So very nice Z, hittin 1.5 with 600's is really solid. In over heard right now i run anywhere between 4-6 plants but have gotten decent weight with as few as 3 per if vegged big enough...usually thats extra moms tho. never tried just 2 per light. Im def moving back toward super soil, will probably start in my overhead beds next run with some. Ive done Subs mix before and with vert, yields are still top notch had i used teas prob coulda been a whole other beast. Gonna do some different mixes this next time around tho.
@Greenleaf- sounds like a kickass scrog. Did you hit the weights you were shooting for in said set up? I can imagine it looking like one fo the big rdwc screens but with fat ass
smart pots under! As for organics...i'd say i pretty much veg trees already compared to most folks plants and i just feed
bio bizz all the way thru. Usually flip 3ft plants with 15+ tops and screen down heavily. I do think if you are running larger tubs/containers that super soil is awesome for beast plants, just takes time figuring out what all the plants need exactly in the mix.
@Dynamite- I know you crushing it broham. Ive always figured if folks are hittin lb+ trees in overhead...no reason i cant average that with big trees in vert which is where I'm heading with all this. My friends really dig the rockwool croutons, im gonna try and keep the vert runs as soil based as possible tho.
@Waayne- Awesome man, now thats what I'm talking about. I didn't think to mention in my first post i was referring to growing non hydro trees in vert but realized lotsa farmers grow trees period! Def should be a fun thread.
I know ive talked to you about wanting to stick to kushes lately but have you found any heavy kushes that can consistently push a lb plus in weight? Or am i dreamweaving/giving myself lofty goals? lol. When i veg trees for vert, i used similar methods you do- staying way on top of transplants as to not stifle root growth. i would usually end up in a 5 or 7 before uppotting to final 10-15 or 18g tub. I think with how much soil was left after each grow i might be fine pushing shit in 15g and feeding if necessary.
I see you don't alway top, are with you Cap in finding a christmas tree style does well for you? I top and train heavily no matter what i flip. My average plants for overhead are around 2.5-3ft tall at flip with 12-20 dominant tops to play with. I would assume giving yourself as many tops to make colas would be advantageous in vert grows no? Once defoliated you can easily have 10 plus good tops plus side branching. Right now plants like that limit lateral growth and just throw up lotta tops through screens for me. I'm kinda picturing doing the same and using cages to keep shit in line with verts around.
I can def see strain selection playing a huge role in weight as well. I have some chem dom plants that could beast out in vert but id def need to either not top them or veg appropriately. In the past the ones with long running colas vs. kush nugs def made yields way easier.
@ttystikk- Ya I'm looking at switching back to vert trees grown in super soil or a mix there of. When i first jumped on the site i didn't have my clones in order after moving and set up a 6200w vert room with 8-9 plants in 10-18g tubs of super soil. I had to run all plants from seed, so phenos/weight were all over the place but for 3 rounds or so i got a good idea on how to run trees inside. I hit right at a lb before but most were anywhere from 6oz-12oz. Smallest being some tiny white bubbas that hit 4-5oz. But that kinda showed me the potential after random ones were hittin solid weight across the board. I then switched to lotta plants in same vert set up and eventually back to overhead...at which point i dialed the room, put in ac, etc. I tried some vert scrogs since then as well and got good results but nothing like Cap's wall o dank or selfhemployeds vert. The scrog took to much space for me for what i was getting so i went back to over head.
Lately ive been running a buncha OG's, cookies etc and though weight has been solid, i bet i can hit the same with some well done vert trees. I've seen several non hydro cats breaking lb+ mark and some hittin 2lbs in coco/chow mixes/or waayne status so that gives me hope in being able to build a simple set up pulling 2lbs a light or better eventually. i also miss how easy it was vegging only 8-9 trees a run and the extra numbers i could use for test/seed runs if i went that route.
Things I learned from previous runs:
Defoliate heavily and get way better penetration.
Proper caging/support is crucial
know the stretch on your plants
vert often keeps stretch minimal compared to overhead
if in super soil- dial your mix to plants or use weaker mix and supplement base/act's
I often used too big a container/or didn't optimize growth
Things im curious on:
will rotating a plant 180 degrees that only has 2 sides act as full light
what kind of topping/training will be ideal to maximize weight
do cool tubes limit yield? All my previous vert runs i had to utilize cool tubes due to no AC...now have proper AC.
Ideally I'd like to look at going back to a 8-9 plants set up with 4-5k again. If casters don't work the way im thinking, then def adding a few more 600's to add some side light for extra plants.