Obama Tries to Rewrite His History of Promising Forbearance for Medical Marijuana Suppliers

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Let's not forget how O'bummer signed the National Defense Authorization Act into law. They are getting ready for the next phase people. He is no better than the rest of the puppets they have to offer. Your on the money Kolah.......nothing but a circus act. Just a place to push ill blame. The way I see it things have never really changed since the beginning of time. You have royalty and you have us slaves/pheasants. The only difference is now days they have us believe we are somebody special with our fancy cars, homes and little pieces of paper that say your somebody special.
DISCLAIMER: I hate the republican party worse.......assholes!

Hopefully we will all wake up one day and pull together, I believe there is still hope.
 
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First MH: I love Bill Maher, so I have seen this more than a few times. You can have all the problems you want with whoever is in charge in this country but they just seem so confused and unjustified: first Obama is a liar about Iraq, well you were wrong, second the youtube video: not enough proof, next you put this up with Bill Maher and still manage not to discuss one valid point but yet perpetuate another bold lie:

"I deal with our socialist government encroaching on my private life by "joking" about it because I dont know what else to do."
I wish our government was socialist, that is one of my biggest problems with our country is the unfettered capitalism that leads to this type of shit, where corporations have a ridiculous amount of power and say over governance. If you keep saying things that are flat out untrue, how do you expect anyone with any intelligence to respond? I am not attacking you, don't know you and I am sure just by the fact that we are both members here we could sit back and enjoy a spliff given the right timing. I do not intend to bait you either, I am simply stating when you make untrue statements and explaining why. If you think this country is socialist than please start by a definition of socialism and we can proceed from there. There is no western country on this earth more capitalistic than the U.S..

Kolah: Let me start by saying I hear ya, I was reading "Behold the Pale Horse", by William Cooper almost 20 years ago. I love the idea of grand conspiracies from Orwell's "1984", to modern day Zietgiest. But, while conspiracies most definitely exist the one thing that I had to reconcile was human intervention. The idea of grand conspiracies leads one down quite the gloomy path, everything that is spoken would somewhat be fake even the idea of language itself posses certain intellectual barriers, but human variation, much like plant variation, is really hard to call at times. What I mean is, the grand conspiracy ideas span over generations and fortunately humans don't always come out like their parents, and therefore bring too much variation for these ideas to exist too long. While again I am not saying conspiracies don't exist, they surely do, but there is balance out there and not everything happening is part of a grand scheme, that would be nice if it were because just like the opposite idea that everything is happening on some sort of grand good scheme both eliminate constructive thought, but the world is more complicated than that. At least imo. And to address your last paragraph, sure all empires rise and fall it is post fall that is interesting, it would be nice to end up like the U.K. and not Rome. Who knows on that one though.
 
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Explain social security.

Now tell me how we aren't socialists.

Put the kool aid down brother.
 
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Oh man, are you baiting me? I can give you one hell of a long response but let me see how concise I can make it. First I will start with a definition of socialism, I asked you to do one but whatev here you go, from Merriam Webster online: : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional betweencapitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done



Now does the U.S. have government ownership over the private market and distribution of goods? No.
Does the gov own the means of porduction for goods? No
Does private property exist? Yes

Now of course we have social tenets such as public schools, social security, medicare, but that does not in anyway make us socialist, we are capitalist to the core. I will not define capitalism for you as you can easily do that research yourself. There are only four semi socialist countries in the world and we are far from one. Thats strike three bro.
 
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Believe what you want...thats your perogative.


Last job I had...I paid 33% of my check to Uncle Sam.

I haven't ever felt like a "capitalist". I feel like a sucker because I let myself get fucked and just keep laying there. A hypocrite to the core because I am not offering any real solutions...just piss and vinegar.

I dont have any answers. I dont even think we are all asking the right questions.
 
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Mississippi, this is not a belief, just facts. I cannot say the sky is black because I do not believe in blue, that eliminates any possibilities of real conversation as I would be lost in delusion. By the way I paid 38% in taxes, actually quite a bit more cause of that whole 280-e tax code thing, but that does not mean we are a socialist country. I'm just paying my part for enjoying the few things that our government does provide, but I am not a capitalist, quite to the contrary I enjoy sharing and would be happy to pay more in taxes if we had more social programs in place especially a social healthcare system, but the capitalists of this country are rich and strong and are able to constantly convince people of things that are simply untrue, like the numerous poor people that were bitching about social healthcare when in fact they would benefit from it. The poor in our country have been hoodwinked into supporting the rich that suppress them, what I call the lottery theory. Many of the poor are so fooled to think that one day they may be rich, or if they attempt to agree with these rich people that maybe they will be let into the rich club......hahaha. Education is key people
 
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Will I be a socialist when I pay 50% in income taxes?

