root issues

[Aqua Man]

keep the tinse ? dumped that already :) you saying rinse it each day for the next 3 ?

gonna go with the h202 at the 1 ml per ever few days in the res.. seen a couple spot on the inter web that says that only lasts for a day .. i’m keeping an eye on for today and tomorrow and then leaving for 3 days so i’m gonna switch out res before i leave hope when i get back no more rinsing.. thanks again for your time. for this fresh dwc noob

No problem. Yep do the rinse every 24 hrs for 3 days and treat the res every 3 days. The h2o2 your right doesn't last long but treating every 3 days should be plenty to kill and keep any bacteria from becoming an issue.

 

[bigmikeyg]

No problem. Yep do the rinse every 24 hrs for 3 days and treat the res every 3 days. The h2o2 your right doesn't last long but treating every 3 days should be plenty to kill and keep any bacteria from becoming an issue.

so just a fyi

the roots were staring to darken again today .. no where near as bad as the first pictures .. just not as nice as the second set..so i again did the rinse and massage ... leavening till sunday :( chaning res out today adding . the 1 ml per gallon today and will hope they aren’t to bad on sunday and if they are start the rinsing again..

 

[Aqua Man]

so just a fyi

the roots were staring to darken again today .. no where near as bad as the first pictures .. just not as nice as the second set..so i again did the rinse and massage ... leavening till sunday :( chaning res out today adding . the 1 ml per gallon today and will hope they aren’t to bad on sunday and if they are start the rinsing again..

Sounds good... It will be fine. If your res temps were like 75 I would say otherwise. It will take a few rinses to get it under control. It's not as fast or effective as hydrogaurd. Just have to keep chipping away at it till it's beat.

 

[Aqua Man]

so just a fyi

the roots were staring to darken again today .. no where near as bad as the first pictures .. just not as nice as the second set..so i again did the rinse and massage ... leavening till sunday :( chaning res out today adding . the 1 ml per gallon today and will hope they aren’t to bad on sunday and if they are start the rinsing again..

Have anyone you could just measure out the h2o2 for and have em dump it in for ya?

 

[bigmikeyg]

Have anyone you could just measure out the h2o2 for and have em dump it in for ya?

i was thinking of getting my wife to do it but i dunno ... guess with a gallon and the 15 ml if she pours it in she could ...

 

[Aqua Man]

i was thinking of getting my wife to do it but i dunno ... guess with a gallon and the 15 ml if she pours it in she could ...

Yeah just put 15 ml in a small container and a gallon beside it. Ask her to put A in B and then add to C and you are covered.

 

[bigmikeyg]

@Aqua Man hey my man .. been dosing with the h202 ever couple days ... as of recently this has shown up you think it’s from the h202 or maybe something else ?

ordered hydroguard from states picking it up thursday ..

just a refresher
ro 15 gal
45ml cali magic
then 15 ml of 29%
120 ab of connoisseur ph perfect
ppm around 800

 

[Aqua Man]

@Aqua Man hey my man .. been dosing with the h202 ever couple days ... as of recently this has shown up you think it’s from the h202 or maybe something else ?

ordered hydroguard from states picking it up thursday ..

just a refresher
ro 15 gal
45ml cali magic
then 15 ml of 29%
120 ab of connoisseur ph perfect
ppm around 800

Nope I doubt from the h2o2 how much are you using?

Stop the cal mag though. Those nutes are designed for RO and adding any supplement even cal mag can throw them out a whack.

 

[bigmikeyg]

Nope I doubt from the h2o2 how much are you using?

Stop the cal mag though. Those nutes are designed for RO and adding any supplement even cal mag can throw them out a whack.

okdokie .. i shall remove the cal mag ..

the h202 is 15 ml per 15 gal ever second day .. if not the rot returns

did another 3 day rinse and wash and it still is coming back ... that’s why the hydroguard :)

 

[Aqua Man]

okdokie .. i shall remove the cal mag ..

the h202 is 15 ml per 15 gal ever second day .. if not the rot returns

did another 3 day rinse and wash and it still is coming back ... that’s why the hydroguard :)

Yeah I feel you right on track keep the fight up until hydrogaurd gets there bro

 

[Vondank420]

I will check on that h202 but i think at 29% its 1 ml per gal. also with that strength be very very carefuland wear gloves and glasses

You can go to 500ppms of h2o2 29%
5ml /gal or close ( someone can do the math quick) but 500 is safe......
BUT **** H2O2 is an oxidizer not sterilizer. One molecule of o2 split to attach to organic matter and one o2 to increase DO.
Levels drop faster than you can apply ( exaggeration) but its fast.
Now chlorine is a sterilizer and has been used in commercial greenhouse production for years with controlled dosing of 3% or less. Would I use straight chlorine??? Nope, but what I would use is a destabilized molecule of chlorine---- UCROOTS---RezClear are 2 brands.
The guys here can answer this but hydrogard is made from fermented chicken manure. ???Great stuff as already mentioned by these fine growers here.
I'm a big fan of rhizotonic( will NOT get rid of established root rot) but used befor and RR doesnt stand a chance and cannot establish itself. Dont use chlorine products with the others
Keep rocking bro

 

[FourthCity]

50 ml per hydrozyme

If you meant "hygrozyme" in my use I found it consistently caused darker buildups and staining on the the roots but it wasn't clear to me if it was some kind of infection or even effecting growth. If you look on the amazon reviews and research this product on various sites you will see multiple mentions of the same thing with some people saying it is normal. I stopped using it years ago after trying one bottle, it was too hard to diagnose if there was a legitimate issue or not and it didnt appear to be helping at all.

