 30 years? That can be your opinion but the mathematics behind breeding say squarely that the opinion is not transposable to fact.

I don't think he was making any wild claims. Plenty of randos on F4. Not like he said here is my S5+S5->F1 Hybrid I made this past month. Not like he claimed to be on F8 or something.

 

[Leste]

I know nothing about all this breeding stuff. But you make a good point about mathematics. At this point everything being said is just opinions not facts. Back up some of this stuff with verifiable facts. Clear up everything.

 

[ATLien415]

If you are breeding formally (on paper, to be audited or reviewed or to be used in litigation) you treat it as a mix between pharmaceuticals and botany. You'd use a Target-Product Profile to define your goal, then Robertson-Price maths to move forward based on your sample size. You can make a defendable argument that stands up to scrutiny (math scrutiny, not opinion scrutiny) even with a sample size of 20 or so...

A wave takes 6-9 months. There are a ton of concurrent steps and feedbacks into the rest of the process but you can turn over this entire process many times in 3-6 years. IMO, the two things that would make it take longer would be stress testing (if thorough) and/or low resources (hands/space/etc.).

 

[GNick55]

do your own research,..
breeding is ruining marijuana period,.. just look at the last 30-40 yrs, all breeder weed just keeps getting worse and worse,.
like the potato famine or the banana pandemic etc etc,..
with all breeding,.. too gain something, than something has to be lost,.
what are choosing to breed out and than replace with what? and how can you control that?
thcp has literally disappeared because of breeding,..
really all breeding should be made illegal and left to a select few,.
again learn for yourself,..

 

[Oldchucky]

do your own research,..
breeding is ruining marijuana period,.. just look at the last 30-40 yrs, all breeder weed just keeps getting worse and worse,.
like the potato famine or the banana pandemic etc etc,..
with all breeding,.. too gain something, than something has to be lost,.
what are choosing to breed out and than replace with what? and how can you control that?
thcp has literally disappeared because of breeding,..
really all breeding should be made illegal and left to a select few,.
again learn for yourself,..

Seems like everyone wants to skip the growing a large sample size and selecting! Several times! Selecting seems to have gone out of the equation! Just two cents! Because it takes a lot of room and it takes a lot of time! And it takes a lot of work!

 

[RoadKillSkunkHunt]

Seems like everyone wants to skip the growing a large sample size and selecting! Several times! Selecting seems to have gone out of the equation! Just two cents! Because it takes a lot of room and it takes a lot of time! And it takes a lot of work!

I agree with that. I find it hard (though not impossible) to believe that a person could run enough plants to properly select phenos when growing out of a medium size grow tent. It takes space, time, and lots of effort with a vision to come up with something truly special these days.

 

[Smokie08]

lol