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[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Okay, so (sorry, I'm old and a little slow on the uptake).
How are the FAST photos made?

And for the record I have:
Pbb X Cinderellaman
Pbb X Okie
Pbb X Haymeadow
Psychedelic Banjo
Any advice?

Just by crossing fast flowering phenos I suppose. The most reliable way to have faster flowering plants that aren't autos or very easily confused photos, is to just flower clones though.

Idk. The only two on that list I sent you were pbb x cman, and the seed itself came from capt. I never had any pbb x okie. I might have sent you cman x okie x haymeadow though

Did ya mean PB2 x haymeadow not pbb x haymeadow?

The psychedelic Banjo is pay hedelic banjo x haymeadow I haven't made any pure banjo seeds I only have the one phenotype of it in clones lol.

The banjo x haymeadow should be pretty fast flowering indica Dom hybrids.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Doesn't look like I did anything from up top...

I definitely did though

 

[cpurola]

Just by crossing fast flowering phenos I suppose. The most reliable way to have faster flowering plants that aren't autos or very easily confused photos, is to just flower clones though.

Idk. The only two on that list I sent you were pbb x cman, and the seed itself came from capt. I never had any pbb x okie. I might have sent you cman x okie x haymeadow though

Did ya mean PB2 x haymeadow not pbb x haymeadow?

The psychedelic Banjo is pay hedelic banjo x haymeadow I haven't made any pure banjo seeds I only have the one phenotype of it in clones lol.

The banjo x haymeadow should be pretty fast flowering indica Dom hybrids.

It's possible I shortened the names when putting them on the tags.
Let me look again and I'll fix it.

I could have mixed some of your and capts seeds. Sorry.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

It's possible I shortened the names when putting them on the tags.
Let me look again and I'll fix it.

I could have mixed some of your and capts seeds. Sorry.

It's all good I'm def not bitching or complaining lol. More just clarifying


I say lots of words, much can be lost in the text walls



Finally got the closet I'll be using in the basement to hang and dry to level out where I want it.

Time for more dust removal. It never ends too, swear to God I've filled an entire five gallon bucket of dust and dirt from down here already lmao.

 

[amneziaHaze]

Just by crossing fast flowering phenos I suppose. The most reliable way to have faster flowering plants that aren't autos or very easily confused photos, is to just flower clones though.

Idk. The only two on that list I sent you were pbb x cman, and the seed itself came from capt. I never had any pbb x okie. I might have sent you cman x okie x haymeadow though

Did ya mean PB2 x haymeadow not pbb x haymeadow?

The psychedelic Banjo is pay hedelic banjo x haymeadow I haven't made any pure banjo seeds I only have the one phenotype of it in clones lol.

The banjo x haymeadow should be pretty fast flowering indica Dom hybrids.

Yes, fast cannabis strains (often labeled "Fast Version", "Fast Flowering", or "Quick") are typically photoperiod plants bred with an autoflowering strain, but only partially—meaning they're not fully autoflowering, but they flower faster than regular photoperiod strains.

How fast strains are made:

They're usually created by crossing a photoperiod strain with a ruderalis (autoflower) plant, and then backcrossing the offspring with the photoperiod parent. This preserves the photoperiod nature (i.e., they still require 12/12 light to flower), but inherits some of the faster flowering traits from the ruderalis genetics.

Result:

Still photoperiod – they won’t flower under 18/6 light.

Flower faster – typically by 1–2 weeks shorter flowering time.

Slightly smaller size, sometimes.

Harvest earlier – good for outdoor growers in short-season climates.

 

[closettrapper217]

It's all good I'm def not bitching or complaining lol. More just clarifying


I say lots of words, much can be lost in the text walls



Finally got the closet I'll be using in the basement to hang and dry to level out where I want it.

Time for more dust removal. It never ends too, swear to God I've filled an entire five gallon bucket of dust and dirt from down here already lmao.

