pre-grow questions (organic coco coir)

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I've been studying about growing off and on since about 2016 and have been studying it pretty deeply in my spare time the past few weeks, but i still ended up with a few questions that don't seem like they were perfectly answered.

I'll be growing 2 royal gorilla autos and 2 jock horror autos with coco coir in fabric pots and have perlite, worm castings(1-0-0), insect frass (3-1-1) to mix with it, with bone meal (3-15-0) on the way, and for flowering i have incredible bulk and advanced nutrients overdrive. I have calimag to add as needed and and will be adding mykos when i can. I'm planning on keeping everything organic and I'm starting off with 2 bestva 145w LEDs (not the best i know) and will later be getting viparspectra 2023 XS3000 Pro (300w actual) and will move to using the bestva's as supplemental side lighting most likely. The grow tent is 5ft X 5ft X 6 1/2ft. I already know to prime coco with calimag.

my main questions would be;

1: the mycorrhizae supplement (mykos) says to continue adding throughout whole growth cycle. how do I add once the roots start filling in without disrupting the roots? i have also read not to till or bother the soil too much (especially or autoflowers) as this can stress the plant and disrupt the microbiome down there. What i got is granules, but can I just add it to the watering schedule anyways?

2: Curtains. I have pure white, thick curtains I can hang up inside the tent, as for 4 autoflowers the whole 5x5ft space isnt likely to be completely filled. Would it be a good idea to set up the curtains as about a 3x3 area inside the tent for max light reflection, or would this likely disrupt airflow and create heat pockets and such to a point that it would defeat the purpose?

3: Nute amounts. So i've seen that for autoflowers, you use less nutes; though with coco coir, you use more. what is likely to be a good middle ground to balance it out?

Also, as autoflowers have a remarkably short veg period, should I add much less insect frass? If I accidentally added too much nitrogen, since this is organic would it still have a chance of stunting flower growth?

4: I got 5 gallon pots; Reasoning for this was because i was going to plant two plants to a pot to be able to condense the grow for space, but now I've decided against it. is 5 gallons entirely too big for autos? should I just mix in extra perlite or something or should I just roll down the tops of the pots to make them closer to 2-3 gallons? If i just give the roots a shitton of mykos is it likely the autos could grow to fill up their 5 gallon pots?

5:I didn't think of this until now but what should I put under my pots to allow better drainage than just letting them sit on the floor?

6: as overdrive by advanced nutrients i've read has humic acid in it, should I add a little bit during early flowering or something just for them to get the humic acid? thats good at any point of the grow, i've read.
 
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bornakang

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also just wondering if, in addition to ventilation and an inline fan, Ill have any need of an oscillating fan too. I feel like the vents and inline fan will keep things moving pretty well already, but if it would be beneficial enough to the plants, i'll consider getting a good oscillating fan too
 
JohnBlazr

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I’m sure you can top dress the myco or make a “tea”

No curtains, sounds like a fire or mold waiting to happen. Also, there’s never such thing as “ too much space” in a tent. Best case scenario you’ll be able to walk/crawl around the motherfuckers a bit and itll still get right to work with.

Not sure about the other questions because I don’t grow autos

5.Let the pots sit on golf balls in a saucer like @GNick55
 
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also just wondering if, in addition to ventilation and an inline fan, Ill have any need of an oscillating fan too. I feel like the vents and inline fan will keep things moving pretty well already, but if it would be beneficial enough to the plants, i'll consider getting a good oscillating fan too
Should definitely get an oscillating fan
 
Imzzaudae

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I read your first post and my head is still spinning.

The first thing you need to do is decide weather you want to grow in coco as a hydroponic.
Like this.

Or you want to grow a more traditional organic grow.
Like this

Or Use a home made organic super soil with the ingredients you have ordered.

Pick one. I read your first post, You need to re think a few thing.

If you try and mix them all together as you describe in your first post your going to blow a lot of money and end up with nothing but dead plants.
 
bornakang

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I read your first post and my head is still spinning.

The first thing you need to do is decide weather you want to grow in coco as a hydroponic.
Like this.

Or you want to grow a more traditional organic grow.
Like this

Or Use a home made organic super soil with the ingredients you have ordered.

Pick one. I read your first post, You need to re think a few thing.

