Police raid but all they found was equipment and a little bit of dust/trim in a bag

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Hi, not sure if this is the right place to post but just after a bit of insight from anyone who can shed some light.

Worth mentioning im in the UK so laws in your country may not be relevant.

My friend has just had his house raided by the police today, the grow was harvested and finished a month or so ago so all they found was grow equipment (literally 2 lights, 2 wilma reservoirs and a fan, everything else had been moved elsewhere) and a bag of about 2oz worth of dust/trim.

He has pretty much definitely lost his job over this due to what he does for a living (id rather not go into what he actually does) but he's worried about what criminal charges he may receive.

Am I right in thinking the grow equipment is not illegal to own, but the bag of trim and dust will be used as a charge for possession?

He doesn't sell it as the grow was quite small so there's no evidence for an intent to supply charge I don't think.

Is he likey to be charged with just possession or with he ger a cultivation charge too?


Second point is related to me. I have been there multiple times giving him a hand with thr whole process and have recently started renting a house from him (all legitimate) within the last month. Should I also expect my new flat to be raided? Almost certain there's footage from ma neighbours camera of my car or at very least the nosey neighbor (probably the one who reported the grow) knows my registration number.

Thanks for any help and apologies if this is in the wrong place, it's my first post on here ha
 
TheGoldenRoad

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That depends on your Country’s laws and your local laws. If one flat was raided and law enforcement finds out that the subject owns more than one property, I’d be prepared for house guests.

My best advice without knowing your penal code system is to call the criminal court in your jurisdiction and ask them. They will most likely not be able to give you legal advice but they can advise you on policy and procedures. Your local court system may also have an online website that you can use to index someone’s name and find out about any pending or adjudicated actions against their name.
 
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I would guess the trim will connect the grow equipment and at least initially will be charged with cultivation.
This was my initial thought, but they only have a very minimal amount of equipment, no pots etc to suggest the amount of plants grown/amounts grown etc.

So any cultivation charge would literally just be for 2 oz worth? As there's no evidence for there being any more than that grown?
 
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This was my initial thought, but they only have a very minimal amount of equipment, no pots etc to suggest the amount of plants grown/amounts grown etc.

So any cultivation charge would literally just be for 2 oz worth? As there's no evidence for there being any more than that grown?
There was a minimal amount of equipment present but there was also a minimal amount of product as well. They may only end up charging him for what was present but it presents a solid case for cultivation for sales and distribution if you twist it right.
 
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Did they arrest him at the time and if so,what was he charged with ?
 
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He'll likely be charged with possession, cultivation, and intent to supply. 18 months'ish, first offense or not, probably 6-12 months actual. They're not going to drop shit against him, they have to pay for the price of the raid in results. They can raid his other house, but not if its being rented to someone else. You have full tenants rights, and they need direct evidence on you to enter it, if they had it, you'd be in the cell next to him right now. Visiting his house is no crime on your part, a guest is not to blame for the actions of the host. If they later search you on the street and find something on you, even a joint, they can and will hit your house within the hour. So don't be walking about with anything for a while, and keep the bare minimum in your house that you could flush, burn, or eat if you had to. If you are being watched by the drug squad, wait a month. Without any results after about a month, they likely wont get approved for anymore overtime on you lol.
 
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Did they arrest him at the time and if so,what was he charged with ?
Yes arrested him, I can't remember exact charges but was bailed the same day,

They took some cash but that is all legit from poker winnings which can be proven quite easily via the casino.
 
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This was my initial thought, but they only have a very minimal amount of equipment, no pots etc to suggest the amount of plants grown/amounts grown etc.

So any cultivation charge would literally just be for 2 oz worth? As there's no evidence for there being any more than that grown?
Here, in America, the authorities will charge a person with everything they can think of, doesn't mean it will stick but it suits their purpose.
To the law...2 ozs. is a lot for 1 person and they don't really differentiate between trim and bud.
 
Graham.Bagg

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Here is how it would play out in my jurisdiction. Yours will obviously be different, probably with some overlap.

-The owner of the house (be it your friend or not) will be charged with cultivation and their property (house and land) will be up for civil asset forfeiture. This means they can (and do) take your house, land, vehicles, electronics and anything else they can “connect” to the crime.

-If there were notes, pictures, grow books, or just about anything related to growing, you will get hit with a “sophisticated operation” charge, which increases the penalty.