I got that same thermometer. I guess we are both cheap lmao

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Yes, fast cannabis strains (often labeled "Fast Version", "Fast Flowering", or "Quick") are typically photoperiod plants bred with an autoflowering strain, but only partially—meaning they're not fully autoflowering, but they flower faster than regular photoperiod strains.

How fast strains are made:

They're usually created by crossing a photoperiod strain with a ruderalis (autoflower) plant, and then backcrossing the offspring with the photoperiod parent. This preserves the photoperiod nature (i.e., they still require 12/12 light to flower), but inherits some of the faster flowering traits from the ruderalis genetics.

Result:

Still photoperiod – they won’t flower under 18/6 light.

Flower faster – typically by 1–2 weeks shorter flowering time.

Slightly smaller size, sometimes.

Harvest earlier – good for outdoor growers in short-season climates.

You just hit the nail on the head of one of my biggest pet peaves in all of the breeding world of cannabis. Don't take this wall of text personally.

Fast flowering plants made this way are pretty crap if you like keeping clones or breeding, and not finding out that your photo actually has ruderalis traits, just not fully expressed, it's super annoying considering the autoflower trait is a dominant, non recessive trait. The slightest photoperiod change and the direction of more darkness and fast plants made this way try to flower and with most can't ever get em to fully revert to full vegetative growth.

You can have fast finishing plants finishing in mid and late September just fine without ruining genetics with non recessive traits lol

Using ruderalis to make fast plants is a quick way to make fast flowering, but really annoying plants.

Selling plants as photoperiod plants that contain ruderalis genetics is very deceptive, and I can confirm seriously annoying if you tried to breed with a plant that you don't know has ruderalis in it.

If you make seeds with those plants you end up with damn near a quarter of your resulting generation autoflowering, a quarter of them trying to reveg with slight transitions, and then won't revert to full vegetative growth again once it happens, in about half of the generation will be what you expect it to be.

When I get fast flowering seeds and I breathe with them and it turns out they have ruderalis in it it kind of pisses me off, it's happened a few times now, and I consider the breeders that do this pretty deceptive.

If you want to plant that flowers one to two weeks faster, hunt a female out of an F1. The hybrid vigor generation of a cross will give you lots of females that flower one to two weeks faster than either parent. Clones of some F1 female phenotypes can be harvested at 6 to 6.5 and 1/2 Weeks indoors, simply because clones already flower 1 to 2 weeks faster than a seed plant.

Using ruderalis is not how you make fast-flowering photoeriod plants. That's a semi-recent trend (as in last 20-25 years), and it kinda irritates me personally, and its very annoying seeing growers deal with those plants that don't realize they are. But when I end up breeding with a plant that I don't realize is one of those fake fast flowering photos, the only thing that happens when I pop those seeds is irritation and regret.

You can't even move a plant like that outside on June 21st from an 18-6 schedule, without triggering revenge issues. It's not possible. And a lot of them will straight up just grow and revenge growth at 16/8 indoors.

That's what I call ruined genetics lol. Part of the reason I am so adamant about preserving all of my non inbred lineages, and every generation I have with them, is because there's breeders out there doing dumb s*** like that to the genetics of these plants. That is absolutely a dick enough move by a breeder for it to even ruin other people's lineages without them finding out till it's too late.

I have a few phenotypes I can harvest by six and a half to seven weeks inside. I have more than one of my own lineages that finishes in mid September. And at no point in time have I ever let ruderalis into the genetics of my photo lineages, that would be a stupid thing to do, and telling people they're fast photoperiod lineages would be deception.

Just because you can generate electricity by burning coal and oil, and it's quicker and easier to do, doesn't mean you should be.

The way it goes for me, is: "man this thing's pretty dank and it's pretty fast, but it's super leafy and re-veggy looking, I'm across it with this super great structure male!" *Grows seed**has to hunt through a bunch of Frankenstein's to find a clean plant**abandoned clean plant because it doesn't flower any faster than the father lineage. "Fast photoperiods" with latent ruderalis traits have literally wasted months of my life

I bet a bit of this sounds familiar to @cpurola and @Oldchucky . They both have plants like this from breeders that were not exactly forthcoming about how they made them fast.

