Ssh, What Do People Think About It? Top Shelf Or Not?

[Bulldog11]

afgooey x SSH would be very nice if the genes lined up correctly in that mix.

 

[suomynona]

afgooey x SSH would be very nice if the genes lined up correctly in that mix.

Im gonna be picking a male from my ssh f2s and i have the norcal afgoo cut. Ill remember you when i do the f1 crosses buddy. That is if you would wanna check em out.

 

[Bulldog11]

Would LOVE to check those out. They would find a great home here at my farm. Thanks for the offer.

 

[Pimp T]

What Is True SSH Supposed To Smell And Taste Like?

 

[waayne]

What Is True SSH Supposed To Smell And Taste Like?

@Pimp T it depends on which pheno is selected... since it is a 3 way hybrid,phenos can show a wide range of traits,and terpene profiles......my favorite SSH had a skunky ,spicy, over ripe tropical fruit aroma.......

 

[Pimp T]

@waayne Everytime I Go To The East Coast The Strains Labeled As Hazes I Get Always Have A Metallic Type Skunky Taste Is This A Trait Of SSH?

 

[waayne]

@Pimp T the skunky taste is pretty common in the modern Haze hybrids,as Skunk and NL have been bred into it to make it commercially viable.I have found phenos that had that "metallic" part of your flavor description, and have had a slight metallic flavor along with the astringent,sandalwood, eucalyptus, citrus ,pine,spice,and otherworldly Haze terpenes....

This "metallic" flavor is different than the metallic/salt flavor you get from over fertilized herb....
And it is really not my thang ,as I always culled phenos that had this trait....

 

[slap14]

Thinking afgooey cross.

Bodhi's Snow Lotus is Afgooey X Blockhead I believe and she is a real beauty. Just finishing some Tranquil Elephantizer V2 from Bodhi. I'll let you know in a couple weeks ;).

One of my favorite strains right know is Rare Dankness's Doc's OG. I have a very nice pheno of her right now that i'm getting ready to run for the third time.

This thread is great, it gives me ideas for future runs.

Slap

 

[ohthatguy8]

I, ll tell you all what surprised me . that people thought the mr nice ssh was crap.(not that iv tried it).I mean shanti baba is the original breeder . who often do you see people preferring a copy over the original?not very often . If the mns ssh is so pish,how did it gain such a reputation and following?I never bothered with mns though I do hav respect for shanti baba for what he,s done for the weed game . and Howard Marks is a legend here in the UK . Although mns vend here you don't see many grow journals on theyr gear.

Nevil was the breeder of ssh. Shanti baba is said to have nevils breeding stock. Nevil never did any work at mr nice other than giving shanti his stock. I'd love a skunky spicy soaring high of a plant. Who knows maybe one day I'll crack the whole pack. If I can't find one out of 20 then they've lost they're original breeding stock.

 

[happy b]

Nevil was the breeder of ssh. Shanti baba is said to have nevils breeding stock. Nevil never did any work at mr nice other than giving shanti his stock. I'd love a skunky spicy soaring high of a plant. Who knows maybe one day I'll crack the whole pack. If I can't find one out of 20 then they've lost they're original breeding stock.

I stand corrected.My point is the mr nice ssh is (as far as I know)the original . Why is it suddenly so...undesirable .If Neville bred it what has shanti done to it?I mean it's practically theyr signature strain,you would think he would maintain higher standards . If someone like Neville handed me such fine stock I would do what I could to keep it . I wouldn't let it turn to hemp like a few people have reported.

 

[ohthatguy8]

I'm not saying it's not the original and I've never grown they're ssh. I believed they had the originals but I started with some of their cheaper gear like master kush x afghan haze And Neville haze mango. Nl5 x haze Master kush x skunk Then by the time I had bought ssh n mango haze be Neville haze I hadn't found a single good plant. I had 7 females of master kush skunk n all were weak n no type of kush. Nl5 was a yielder but smelled like lady bugs. Neville haze mango had me excited looked like the pics of the nice hazes. Just didn't get ya high. Maybe that's a clear high idk why people would want that? I was after the psychedelic cut threw any other weed type of high. I have 120 mango haze seeds from shanti I'm sure if I could plant them all I could find a nice keeper But I can plant a half pack from the homie mota and find a plant I never want to lose.