60%?

70?

Could I possibly pay my whole check in taxes and be doled out public services and food and NOT be a socialist?

If not...what would that make us?

IMHO...paying the government 38% in income taxes....plus:

land tax
road tax
sales tax

I could go on. I already pay over 50% in taxes. It sucks.
 
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Ironically...the only folks who don't see the "socialized" aspect of our healthcare system called Medicaid/Medicare are the folks who are recieving it. LOL. How tell-tale is it that these are many of the same folks sqwakin that we don't need a "socialize health care system' in between takin sips from their TEAparty cup? Huh? Say WHAT?

Then there's Social Security. With 46% of Americans having LESS THAN 10K in their "retirement" fund...where the fuck do these lost-as-fuck folks think their substanence will be coming from in their older years...out of the fuckin' sky? Folks are funny...they talk out of one side of their mouths that they "don't want no socialism" but at the same time....MOST folks aren't doing shit to ensure they WON'T be a Ward of the State when they are old...other than constantly and consistently criticizing the VERY MECHANISM that they will inevitably have to take part in. Huh? Say WHAT?

Just like MMJ....a lot of folks want unfeathered freedom to do as they please....which..Hell..I FULLY support...... but.... (and there's always a "but)

as evidenced by the data compiled regarding how FEW folks are SAVING for their retirement years and the showing we've seen with the "anything goes" aspect many have taken with MMJ...it's evident that MOST folks have absolutely no self-regulation skills and have absolutely no vision of the long-term. Allowing folks to do as they please would be GREAT...if...that is...they actually did what was expected/needed of them...but obviously...that isn't happening on either front.

Call it what you will... but to me it's just out and out irresponsibility all around.

So..... for the very, very vocal on all of this I ask....where are you in this equation? That right there is what many folks should be worried about, IMO. Not "Obamacare". Not "legalization".
Do you have the (high) SIX-FIGURE $$$$ amount (or more) saved for retirement it will take to survive for 20-30 years without an income?

Or...are you in the 10K "retirement fund" bracket with those who spend far too much time whining about Gov't "socialism"...all the while with HUGE blinders on as to the true reality of your own situation? Huh? Say WHAT?

jus' sayin'....

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Do you get anything back at the end of the year? This country was never founded on the "me first" ideals, we all enjoy public features and that is part of it. Did you read the definition of socialism I supplied? When you can no longer pay property tax because you have no property than you can start thinking about socialism. Taxes do suck, go to a place where the rich don't pay taxes and see how life is over there, e.g., Mexico. Try that hat on, and the workers still pay taxes yet get nothing back, no road upkeep, unsafe bridges, shitty schools, I could go on. We live in this country somewhat collectively, and that is the U.S.. If you don't like it here, there are many other options for you to move to, China, Russia, India, Guatemala, many places.
 
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This is exactly what they want.......division within. Capitalism, Socialism, Communism, Republican, Democratic which are all good platforms in their own respect, but when you implement man and theory things tend to get messed up. Greed is the first thing that comes to mind. Creating division helps them hide and the blame gets pushed around without ever coming to any kind of sensible conclusion or fault. The arguing back and forth will never end because the real issues at hand are seldom the issues being argued about. Smoke and mirrors.....they have become quite good at it. No flames intended here, just an humble opinion from a fellow pheasant.

The question I have is who is they? Its about to get ugly I feel.
 
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He's not a muslim--it's just silly to say that.
i was smokin some sour patch and thought it ( the MUSLIM thing) would stir the pot, so to speak, an seeing it's about pot is xtra funny to me,

i said all politicians & pres's,not just obama , tho he fits the cookie cutter mold too, in fact, he is a fashion statement for the us of a...lol...im here cuz i like pot and like to learn gro stuff, but this is a funny lil debate
at the end of the day does it really matter...
 