 

[amneziaHaze]

You just hit the nail on the head of one of my biggest pet peaves in all of the breeding world of cannabis. Don't take this wall of text personally.

Fast flowering plants made this way are pretty crap if you like keeping clones or breeding, and not finding out that your photo actually has ruderalis traits, just not fully expressed, it's super annoying considering the autoflower trait is a dominant, non recessive trait. The slightest photoperiod change and the direction of more darkness and fast plants made this way try to flower and with most can't ever get em to fully revert to full vegetative growth.

You can have fast finishing plants finishing in mid and late September just fine without ruining genetics with non recessive traits lol

Using ruderalis to make fast plants is a quick way to make fast flowering, but really annoying plants.

Selling plants as photoperiod plants that contain ruderalis genetics is very deceptive, and I can confirm seriously annoying if you tried to breed with a plant that you don't know has ruderalis in it.

If you make seeds with those plants you end up with damn near a quarter of your resulting generation autoflowering, a quarter of them trying to reveg with slight transitions, and then won't revert to full vegetative growth again once it happens, in about half of the generation will be what you expect it to be.

When I get fast flowering seeds and I breathe with them and it turns out they have ruderalis in it it kind of pisses me off, it's happened a few times now, and I consider the breeders that do this pretty deceptive.

If you want to plant that flowers one to two weeks faster, hunt a female out of an F1. The hybrid vigor generation of a cross will give you lots of females that flower one to two weeks faster than either parent. Clones of some F1 female phenotypes can be harvested at 6 to 6.5 and 1/2 Weeks indoors, simply because clones already flower 1 to 2 weeks faster than a seed plant.

Using ruderalis is not how you make fast-flowering photoeriod plants. That's a semi-recent trend (as in last 20-25 years), and it kinda irritates me personally, and its very annoying seeing growers deal with those plants that don't realize they are. But when I end up breeding with a plant that I don't realize is one of those fake fast flowering photos, the only thing that happens when I pop those seeds is irritation and regret.

You can't even move a plant like that outside on June 21st from an 18-6 schedule, without triggering revenge issues. It's not possible. And a lot of them will straight up just grow and revenge growth at 16/8 indoors.

That's what I call ruined genetics lol. Part of the reason I am so adamant about preserving all of my non inbred lineages, and every generation I have with them, is because there's breeders out there doing dumb s*** like that to the genetics of these plants. That is absolutely a dick enough move by a breeder for it to even ruin other people's lineages without them finding out till it's too late.

I have a few phenotypes I can harvest by six and a half to seven weeks inside. I have more than one of my own lineages that finishes in mid September. And at no point in time have I ever let ruderalis into the genetics of my photo lineages, that would be a stupid thing to do, and telling people they're fast photoperiod lineages would be deception.

Just because you can generate electricity by burning coal and oil, and it's quicker and easier to do, doesn't mean you should be.

The way it goes for me, is: "man this thing's pretty dank and it's pretty fast, but it's super leafy and re-veggy looking, I'm across it with this super great structure male!" *Grows seed**has to hunt through a bunch of Frankenstein's to find a clean plant**abandoned clean plant because it doesn't flower any faster than the father lineage. "Fast photoperiods" with latent ruderalis traits have literally wasted months of my life

I bet a bit of this sounds familiar to @cpurola and @Oldchucky . They both have plants like this from breeders that were not exactly forthcoming about how they made them fast.

If you buy a seed with fast in its name its allways mixed with autos. As for your 5 week strains you got super lucky or your cutting early

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

If you buy a seed with fast in its name its allways mixed with autos. As for your 5 week strains you got super lucky or your cutting early

No, they arent.


