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Hi,
Looking to get my first grow in DWC.
Some say pbp has an odd burnt aftertaste, and on another forum someone said it produces horrible tasting herbs.. hay smell. In that case it'd looked like he tried it all, from flushing methods to curing to RO water, or at least he swore he did. Where that thread left off was "maybe there's too much N", and despite all his flushing his leaves were always green.
There's a few things I'd really like to avoid. One of which is producing buds that all taste the same from strain to strain. It seems to me like people defending pbp for producing fine tasty buds that don't all taste alike are also making use of additives like cha ching or equivalent. That seems to be a direct contradiction of their position? Why use flavor enhancers with pure blend pro if pure blend pro produces a fine tasting product by itself..?
I see others swearing by the basics. Some part pbp grow + some part pbp bloom, while saying all the additives didn't add to their yield, but then they don't speak of actual quality like taste or potency either. It also seems like that kind of a mix, where I think it ended flowering with 1:3 ration of grow/bloorm, would be rather high in N.
So I'd like to avoid that "hay" effect from too much N throughout bloom, and having them all taste the same. Another effect that I absolutely must avoid is too much P.
I once had the great misfortune of some beasters that sparkled and crackled as they burnt. The great side effect of that was to wake up in the middle of the night feeling like the back edge of an axe had been burried in my skull with the most intense crippling pain imaginable. It sucked, not your normal headache at all.
So while I see a lot of people using cha ching, I look at that and see 0N-50P.. noo thanks. I don't at all know at what point one risks that type of a result where it starts to spark and you wake up wishing you were dead but I'd rather not push that limit to find out. So as funny as it sounds I'm a little weary of all the bloom boosters for that reason, other than the ones like gravity that are known poison.
I hear the only way to guarantee full micros is with cal mag and hydroplex, which many people seem to think works well for frosting it over too. That's really very expensive stuff though.
Alternatively as a bloom booster previous recipies from botanicare employed pbp bloom only for the transition period, which by the ratios it does seem to be a transition period product from what I can tell, and then swap to bloom soil for the rest. Seems to be a big "fail" in their marketing bs for the bloom "hydro" when you look at that, but nobody seems to call them out on it.
I kind of have to assume that when I see people that use 1:1 grow/bloom through transition and then 1:3 grow/bloom through flowering, they are indeed using bloom "soil", and perhaps leaving that crucial part of information out?
So I'm wondering if I can get the result I'm after by skipping the "bloom hydro" and just getting "bloom soil". I'd mix it 1:1 with pbp grow through transition, skipping hydroplex and maybe using liquid karma and sweet raw.
Or would that leave me with a deficiency since I'm using RO water, that hydroplex would help with?
I was thinking of getting additional silica blast for pH up, as well as earth juice natural ph controller up/down.
How's that sound? Any tips?
Also, any info advice on doing "partial change-outs" to maintain beneficials? Could that be self defeating?
Lastly, I am not getting a chiller, there's no way in hell that I"ll be doing frozen bottles, and I'm kind of worried about temps already. CMH light supposedly doesn't radiat heat like HPS and that's what I'll be using. I'll also tape up the buckets with reflective tape, but the air pumps will be introducing warm air.
I was looking at 2X GH dual diaphragm pumps, each feeding a large airstone, so 2 stones per bucket.
I don't know if that'll be enough airflow vs heat to keep the nasty away.
What I would be willing to do is to get a cheap cooler, fill it with ice water and coil up the air hose through that. That could be made fairly efficient if splice a section of copper tubing into the airline and coil it up in the cooler which would drastically improve heat transfer.
Or should I just scrap all that crazy and get maxibloom/gro and see what bunk comes from it?
Thanks
Looking to get my first grow in DWC.
Some say pbp has an odd burnt aftertaste, and on another forum someone said it produces horrible tasting herbs.. hay smell. In that case it'd looked like he tried it all, from flushing methods to curing to RO water, or at least he swore he did. Where that thread left off was "maybe there's too much N", and despite all his flushing his leaves were always green.
There's a few things I'd really like to avoid. One of which is producing buds that all taste the same from strain to strain. It seems to me like people defending pbp for producing fine tasty buds that don't all taste alike are also making use of additives like cha ching or equivalent. That seems to be a direct contradiction of their position? Why use flavor enhancers with pure blend pro if pure blend pro produces a fine tasting product by itself..?
I see others swearing by the basics. Some part pbp grow + some part pbp bloom, while saying all the additives didn't add to their yield, but then they don't speak of actual quality like taste or potency either. It also seems like that kind of a mix, where I think it ended flowering with 1:3 ration of grow/bloorm, would be rather high in N.
So I'd like to avoid that "hay" effect from too much N throughout bloom, and having them all taste the same. Another effect that I absolutely must avoid is too much P.
I once had the great misfortune of some beasters that sparkled and crackled as they burnt. The great side effect of that was to wake up in the middle of the night feeling like the back edge of an axe had been burried in my skull with the most intense crippling pain imaginable. It sucked, not your normal headache at all.
So while I see a lot of people using cha ching, I look at that and see 0N-50P.. noo thanks. I don't at all know at what point one risks that type of a result where it starts to spark and you wake up wishing you were dead but I'd rather not push that limit to find out. So as funny as it sounds I'm a little weary of all the bloom boosters for that reason, other than the ones like gravity that are known poison.
I hear the only way to guarantee full micros is with cal mag and hydroplex, which many people seem to think works well for frosting it over too. That's really very expensive stuff though.
Alternatively as a bloom booster previous recipies from botanicare employed pbp bloom only for the transition period, which by the ratios it does seem to be a transition period product from what I can tell, and then swap to bloom soil for the rest. Seems to be a big "fail" in their marketing bs for the bloom "hydro" when you look at that, but nobody seems to call them out on it.
I kind of have to assume that when I see people that use 1:1 grow/bloom through transition and then 1:3 grow/bloom through flowering, they are indeed using bloom "soil", and perhaps leaving that crucial part of information out?
So I'm wondering if I can get the result I'm after by skipping the "bloom hydro" and just getting "bloom soil". I'd mix it 1:1 with pbp grow through transition, skipping hydroplex and maybe using liquid karma and sweet raw.
Or would that leave me with a deficiency since I'm using RO water, that hydroplex would help with?
I was thinking of getting additional silica blast for pH up, as well as earth juice natural ph controller up/down.
How's that sound? Any tips?
Also, any info advice on doing "partial change-outs" to maintain beneficials? Could that be self defeating?
Lastly, I am not getting a chiller, there's no way in hell that I"ll be doing frozen bottles, and I'm kind of worried about temps already. CMH light supposedly doesn't radiat heat like HPS and that's what I'll be using. I'll also tape up the buckets with reflective tape, but the air pumps will be introducing warm air.
I was looking at 2X GH dual diaphragm pumps, each feeding a large airstone, so 2 stones per bucket.
I don't know if that'll be enough airflow vs heat to keep the nasty away.
What I would be willing to do is to get a cheap cooler, fill it with ice water and coil up the air hose through that. That could be made fairly efficient if splice a section of copper tubing into the airline and coil it up in the cooler which would drastically improve heat transfer.
Or should I just scrap all that crazy and get maxibloom/gro and see what bunk comes from it?
Thanks