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Do you get anything back at the end of the year? This country was never founded on the "me first" ideals, we all enjoy public features and that is part of it. Did you read the definition of socialism I supplied? When you can no longer pay property tax because you have no property than you can start thinking about socialism. Taxes do suck, go to a place where the rich don't pay taxes and see how life is over there, e.g., Mexico. Try that hat on, and the workers still pay taxes yet get nothing back, no road upkeep, unsafe bridges, shitty schools, I could go on. We live in this country somewhat collectively, and that is the U.S.. If you don't like it here, there are many other options for you to move to, China, Russia, India, Guatemala, many places.

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Oligarchy, is a form of power structure in which power effectively rests with a small number of people. These people could be distinguished by royalty, wealth, family ties, education, corporate, or military control. Such states are often controlled by a few prominent families who pass their influence from one generation to the next.

Throughout history, some oligarchies have been tyrannical, relying on public servitude to exist, although others have been relatively benign. Aristotle pioneered the use of the term as a synonym for rule by the rich,for which the exact term is plutocracy, but oligarchy is not always a rule by wealth, as oligarchs can simply be a privileged group, and do not have to be connected by bloodlines as in a monarchy.

Corporate Oligarchy (aka Corporatocracy) is a form of power, governmental or operational, where such power effectively rests with a small, elite group of inside individuals, sometimes from a small group of educational institutions, or influential economic entities or devices, such as banks, commercial entities, lobbyists that act in complicity with, or at the whim of the oligarchy, often with little or no regard for constitutionally protected perogrative. Monopolies are sometimes granted to state-controlled entities, such as the Royal Charter granted to the East india Company or privileged bargaining rights to unions (labor monopolies) with very partisan political interests. (from Wiki)

In reality, does it really matter what it is called? I'd rather work on solutions instead of arguing about naming an out-of-control government.
 
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Monopolies are sometimes granted to state-controlled entities, such as the....

"Centers" in Colorado.....as sanctioned in HB1284.

However...because it is about (medical) marijuana, many people, including some here, fail to see the "ogliarchy" connection in place as they rail agianst "Gov't" and "the 1%" while simultaneously continuing to defend these loosely-related-to "MMJ" entities blindly.

same turd....different coating...

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Kolah I agree that we are in a form of oligarchy, but let me restate what I attempted to earlier about party differences, one (republican) fucks you all the way, while the democrats only go to third base.............I would love nothing more than if we had more parties, it would be nice to see coalition governments that would have to bend more often to the will of the people, and better representation in total. Unfortunately, there is only so much as an individual that one can do, and part of that at times is choosing between the lesser of two evils, which is an obvious choice for me.
 
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Kolah I agree that we are in a form of oligarchy, but let me restate what I attempted to earlier about party differences, one (republican) fucks you all the way, while the democrats only go to third base.............I would love nothing more than if we had more parties, it would be nice to see coalition governments that would have to bend more often to the will of the people, and better representation in total. Unfortunately, there is only so much as an individual that one can do, and part of that at times is choosing between the lesser of two evils, which is an obvious choice for me.

It's all part of the big play! Repub's wors then Demo's ! He is better then him ! It's the lesser of 2 evel's ! yada! yada! yada! It's the same play repeted over and over with some twists to the plot to make it seam like a different scene. If you watch it long enough you get get the idea and realize there is no difference ! Unless you get cought up in the little acts within the big play. Then your ego might actually think your big enough to be making a difference with your ideas and actions ! Get to big and you may even get to be a Marter for the cause! All the while the rich continue to eat up the Earth's reasources and hoard them to get richer. while keeping the cattle fed with the dilusion of ownership and freedom! --Like---" Look! I got a ranch with a hundred acres and several nice trucks ! Look I am free and own this land ! " Now go grow some pot and get cought by a special taskforce made up just to catch criminal like you! Go through asset forfetture and all the fun! Are you really free ? How's that dilusion holding up now? It's obvious that some folk miss the big show all together and get trapped within the illusion of freedom while in actuality they are to busy slaving away to the system ! We don't need more parties unless by parties you mean get to gethers where we all shair our farm specialties! We are one people and one world! The resources of the world are currently being held and controled by a small small group of men. The majority of people of the world are to busy sturggling to survive to even give a shit! I was brough up to believe you can work long and hard and show loyality to a company and you will be able to achieve the American dream. Worked long and hard did what was sapose to by saving putting money into retirement etc. Ya know what I got? I got crippled lol There was always be someone from somewhere else with more money driving the local economy! Care to go get whats rightfully yours? Give me an equal playing field and I will be there, but how do you win a game that the rules change over and over ? How many times have you lost a contract to a person because they are female or ethnic or crippled or even an ethnic female hadicapped person, (no shit it happened to me) even though you had years of experience and they were applying on the merit of being an ethnicfemalehadicapped person. Ok I'm way off subject now,or am I ? I'm off my soap box now and am going to take another wax hit then go look for some fruit trees to plant on my imaginary ranch I keep working towards ! Remember kids don't get cought.. Peace
 