 

[Aqua Man]

You can go to 500ppms of h2o2 29%
5ml /gal or close ( someone can do the math quick) but 500 is safe......
BUT **** H2O2 is an oxidizer not sterilizer. One molecule of o2 split to attach to organic matter and one o2 to increase DO.
Levels drop faster than you can apply ( exaggeration) but its fast.
Now chlorine is a sterilizer and has been used in commercial greenhouse production for years with controlled dosing of 3% or less. Would I use straight chlorine??? Nope, but what I would use is a destabilized molecule of chlorine---- UCROOTS---RezClear are 2 brands.
The guys here can answer this but hydrogard is made from fermented chicken manure. ???Great stuff as already mentioned by these fine growers here.
I'm a big fan of rhizotonic( will NOT get rid of established root rot) but used befor and RR doesnt stand a chance and cannot establish itself. Dont use chlorine products with the others
Keep rocking bro

No way in hell would I add 5ml per gal of 29% h2o2 I'm not sure where you got that info. Maybe for a dip? By sterile I mean it's killing the bacteria. Now it does dicipate quickly but dosing every 3 days is enough for what is generally referred to as a sterile res.

 

[bigmikeyg]

No way in hell would I add 5ml per gal of 29% h2o2 I'm not sure where you got that info. Maybe for a dip? By sterile I mean it's killing the bacteria. Now it does dicipate quickly but dosing every 3 days is enough for what is generally referred to as a sterile res.

when i did the rinse at 2.5 per i would leave the plant just chilling in there for a few before working the roots and it’s seemed like to be pretty aggressive on the roots just for the soak ... meaning ... i would pul the plant out and back and forth couple times after the soak and there were more than a few roots just chillin in the bucket ...

 

[bigmikeyg]

ok .. so .. switched out rez yesterday and added 2 ml per gallon of
hydro guard and the roots are worse 24 hours later :( .. egad man this sucks

 

[Aqua Man]

ok .. so .. switched out rez yesterday and added 2 ml per gallon of
hydro guard and the roots are worse 24 hours later :( .. egad man this sucks

Ok you need to clean those roots thoroughly so the hydrogaurd can do its thing. Get all that dark brown off in a rinse then add double dose and pour over the top. Use double dose in the res after. Lower the light intensity raise the humidity and lower your ppm to 300 max then expect some disfigured leaves and stunting. Need to make this easier on the plant. Light drives growth and demand on the roots so need to reduce it. Higher humidity will also lower demand on roots. Lowering the ppm will prevent damage roots from being burned.

It's advanced root rot now. So double the hydrogaurd in the res.

 

[bigmikeyg]

Ok you need to clean those roots thoroughly so the hydrogaurd can do its thing. Get all that dark brown off in a rinse then add double dose and pour over the top. Use double dose in the res after. Lower the light intensity raise the humidity and lower your ppm to 300 max then expect some disfigured leaves and stunting. Need to make this easier on the plant. Light drives growth and demand on the roots so need to reduce it. Higher humidity will also lower demand on roots. Lowering the ppm will prevent damage roots from being burned.

It's advanced root rot now. So double the hydrogaurd in the res.

ok thanks for the tips .. when you say clean .. with just water or maybe the h2o2 and water?

when you say double dose over top just water and 4ml per gallon (double label rate ) threw the clay pelts and let drain ?

then drain rez and start again. after the clean and double label rate for the hydroguard and lower nutes in rez

and the light and humidity is the easy part :)

 

[Aqua Man]

ok thanks for the tips .. when you say clean .. with just water or maybe the h2o2 and water?

when you say double dose over top just water and 4ml per gallon (double label rate ) threw the clay pelts and let drain ?

then drain rez and start again. after the clean and double label rate for the hydroguard and lower nutes in rez

and the light and humidity is the easy part :)

You got it. Yes it would not be back to do 2ml/gal of h202 to rinse the roots. If some fall off that's to be expected. Have to be a bit more aggressive now and no guarantee they will make it but if there is a way this is it.

 

[bigmikeyg]

You got it. Yes it would not be back to do 2ml/gal of h202 to rinse the roots. If some fall off that's to be expected. Have to be a bit more aggressive now and no guarantee they will make it but if there is a way this is it.

there was barely any yesterday .. before rez swap and hydroguard :(

 

[Aqua Man]

there was barely any yesterday .. before rez swap and hydroguard :(

Yeah it's gonna take a few days but hydrogaurd will actually kill it in the root. Which may be why it's such a change. The h2o2 doesn't kill infected root tissue hydrogaurd does.