-2 zips isn’t much to us, but a lot to Jonny Lawman. Expect your buddy to get hit with possession with intent to distribute, especially if they found more than 1 container.

-you, can be charged with conspiracy to commit crime as well as being an accomplice to an actual crime. Especially if they find your social media posts disclosing full knowledge of the grow.

-any equipment found, even if it wasn’t used for growing, but “could have” been utilized for growing, will be taken, the more equipment they gather, the more impressive it looks for the TV cameras sitting atop a table surrounded by smiling pork.

- any weapons found inside the house, even a kitchen knife not in a block or drawer will likely also be confiscated and tied to the grow op.

-if you are within a certain distance of protected buildings (schools, churches, .GOV buildings, etc.) penalties may be increased.

10-15 years ago, all of this would have happened 100% where I live, fortunately some semblance of sanity is taking over. Today, if it happened around here, as long as you are not growing next to a church/school, or get caught slinging, you are looking at just a loss of product, and unless your attitude is shit, or you have an active grow, you would keep your equipment, lose your stash, and pay a $200 ticket.
 
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OP needs to get on a UK board. Few here are going to know anything about the UK and how shit goes down. I got busted and got ground up in the system in draconian Oklahoma back in the mid 1980's. Morons wanted to put me away for 40 years min. But I worked the system with tons of support from the community at large. People from all walks of life getting after the DA and Judge. Ended up with 30 days in jail two years probation, massive fines and attorney fee's and after probation wiped clean from my record. The poor sot they busted after me had no community support, new to the area lost everything and went to the pen for 20 years. For one plant. I had six. They made him pay for me and I was barred from helping him in anyway.
 
Justlovetogrow

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If the actual growing area was clean of leaf n shit then it will only be a possession charge unless he puts himself in by talking to much a good lawyer will have him growing veggies in there in no time no comment always to all questions regarding anything untill a lawyer is present. As for you don’t think it’s worth their time after only finding 2 zips I could be wrong though👍
 
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Different countries and different laws so be hard to say exactly.

They will charge someone for whatever they can, then they can offer a plea bargain. They will say they will drop this charge, this charge, and this charge if you plead guilty to this charge.

Did they find any scales with residue on them? If so that could automatically be possession with intent to distribute, especially because of the bag of trim. If the trim had thc in it, and depending on content, that could be enough for possession regardless of having actual buds, trichomes have thc and trim has trichomes.
The plant is not illegal, the thc it produces is.

Did they find any plant matter or trim where the equipment was?
 
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Different countries and different laws so be hard to say exactly.

They will charge someone for whatever they can, then they can offer a plea bargain. They will say they will drop this charge, this charge, and this charge if you plead guilty to this charge.

Did they find any scales with residue on them? If so that could automatically be possession with intent to distribute, especially because of the bag of trim. If the trim had thc in it, and depending on content, that could be enough for possession regardless of having actual buds, trichomes have thc and trim has trichomes.
The plant is not illegal, the thc it produces is.

Did they find any plant matter or trim where the equipment was?
Yeah everything was in the garage, so it's pretty obvious there was a grow there. in his interview he said he let his friend store things in there so is pleading ignorance, no scales were found and he doesn't sell so only evidence that would suggest intent to supply is the cash but that can all be explained as legitimate income as I've posted above.

If they try a cultivation charge, surely they would have to know how much he was growing to come up with a suitable charge? Or is it just a blanket "cultivation charge" for any amount?
 
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disektikus

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Thanks guys been some good insight here, I'll keep you all updated if anybody is interested, as someone stated Its probably best I find a UK board to ask this questas most of you seem to be from America and you guys get the book thrown at you with drug charges ha luckily here it's no where near as bad!

Thanks for your help and does anyone have any suggestions for a UK board I could post this on?

Thanks!
 
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disektikus

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Here is how it would play out in my jurisdiction. Yours will obviously be different, probably with some overlap.

-The owner of the house (be it your friend or not) will be charged with cultivation and their property (house and land) will be up for civil asset forfeiture. This means they can (and do) take your house, land, vehicles, electronics and anything else they can “connect” to the crime.

-If there were notes, pictures, grow books, or just about anything related to growing, you will get hit with a “sophisticated operation” charge, which increases the penalty.

