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first, it's not a myth that genetic mutations will occur eventually. that will happen in the mother from see plant too, eventually, though.
it is a solid maybe, and likely for either. so, you won't get a solid answer that can apply to your specific situation. you can observe and react, or if it came from somewhere else, you can query that source for information that may or may not help.
because of this unpredictability caused by numerous factors mentioned already in this thread, anecdotal evidence (a.k.a. a logical fallacy) can easily be found supporting both sides of the argument. it should be ignored. that's why it's a logical fallacy. it is meaningless on its own and at best correlates but does not cause a thing. not that sharing anecdotal information isn't a good thing, but it can lead you astray easily.
genetic flaws accumulate over time for various reason. it doesn't even have to be x-rays (lol!). Also, without meiosis, you do not get any genetic recombination, either. allowing this to be the root for reproduciton avoids many of the potential problems, but adds randomness to what your end product will be -- even if its from a hermaphrodite.
yes, it is a clone, but it's the same age as the original mother plant. it's about how many times each cell has gone through mitosis. each time is an opportunity for a mutation. think about dolly the clone. it died young relative to its inception. it was old for its age based on various quantitative metrics. that's because it was essentially as old as the adult it was cloned from the moment it formed in a testube -- as far as age-related problems. this is less of a problem for plants than animals in similar contexts.
age matters... time matters. clone of a clone of a clone is not a sapling or young plant. the real question is whether regrowing from a cutting has an affect on mutations over time? if not, then it simply won't matter if it's from the mother or not... it's the same age realtive to # of times through mitosis (cell reproduction), which will be the same # as the mother from seed.
best way to predict is to know how old a plant can get... that'd tell you how robust it's 'kids' could potentially be.. but not it's cuttings, because again, the cutting are as old as the original mother from seed plant.
it will be a bit of genetics and pure random luck as far as how many generations you can go before you run into genetic mutations and degredation of the actual genetic infrastructure -- the physical parts over time -- that cause problems that matter. they are inevitable, if given enough time.
So, even the mother plant needs to reproduce. if hermaphroditic (?) reproduction, you'd want to limit the number of consecutive generations you did that too. not quite like dog breeding, because plants are simpler and can be inbred to a much greater extent than animals. meoisis will provide enough genetic variation for a while, i would assume. anyway, they won't be clones, but you get the minimum changes possible from sexual reproduction that way. as before... cull the weak and keep the strong. rinse and repeat.
i don't have a degree, but basically a minor in biology and chemistry. i do have other degrees, in case that alluded to me being a drop-out. organic chemistry was just fun, so i took it and same with microbiology. talk to a phD and they can refine what was said, but it'll be the same stuff, because that's how science works. the natural world has rules... these rules add up to predictable outcomes. if our tech was good enough, we could predict the future because all of life is one cascading domino of rections that have to turn out the way they turn out given all other factors -- which are also barreling through time in the same manner, lol, coincedentally interacting, or seemingly so to the human eye. free-will is a construct of your brain :p
anyway my guess is that the clones will run into problems roughly the same time as the mother plant starts to show problems -- variations will naturally occur and likely widely ranging lengths of time, even so.
best way to avoid... just don't clone a sickly looking plant -- whether mother or clone of a clone. you'd want to reproduce a new mother before genetic mutaions occur, too.... otherwise you are cloning problems.
if a mother looks sickly and a clone looks healthy, make a new mother from that healthier looking clone and kill the mother with the genetic mutation with potential problems.
no matter what, eventually it's getting plant alzheimercancer... :p
it is a solid maybe, and likely for either. so, you won't get a solid answer that can apply to your specific situation. you can observe and react, or if it came from somewhere else, you can query that source for information that may or may not help.
because of this unpredictability caused by numerous factors mentioned already in this thread, anecdotal evidence (a.k.a. a logical fallacy) can easily be found supporting both sides of the argument. it should be ignored. that's why it's a logical fallacy. it is meaningless on its own and at best correlates but does not cause a thing. not that sharing anecdotal information isn't a good thing, but it can lead you astray easily.
genetic flaws accumulate over time for various reason. it doesn't even have to be x-rays (lol!). Also, without meiosis, you do not get any genetic recombination, either. allowing this to be the root for reproduciton avoids many of the potential problems, but adds randomness to what your end product will be -- even if its from a hermaphrodite.
yes, it is a clone, but it's the same age as the original mother plant. it's about how many times each cell has gone through mitosis. each time is an opportunity for a mutation. think about dolly the clone. it died young relative to its inception. it was old for its age based on various quantitative metrics. that's because it was essentially as old as the adult it was cloned from the moment it formed in a testube -- as far as age-related problems. this is less of a problem for plants than animals in similar contexts.
age matters... time matters. clone of a clone of a clone is not a sapling or young plant. the real question is whether regrowing from a cutting has an affect on mutations over time? if not, then it simply won't matter if it's from the mother or not... it's the same age realtive to # of times through mitosis (cell reproduction), which will be the same # as the mother from seed.
best way to predict is to know how old a plant can get... that'd tell you how robust it's 'kids' could potentially be.. but not it's cuttings, because again, the cutting are as old as the original mother from seed plant.
it will be a bit of genetics and pure random luck as far as how many generations you can go before you run into genetic mutations and degredation of the actual genetic infrastructure -- the physical parts over time -- that cause problems that matter. they are inevitable, if given enough time.
So, even the mother plant needs to reproduce. if hermaphroditic (?) reproduction, you'd want to limit the number of consecutive generations you did that too. not quite like dog breeding, because plants are simpler and can be inbred to a much greater extent than animals. meoisis will provide enough genetic variation for a while, i would assume. anyway, they won't be clones, but you get the minimum changes possible from sexual reproduction that way. as before... cull the weak and keep the strong. rinse and repeat.
i don't have a degree, but basically a minor in biology and chemistry. i do have other degrees, in case that alluded to me being a drop-out. organic chemistry was just fun, so i took it and same with microbiology. talk to a phD and they can refine what was said, but it'll be the same stuff, because that's how science works. the natural world has rules... these rules add up to predictable outcomes. if our tech was good enough, we could predict the future because all of life is one cascading domino of rections that have to turn out the way they turn out given all other factors -- which are also barreling through time in the same manner, lol, coincedentally interacting, or seemingly so to the human eye. free-will is a construct of your brain :p
anyway my guess is that the clones will run into problems roughly the same time as the mother plant starts to show problems -- variations will naturally occur and likely widely ranging lengths of time, even so.
best way to avoid... just don't clone a sickly looking plant -- whether mother or clone of a clone. you'd want to reproduce a new mother before genetic mutaions occur, too.... otherwise you are cloning problems.
if a mother looks sickly and a clone looks healthy, make a new mother from that healthier looking clone and kill the mother with the genetic mutation with potential problems.
no matter what, eventually it's getting plant alzheimercancer... :p
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