If you try and mix them all together as you describe in your first post your going to blow a lot of money and end up with nothing but dead plants.
the homemade organic super soil would be the option im going for. I went for coco coir before i realized just how much goes into it, but i like the idea of it a lot so i decided to just continue learning about it and base my whole grow around it instead of returning it and getting something different. Ive read some of the stuff off coco for cannabis.

what were the main things you think i need to rethink?
 
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bornakang

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I read your first post and my head is still spinning.

The first thing you need to do is decide weather you want to grow in coco as a hydroponic.
Like this.

Or you want to grow a more traditional organic grow.
Like this

Or Use a home made organic super soil with the ingredients you have ordered.

Pick one. I read your first post, You need to re think a few thing.

If you try and mix them all together as you describe in your first post your going to blow a lot of money and end up with nothing but dead plants.
wait... i watched the videos, now im confused. Why is the first video strategy (preparing the coco with perlite and then buffering solution) considered a different approach from creating a super 'soil'? if people can add perlite to most any soil, why would adding perlite to coco and preparing it how they instruct be incompatible with adding nutritional soil amendments?
 
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bornakang

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I read your first post and my head is still spinning.

The first thing you need to do is decide weather you want to grow in coco as a hydroponic.
Like this.

Or you want to grow a more traditional organic grow.
Like this

Or Use a home made organic super soil with the ingredients you have ordered.

Pick one. I read your first post, You need to re think a few thing.

If you try and mix them all together as you describe in your first post your going to blow a lot of money and end up with nothing but dead plants.
maybe if i phrased it better itd make more sense... Im using a coco/perlite/worm castings base, at about 60% coco, 30% perlite, 10% castings. Ill add a small amount of insect frass just to get them through the short auto veg period and let them get the benefits of chitin, while also adding some bonemeal to kickstart early flowering. from week 5/6-finish though, Ill be using hte liquid ferts just like as if it were hydroponics. Ive looked pretty deeply into all the things im adding and I dont see any reason this would be a problem. Ive also seen grows on growdiaries and posts on here where people did something of the sort of what im doing and had good results. Was that the main issue you were having with the plan and if so what do you think it is i am overlooking?
 
Imzzaudae

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If you take coco wash and buffer it properly. Add perlite, you have a very good hydroponic medium. But it is void of any microbial life.
It's dead. The thing is that plants cannot eat worm castings. There may be water soluble minerals in the castings that become available but it's not going to be enough Adding Frass will do little if nothing, Adding bone meal requires microbes in the soil to break the bone meal down over a couple of months in order to make it's Nitrogen, calcium and Phosphorus available to the plants. With an auto you need to have it in the ground 2 months ahead of the seedling. And there are no microbes in your recipe to break down any of your organic amendments. I'd really like you to have a great grow but what you are doing makes no sense to me at all.

I'm trying not to be mean and hope you will take a look at a few better options.
There are super easy ways to grow great autos like this.
 
bornakang

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And there are no microbes in your recipe to break down any of your organic amendments.
I did say I'd be adding mycorrhizae from the very beginning, which is a type of microbe. Worm castings are also a powerhouse of beneficial microbes from what I've read, and part of the reason I chose to add a good amount of worm castings to the base was because of that. worm tea also, I've read, is a good source of microbes without having to saturate your plants with nutes as much. Insect frass I just saw, also has a good dose of microbes (although i likely wont be adding enough of this for it to make a big difference). All of that Id assume should be enough microbes to get the job done; i will be letting the mix sit and settle about a week before planting anything too.

Bone meal may or may not break down enough in time, but I've read differing opinions; some have said about half of it is likely to be broken down within a month with the right microbes, and that would be perfect as autos start pre-flowering within about a month, and are known for also needing roughly half the nutes of photoperiods. Either way though, remember that I have Advanced Nutrients Overdrive which is high in potassium, so should the bone meal not be broken down in time, I can supplement with a bit of that during preflowering too.

insect frass I've read breaks down rather quickly, so that wouldnt be a problem.
 
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4: I got 5 gallon pots; Reasoning for this was because i was going to plant two plants to a pot to be able to condense the grow for space, but now I've decided against it. is 5 gallons entirely too big for autos? should I just mix in extra perlite or something or should I just roll down the tops of the pots to make them closer to 2-3 gallons? If i just give the roots a shitton of mykos is it likely the autos could grow to fill up their 5 gallon pots?
for anyone joining the thread at this point, this is my only remaining question; 3 gallon or 5 gallon pots? Everything else was answered in the thread, or just by my browsing the forum
 
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