 

[ohthatguy8]

This is a post from nevil when he talked about making silver haze


Still a lot of questions about haze and apparently a lot of conflicting stories.
I haven't been paying attention to what Sam the Skunkman has been saying. He lost me years ago and if he wants to come out from behind his alias and go toe to toe with me, well that will be just fine with me (hey David).
If he is saying that he gave me Purple Haze and it was crap, Well that's true. If he is saying that his lime green Haze was crap , well that's true too. If he is saying that he gave me a Haze cutting, well to be honest, I can't remember, but if he did it was crap. I seem to recall that he entered his lime Haze in a Cup, if he did he got his arse kicked.
The Haze seeds I got from Sam were grown in America in 69/70. I got them in the mid 80's. All of my Haze came from these seeds of which I was saying I got 7 plants. I was hoping that Sam would come out with something good from his remaining seeds, he never did and to my knowledge, nor did anyone else. The only good haze that hit the market was from two males A and C.
Hz C male produced 5Hz1 which won a Cup or 2, this was a daughter of NL5 which won a cup. 5Hz1 when crossed with Sk1x HzC produced Silver Haze which won a Cup. Ben renamed it Jack Herrer. Somebody else renamed it Diesel. 5HzC X Sk1Hz C was not as good as 5Hz1. Mango Haze (5Hz122)is a full sister to 5Hz1 and these two were the best out of tens of thousands.
Haze A produced 5HzA2 (5A2) and was featured on the cover of the 1990 catalogue and is the mother of Nevil's Haze, the father being HzC.
If you are smoking any good Haze, I'll bet you London to a brick that it comes from Haze A or Hz C or both

 

[happy b]

Nice find @ ohthatguy8.

 

[ohthatguy8]

Nice find @ ohthatguy8.

Call me a dork but when I was looking for a haze I did lots of "homework". I have pages of copied posts from nevil.

 

[happy b]

When I'm thinking about getting a particular strain I will always do a bit of investigating myself . You ARE a dork..a weed dork .I know I am . but that's a good thing for a grower to be IMO. I think the vast majority of farmers on here are too . It's just silly to give a strain a place in your room without checking it out a bit first . There's too many great strains available to waste time putting something your unsure of into your garden . I did that when I first started but when I realised just how precious a place is in my small grow room I started doing some digging on any strain that had caught my attention.

 

[ohthatguy8]

Nev.

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the addition of skunk makes for a stronger plant?
No. The addition of Skunk improves bud structure. SK1 is weak. It's the canary in the mine and is the first to be eaten by bugs. If you wished to breed spider mites SK1 is the ideal food.
N.



Still a lot of questions about haze and apparently a lot of conflicting stories.
I haven't been paying attention to what Sam the Skunkman has been saying. He lost me years ago and if he wants to come out from behind his alias and go toe to toe with me, well that will be just fine with me (hey David).
If he is saying that he gave me Purple Haze and it was crap, Well that's true. If he is saying that his lime green Haze was crap , well that's true too. If he is saying that he gave me a Haze cutting, well to be honest, I can't remember, but if he did it was crap. I seem to recall that he entered his lime Haze in a Cup, if he did he got his arse kicked.
The Haze seeds I got from Sam were grown in America in 69/70. I got them in the mid 80's. All of my Haze came from these seeds of which I was saying I got 7 plants. I was hoping that Sam would come out with something good from his remaining seeds, he never did and to my knowledge, nor did anyone else. The only good haze that hit the market was from two males A and C.
Hz C male produced 5Hz1 which won a Cup or 2, this was a daughter of NL5 which won a cup. 5Hz1 when crossed with Sk1x HzC produced Silver Haze which won a Cup. Ben renamed it Jack Herrer. Somebody else renamed it Diesel. 5HzC X Sk1Hz C was not as good as 5Hz1. Mango Haze (5Hz122)is a full sister to 5Hz1 and these two were the best out of tens of thousands.
Haze A produced 5HzA2 (5A2) and was featured on the cover of the 1990 catalogue and is the mother of Nevil's Haze, the father being HzC.
If you are smoking any good Haze, I'll bet you London to a brick that it comes from Haze A or Hz C or both!