-2 zips isn’t much to us, but a lot to Jonny Lawman. Expect your buddy to get hit with possession with intent to distribute, especially if they found more than 1 container.

-you, can be charged with conspiracy to commit crime as well as being an accomplice to an actual crime. Especially if they find your social media posts disclosing full knowledge of the grow.

-any equipment found, even if it wasn’t used for growing, but “could have” been utilized for growing, will be taken, the more equipment they gather, the more impressive it looks for the TV cameras sitting atop a table surrounded by smiling pork.

- any weapons found inside the house, even a kitchen knife not in a block or drawer will likely also be confiscated and tied to the grow op.

-if you are within a certain distance of protected buildings (schools, churches, .GOV buildings, etc.) penalties may be increased.

10-15 years ago, all of this would have happened 100% where I live, fortunately some semblance of sanity is taking over. Today, if it happened around here, as long as you are not growing next to a church/school, or get caught slinging, you are looking at just a loss of product, and unless your attitude is shit, or you have an active grow, you would keep your equipment, lose your stash, and pay a $200 ticket.
Man you get it hard in the US! Haha
 
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Hi, not sure if this is the right place to post but just after a bit of insight from anyone who can shed some light.

Worth mentioning im in the UK so laws in your country may not be relevant.

My friend has just had his house raided by the police today, the grow was harvested and finished a month or so ago so all they found was grow equipment (literally 2 lights, 2 wilma reservoirs and a fan, everything else had been moved elsewhere) and a bag of about 2oz worth of dust/trim.

He has pretty much definitely lost his job over this due to what he does for a living (id rather not go into what he actually does) but he's worried about what criminal charges he may receive.

Am I right in thinking the grow equipment is not illegal to own, but the bag of trim and dust will be used as a charge for possession?

He doesn't sell it as the grow was quite small so there's no evidence for an intent to supply charge I don't think.

Is he likey to be charged with just possession or with he ger a cultivation charge too?


Second point is related to me. I have been there multiple times giving him a hand with thr whole process and have recently started renting a house from him (all legitimate) within the last month. Should I also expect my new flat to be raided? Almost certain there's footage from ma neighbours camera of my car or at very least the nosey neighbor (probably the one who reported the grow) knows my registration number.

Thanks for any help and apologies if this is in the wrong place, it's my first post on here ha
Yeah I went to prison for 2 black bags full of shade leaf in wales system is gone you may be OK now though they're throwing everyone out of prison to put people in there over fb posts so you should be sound ...
 
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Hi, not sure if this is the right place to post but just after a bit of insight from anyone who can shed some light.

Worth mentioning im in the UK so laws in your country may not be relevant.

My friend has just had his house raided by the police today, the grow was harvested and finished a month or so ago so all they found was grow equipment (literally 2 lights, 2 wilma reservoirs and a fan, everything else had been moved elsewhere) and a bag of about 2oz worth of dust/trim.

He has pretty much definitely lost his job over this due to what he does for a living (id rather not go into what he actually does) but he's worried about what criminal charges he may receive.

Am I right in thinking the grow equipment is not illegal to own, but the bag of trim and dust will be used as a charge for possession?

He doesn't sell it as the grow was quite small so there's no evidence for an intent to supply charge I don't think.

Is he likey to be charged with just possession or with he ger a cultivation charge too?


Second point is related to me. I have been there multiple times giving him a hand with thr whole process and have recently started renting a house from him (all legitimate) within the last month. Should I also expect my new flat to be raided? Almost certain there's footage from ma neighbours camera of my car or at very least the nosey neighbor (probably the one who reported the grow) knows my registration number.

Thanks for any help and apologies if this is in the wrong place, it's my first post on here ha
Lawyer up
 
Graham.Bagg

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Thanks for your help and does anyone have any suggestions for a UK board I could post this on?

Thanks!
Percy’s


As an aside, some of this is not making sense. If he didn’t sell, and had a small op, who dropped the dime?

You stated you thought it was a neighbor, be on this side of the pond, there is almost zero chance of obtaining a warrant because a neighbor “thinks” something untoward is going down.

If it were me, I would be looking at who else knew about grow, and if they have been jammed up lately and offered up your friend as an out.

Percy’s motto if you do not want to get caught is

“No smell, no sell, no tell. “

Words I’ve lived by in the real world for going on 30 years.
 

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