And i never said i have 5 week strains, im not sure where you got that, may wanna actually read my post before you respond to it. But youve also claimed on multiple occasions that you arent on a text based forum to read. So i dont understand why you are here talking out your ass at all.


if your implying 1-2 weeks faster then 8-10 is 5, you may wanna go back to first grade.


"fast" strains being frankenstein autos that ruin your gene pools didnt start happing til the early 2000s my friend. And im not the only breeder who wont touch those plants with a 100 ft pole, messing with ruderalis DNA in calling them fast photos is literally the work of charlatans and con men


Until then, fast photos were just fast photos. they werent scams that ruin your lineages like everything labeld fast is today



get out of my journal please. I dont like you, i dont like the way you carry yourself, and you talk out your ass with literally zero personal experience to back anything you say up. I dont like that you intentionally discredit people giving accurate information just because you dont like it were you read something from a con man that told you differently, And its pretty obvious when newbie growers that claim to speak from experience are just talking out their ass with google and AI on deck and dont actually have any practical, hands-on experience.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

If you buy a seed with fast in its name its allways mixed with autos. As for your 5 week strains you got super lucky or your cutting early

I made this video specifically for the genius who thinks 6.5, 7, and five are the same numbers, and doesn't want to read on a text base social platform. You know the walking oxymorons among us.

If you take a 9-week plant, and you run clones, that s*** will be done by 7.5 to 8 weeks. And you can absolutely harvest my Maui at 6.5 weeks, 7-7.5wks is more ideal though. from seed on the original seed plant it was a nine week plant maybe a little more.

I have plans that can finish in mid-september, and the same plants being run from clone can be harvested with perfectly good quality dense buds at 7 weeks or a little sooner. That's totally normal and expected actually, that is usually the case with plants like that, that's not an abnormal or special thing..... Something you would know if you've actually spent time doing it, yet you carry yourself and talk as if you have, which is odd. You're so full of shit dude. I shouldn't have to explain these things to you if you actually know what the f*** you're talking about


"I suppose by just crossing fast phenos"


That's me trying to dodge typing an entire wall of text on the subject matter because I can write a book on it if I needed to, and I just don't want to put effort into explaining something that I have explained a dozen times on this forum already.


Are you going to try to subtly discredit the entire reason that I run F1 plants from clones now too? Because that's something I've done for close to 20 years and I'm not going to take someone telling me that that doesn't work that way very well when I've already spent well over a decade doing that too.

If you cross two solid 8 week plants into an F1 you will absolutely find a 7-week pheno in that cross. Almost guaranteed. If you run clones from that 7 week plant you can usually harvest Bud that no one will complain about at all by 6 weeks.

I've never heard of any plant being done in 5 weeks not even the Frankenstein ruderalis photos. And I absolutely have non-frankenstein photos that flower just as fast as those franken-plants and without all the weird non revertable reveg growth and funky stem structures that comes with those Frankensteins to boot. Plants like that used to be a lot more common but unfortunately most have been ruined with ruderalis DNA over the last couple decades.


I had a plant in Kansas City I called the fast blaster, clones of that plant were done in 45 to 48 days reliably. That thing wasn't just zero reduralis, it was actually half Columbian sativa land race .....

& That plant was used in many projects (by real breeders, not charlatans and con men) at overgrow KC where I was employed to design, layout, and manage large scale recirculating hydroponic systems for warehouse facilities. Probably while you were stealing your mom's roaches out of her bedside table and smoking em with your high school buddies

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Pic dump. You'll have to figure out what's wet on your own there's a back log

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

More backlogged pics and some rapid dried m86 buds pulled at 6wks and 6days because my jars were getting scary empty

 

[TheGoldenRoad]

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

This is some PB2 x haymeadow pollen on wax paper, and a clean paint brush from the Dollar tree.