I don't know what other seed breeders are doing, but let me ask you this?
If the '69 haze seeds grown in the U.S. is the only source of real haze, and I could only get 6 to germinate in 85/86. and Sam, for all his bluster, hasn't come up with the goods from the last of those seeds, how could anyone come up with viable seed in 2000?
I smoked Kali Mist It was nice, reminded me a lot of mine.


Hi Alegoblin
I haven't done any chemical analysis of the various strains. The most sensitive instrument yet devised to analyse cannabis is the human being (me). If I could smoke what seems to offer the most relief to your wife, I'm sure that we could breed something to amplify that effect. My memory banks have stored the whole Scala of smells, tastes and highs that I have encountered. I automatically "read" pedigrees as I smoke. It's a gift and a curse.
In my time I went through a lot of peoples seed collections, The best of which I put out there.
N.



I'd done a couple of Hawaiian Haze crosses. One was with a Hawaiian from Roger in N.Y. A bit of Indica in that one, huge yields.
The other was with a small seeded piney sweet Hawaiian Sativa. This was a true connoisseurs variety but few wanted to bother with it. J. in Breda really liked it and this guy had taste. Maybe Y.Sam has heard of it.
N.



I find this debate about whether I'm the real Nevil or not almost as amusing as those companies pretending that their stock is derived from another source than the genetics that I put out there. Right now we have a lot of people pretending indignation at the suggestion that their stock is not exclusive. Who is going to stand up and say that they have a gene pool free of Seed Bank stock. There are a handful, but for the most part,
I have been in all of your grow rooms.
I'll be the first to admit that every generation puts it's own stamp on the progeny and every breeder has a right to be proud of their achievements, but I haven't seen anything new for some time. If you build a lego house with Red,Green White and yellow blocks, somebody can tear it apart and build a new one, but it will still be a house with Red,Green White and yellow blocks, From a distance they all look the same. I didn't create those blocks, they were given to me by other people and they didn't create them either. A pedigree data base might take a lot of the bullshit out of this business and genetic fingerprinting will flush out the liars. If we can be bothered.

People say I should write a book. I've been thinking about it. I've got a title.
GRAIL QUEST ON THE PLANET OF THE ZOMBIE GODS.
Our hero is caught in a time loop, is slashing his way through a jungle inhabited by slack-jawed dribbling arseholes intent on blocking his access to the legendary one toke, ecstasy and enlightenment Grail cannabis...........

Well, I had a bit of fun with that and I thought about deleting it but then I thought, In so many ways I'm just talking to myself. So what does it matter?
N.


I've seen a few of D.J.Shorts writings. The man possesses an extremely fertile imagination. It reminds me of some intuitive/automatic writing I've seen. Very creative, but not scientific.
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As for the exact photoperiod formula that I incorporate into my growing/breeding regime, this will presently remain a trade secret
I'll tell you mine, veg 24h, flowering 12h. I've tried lots of things, but I couldn't find evidence to justify changing things.
N.





I have explained this earlier. I have been stuck in Australia for 5 years (Departure Prohibition Order). Last week I got an extraction of the Court Orders proving I'm free to travel again. I've only been able to smoke some of the MN strains lately. I'm very impressed with the Mango Haze.
SB and I have collaborated on which lines to put together, but we are all reliant on his good taste in selections. We are in good hands.
Line breeding to the existent Haze strains is something that we have been working on for quite a long time and I'm pleased with the results that have been achieved, but my focus is to collect and bring something new to the party as well as finding a non HzA or HzC line that would reinforce the best of the Haze in the NH. Things are looking good.
Everybody who's anybody in this game faces calamity at some point. While some cutting were lost, we are still in a very strong position with our genetics. In all honesty, I don't believe that anyone else could come close to what we've got. It seems that some of you agree with me.
N.