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It's all part of the big play! Repub's wors then Demo's ! He is better then him ! It's the lesser of 2 evel's ! yada! yada! yada! It's the same play repeted over and over with some twists to the plot to make it seam like a different scene. If you watch it long enough you get get the idea and realize there is no difference ! Unless you get cought up in the little acts within the big play. Then your ego might actually think your big enough to be making a difference with your ideas and actions ! Get to big and you may even get to be a Marter for the cause! All the while the rich continue to eat up the Earth's reasources and hoard them to get richer. while keeping the cattle fed with the dilusion of ownership and freedom! --Like---" Look! I got a ranch with a hundred acres and several nice trucks ! Look I am free and own this land ! " Now go grow some pot and get cought by a special taskforce made up just to catch criminal like you! Go through asset forfetture and all the fun! Are you really free ? How's that dilusion holding up now? It's obvious that some folk miss the big show all together and get trapped within the illusion of freedom while in actuality they are to busy slaving away to the system ! We don't need more parties unless by parties you mean get to gethers where we all shair our farm specialties! We are one people and one world! The resources of the world are currently being held and controled by a small small group of men. The majority of people of the world are to busy sturggling to survive to even give a shit! I was brough up to believe you can work long and hard and show loyality to a company and you will be able to achieve the American dream. Worked long and hard did what was sapose to by saving putting money into retirement etc. Ya know what I got? I got crippled lol There was always be someone from somewhere else with more money driving the local economy! Care to go get whats rightfully yours? Give me an equal playing field and I will be there, but how do you win a game that the rules change over and over ? How many times have you lost a contract to a person because they are female or ethnic or crippled or even an ethnic female hadicapped person, (no shit it happened to me) even though you had years of experience and they were applying on the merit of being an ethnicfemalehadicapped person. Ok I'm way off subject now,or am I ? I'm off my soap box now and am going to take another wax hit then go look for some fruit trees to plant on my imaginary ranch I keep working towards ! Remember kids don't get cought.. Peace
tho i used diferent words, the feelings the same, like fuck it, its outta my hands n shit like that,,,,,, BUT its all a strategy to keep the choosen few rich n fat n on top and those on the bottom due to criminal record, poverty, disiability whatnot, all those are excluded from the real society , kinda like ok, you shitheads can only go in the shallow end of the pol while me and my rich fucks are gonna have the deep end, the diving board, slide, etc.... lets see how i feel in 5 yrs if still breathing.....its afreakin joke trying to get help if u really need it, if you need help, u r fucked, its like the weak are getting weeded outta the herd to make room for the strong,, whatever way or names u put on the players, it is all the same shit , been goin on forever, and will keep goin forever, i hope to stay off to the side n do my own thing and roll with all and maybe stay healthy , have food, and a rof over my head
 
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Wow people so bleak. I agree that the rich are in control for the most part, but we do/can/will/must change things, and the first step to change is understanding the current situation that one resides in. Now, there are differences among the two parties, if nothing more than dems have been more on the side of the poor than repubs, that is a narrative that hasn't changed in modern times. So while I can agree that the wealthy are far too powerful in this country, one must also see past the smoke and realize that yes there are some people that are in politics that are trying to do good for their constituents, and they must be acknowledged too. Not everything is so bad, and trust me I am much more optimistic than during the Bush presidency. So I guess in short, I simply do not agree that every politician and therefore the whole game itself is rigged, to a degree sure, but entirely no.
 
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To get kinda/soerta back on track.... I just wanted to point out that..contrary to the title of this thread, Obama nor anyone else has ever given the nod TO the "suppliers" of MMJ...so there's no way anyhting has been rewritten, nor has anyone changed positions...other than the patients, that is, many of whom don't see MMJ as a way to self-medicate....but see it instead as a way to selfishly fill their own pockets and make bank. (which was never the intent of MMJ)
 
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