 

[ohthatguy8]

Nev cont.

Either Sensi directors authorised the release of the plant produced from a mating I had made prior to ending up in jail in 1990, or a person in a position of trust made private arrangements. The mating was NL5xHzC X SK1xHzC.
Sensi won a cup with this cutting. It was called "Jack Herer". The J.H. line of seeds had this plant as a mother.
Green House also won with this plant at the Cups. It was called Super Silver Haze. As GH never had this cutting, who knows what they are calling SSH.
In the '90s, a variety known as Diesel was making a name for itself. When I smoked it I knew instantly that this was exactly the same plant and they had a cutting. The early Diesel line of seeds would also have used this plant as a mother.
All 3 lines were made with different fathers at least and this was 20 years ago. One would assume that successive generations would all go in their own unique directions, presumably giving rise to any distinct differences today. The names have remained the same and all 3 lines gained their credibility from the exceptional qualities of the original cutting NL5HzC x SK1HzC.
N.

If the original cup winner was NL5xhazeC/skunkxhazeC and MNS sells NL5xhazeC/skunkxhazeC seeds then who is selling the real deal?

The area for improvement was not the NL5xHz mother, SB already has cuttings of the best ever produced. The improvement would be in the SKxHz father. Later Skunk versions that were crossed with the Haze were far superior to the Skunk Hazes of the '80s.

As I have said before, inbreeding Haze especially to the same Haze ancestor leads to a greater incidence of the cat piss pheno. The Diesel or fuel like smells are an intermediate stage. NH also has more fuel type offspring than the 5Hz, but not as many as a plant inbred to HzC. NL5HzA had darker flavours than NL5HzC, but I wouldn't call it diesel.


Was wondering did you ever get to try NL5HzA x HzA or NL5HzC x HzA when the Haze A male was still around?
HzA was lost by a staff member, who didn't make cuttings before using the HzA males. It's a mistake we all regret.
N.

The JH came out of a batch that made before ending up in jail. My ex manager grew this batch out when I was in jail or shortly after I got out (so he told me). It was a stand out indica type reminisent of the NL5. It was quick too, 8 weeks. Most of the siblings were stretchy sativa types. I tested the same batch again, but didn't find another one. If you do the numbers with something with even 25% NL5, you will find types that lean to the NL5. This was one. They pop up in the NH too, but until now they haven't been the best ones.

Super Skunk or what ever it's called theses days, was prime breeding stock. This will be in a lot of the new varieties today. I once did an analysis on sales statistics. Mine and Sensi's. Super Skunk is the number one variety sold by volume of seeds. NL5xHzC was the number one income producing variety. SS was cheaper.

It was AfgT (ML) that put some super into the skunk. SK1 had bud structure and caylyx to leaf ratio. The best thing about SK1 is the lack of leaf in the bud. Pull off a few fan leaves and your done. The trouble is, most skunks are bland and uninspiring. They are also the first plants in your grow room to show problems. I often used to use one as a canary in the mine. Spider mites love 'em. But SK1 is unparalleled for improving bud structure.
AfgT had a sister, AfgS. This was a sweeter version than the T. It was, however AfgSxSk1 that produced the strongest specimen. This one plant AfgSxSk1 was awe inspiring. It tasted like a Hash Plant with real depth an quality. Strong, strong, strong! I had crossed this plant back to Sk1 and then to SS. This is where I'd be looking to resurrect the best of Maple leaf. In general, plants with AfgS in it's make up should be crossed with AfgT line plants. Sooner or later, throw backs will pop up. As I've said before, I believe, bases on similarity of types and smells, that the Maple Leaf strain is the Afghan behind the original skunks.
I wonder if Shanti has used lines containing AfgS?
N.


That was some fine hash.
I went with Clyde, my photographer. We crossed the border illegally in disguise wearing turbans at Pashawar in Pakistan. We were smuggled into the Afghani "refugee camp". It was kind of like a trade outpost. I dealt with the head of the Mudjahideen. What was really going on there was trading heroin for weapons with the C.I.A. The weapons would be delivered in Military trucks and sold there to warriors in garage boxes with rolladoors. The best Mazari hash would be brought there and cut prior to export. The chunk I was holding was unpressed and uncut. The best afghan I ever had.

One guy tried to trade a huge bag of Heroin with Clyde for his laptop. I tasted just a speck on the tip of my tongue to see if it was real. Very bitter. 10 minutes later I got an unexpected rush. It must of been pretty pure, but he didn't do the trade.

We had a bit of trouble trying to leave, the Boss wouldn't give permission. He and the "guide" stood there arguing for quite a while and I could see that the guide was intimidated. I knew what it was about. Money. My mind flashed to all the thousands of unmarked stone graves around the camp. I suddenly felt very vulnerable and could see where this was going. I took action. I strode up to the arguing pair exuding a confidence that I certainly did not feel and made a chopping motion with my hand between the two and said "stop this". I said to the guide, "tell the man that I'm not fool enough to come to as camp like this with a lot of money, (my pockets were bulging with cash). I've brought 10% for a deposit for the seeds and the rest is back at the hotel for when I accept delivery, all his argument isn't going to change that". The guy stood there for a moment astounded that I would talk to him like that, a vein started pumping in his forehead and I could see he was getting pretty pissed off. He looked me in the eye to see if I would flinch, for what seemed like an eternity, while I stood there granite faced. Suddenly he smiled, he told the interpreter to tell me that I would be escorted back as soon as it was safe to travel, in the mean time I could enjoy the hospitality of the camp. Afghans are warriors, they dispise cowardice. No one will ever conquer them.
We went back to the hash store room where the photo was made and took him at his word. Half way through the first joint, I realised how close we came to death.
Two days later the seeds were brought to the hotel as promised.
I wish I could tell you that these seeds changed the world, but they didn't. They couldn't compete with American indica's and that's the truth.
N.

Originally Posted by Nevil
I think that I have mentioned this before, G13 and Hash Plant were cuttings. I crossed HP to NL1, which was the strongest indica I've ener smoked and I put males from this to G13.
It was labeled HP1.G13. People have assumed that this was a straight HPxG13 cross, but this was not the case. Their was NO sativa in this hybrid which was sent far and wide.
If you were looking for pure indica, this was the one. If a good breeder kept this pure he should have been able to pull most indica types out of this. That was my intention.
N.

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around 20 years ago I had the pleasure of growing some of Neville's NL5X2 and it is hands down the best strain I have grown to date.
When I started all this, I did it with the idea of making myself, in a sense, redundant. There was no precedent and I didn't know what forces would be countered against me or how long my run would last.
Northern Lights, especially NL5, was the cornerstone of the indoor growing industry. By putting NL5x2 out there, I was giving the game away. I thought hard about this and I had to decide on what was best for me or what was best for everyone else. I decided that what was best for everyone would ultimately be best for me.
I needn't have worried. Everyone was asleep.
N.

I haven't been paying attention to the water hash method's exploitation. As I said, it's inferior to well sieved hash. You can't dry the shit out, without it tasting like crap. I didn't put all those flavour and aroma's in there to wash it out with water. It's not just about THC you know.
I read that there is a lot of back-biting and who was first and who owes what to who.
Hell even Clark admits that the idea came from me.
I'm giving my personal testemony, and I'm not a stake holder in this issue.
N.
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maybe it was NL5XHaze
I'm pretty sure it was. NL5Hz was everything you describe and more. Plants 1 and 122 were my favourites. The 5Hz122 really smelled like mango and 5Hz1 would make a believer out of anyone. If you had 5Hz and lost it, well you and thousands of others, but you know what they say;
From Alfred Lord Tennyson's poem In Memoriam:27, 1850:

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

I still dream about growing those two outdoors in a perfect climate. I may yet happen, they are still alive!
N.
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that picture on the cover of the 1990 catalog
Is NL5HzA. The mother of Nevil's Haze.
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We have just been calling it haze for so long..
We all have. No matter what you crossed the Haze to, it was Haze.
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the only plant he issued a warning for.
It really was necessary. A lot of people thought the weed was laced with acid, if they'd never had it before.
N.
JH, SSH, Diesel and Sage were IMO all the same cutting, the ones that won the Cups. Seeds produced from these plants are often sold under the same name. I can tell you that you wouldn't want the batch that the NL5HzC x SkHzC came from. It was a "one off" in a batch full of skinny cat piss. Even 5CskC1 (new abbreviation) had a Diesel/Piss smell, and if it wasn't so quick and resinous (thank God for NL5) and so god awful strong, it wouldn't have been looked at. (I hope I'm not hurting anyone's feelings here)
In a draw full of NH and NL5C1 and NL5C122, it wouldn't get smoked at all. There are ways to improve it and experimental batches were made.
I'm trying to tell you that you are talking to Rip van Winkle, waking up after an unpleasant dream. Don't ask me what happened while I was asleep, do you want me to make shit up? I can tell about what I did prior to 2005.

I don't believe in secrets when it comes to pedigrees. How is anybody going to learn if they are fed lies. The test of a Master, is not how many students he has, but how many Masters he makes!
N.


These are just copy's of nevils post when he was active on mns forums

 

[Canman]

This issue came out my junior year of high school. A classic.

 

[rivendell]

i posted a very in depth response to the nevil quotes and deleted them t.m.i . Nevil speaks the truth i strongly believe the statement and firmly believe it was him writing .i knew nevil back in the day(late 80s) and he handed me the ssh in 96' with arijan while we smoked of a softball sized finger roll of ssh .as for the water hash thing mila got the creds but she did not invent the iso bags,i also sat in her house back then and chilled I,m not here to argue i rarely post if ever but i can tell ya nevil was one of the paramount breeders of all time,his stories were epic as for the haze from the cruz and the sk it did go over the pond with them.whether it became williams wonder or sk
#1 is up for debate i,m not here to argue ,lets just say i traveled exstensively from 86 on east to west and across the pond. the ssh from nevil to me was very popular in the east as the L12 . after moving to norcal many yrs ago the L12 came back to me and a very! select few and was renamed the Rivendell Haze.NOT MENDO HAZE. i could elaborate but i hate drama and have little interest in proving my creds. as for ssh ? L12 aka rivendell(my cut) in mendo its a monster in or out and in norcal 7 is nice but over 12 is getting serious .the debat over linage always intrigues me. the sour /og .... co.dog-chem-deisel-sour-og line i read somewhere lately a post from the dunn interview with chemdog is spot on.Not the nysd that soma (like him or not from the oregon days )shared with me in 98 ,personnally not even related imo .i know this thats all i,ll say.for all the anti deadheads out there .dead tour played a massive impact on strain trades and seeds at that time beleive me or not im not gonna debate either way i was there.sativas rule imo ,obviously sour and og are heavy sativas,but in nor cal if it doesnt say sour or og its not hyped ,which has led to massive f1 garbage. again i raarely post take it or leave it been going since 86' . .canman the castle was in rotterdam and was a serious crib back in the day p.s the rivendell is testing at 20% thc lately cerebral and soaring

 

[ShroomKing]

I've got a pack from mns. Everything I've ran from them has sucked tho so scared to pop them

I just grew out two phenos of ssh from seed, flowered for 82 days.I have to be honest. If I would of did a better job growing and drying it , it would be top shelf. It grew like a beast. But I dried it out too fast by mistake. Its still got an awesome high. And the ice hash I made with it blows folks away with its energetic spaceout effect. I think you need to pop a lot of seeds of it to find a good pheno though.best of luck.