This is Pb3 (peaceblaster 3)

I'll repeat this daily til I see pistils going red. PB3 x (Pb2 x haymeadow) starts today, (Banjo x haymeadow) x (Cman x okie) x Haymeadow starts tomorrow. Im painting up an entire main cola on both plants, ill have beans to share End goal with both is total stabilizing into a consistent stock of seed. And to preserve seed from every generation it took to get there.




The outdoor newbies are looking absolutely fantastic today. Very happy plants. I'll make a post with the individual crosses/strains labeled some time soon.

The ear wigged pb4 x haymeadow is finally taking off full tilt again wonky stem but she trucking again

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

dont know why you got offended i just said seeds that are sold on the market as fast photoperiod are allways mixed with autos.

its less offense, and more just that i dont like you, and dont want you posting in my grow journal like you actually have any personal history or experience in any of this.



you initial post what not how you make fast photoperiod plants, but its a damn good description of how you ruin a lineage and make quick money off ignorant private growers. "Fast" does not disclose the fact if you breed with those plants itll ruin your photoperiod lineages with dominant traits. Does not disclose that moving them from in to out under any context triggers non revertible reveg. Does not disclose these plants are not maintainable as clone mothers.


And no, "fast" doesnt just mean bred with ruderalis, it does with most breeders now, but thats an intentionally created market bubble for profit margins thats intentionally taking advantage of the ignorant. Thats called the work of charlatans That is not how you make fast flowering plants, i consider this disinformation spread and i dont want it in my journal


Im very cynical and jaded at this point, i dont have patience for regurgitated disinformation. Ive spent like 10 years now trying to get new growers to stop blaming themselves for the poor breeding practices behind many of their seedbank plants, and i usually try to do it in non point blank ways because information means more to people when they discover it for themselves first hand.. I never took anything point blank while learning how this all works, i had to learn it first hand for myself to say or do anything confidently that wasnt just regurgitating and parroting, and no one else should either. The modern "fast" photos, and people blaming true genetic hermies on things like light leaks and nute burn.. Those things specifically, it maddens me how successful the breeder disinformation has been. It genuinely pisses me off lol. it doesnt offend me, it just makes me mad. Its parroted echo chamber information that flies 180 degrees in the face of mine, and many others first hand experience over a lot of years doing this.


i may not have a filter, but i absolutely have the ability to stay rational and cohesive when something is making me mad. Doesnt mean im offended. I just dont like parrots, and will gladly call something what it is at point blank range. it's how you find the realest people, actually.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

These autos are pretty cute little things, I must say.

This male alien Rider autos is funny looking. It's like seeing a hamster or something. This little tiny thing dragging big-ass balls around behind it.

Suspected female alien Rider

Another suspected female alien Rider

Strawberry gorilla auto

Spinosad going down as they come into shade. That's why they're wet. The beetles be chewing early this year

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

100% roots on the tray clones. 100% on the water bottle clones. Real sunlight ftw. (Minus two tray clones that got cooked at the soil line because the tray got left in mid day sun by accident once )

Both Thai dominant polyploid haymeadow purps clones are rooted

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

PB4 x haymeadow (the little one was eaten by earwigs at birth)

Queen B (the little one was eaten by earwigs at birth)

Freakshow Autos (the little one was eaten by earwigs at birth)

Banjo Blaster. No ear wig damage to report

When ahead and hit the banjo x haymeadow with some cman x okie x haymeadow male pollen too. Had just enough on the wax paper for a first go. This tent is looking phenomenal.

 

[amneziaHaze]

I made this video specifically for the genius who thinks 6.5, 7, and five are the same numbers, and doesn't want to read on a text base social platform. You know the walking oxymorons among us.

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If you take a 9-week plant, and you run clones, that s*** will be done by 7.5 to 8 weeks. And you can absolutely harvest my Maui at 6.5 weeks, 7-7.5wks is more ideal though. from seed on the original seed plant it was a nine week plant maybe a little more.

I have plans that can finish in mid-september, and the same plants being run from clone can be harvested with perfectly good quality dense buds at 7 weeks or a little sooner. That's totally normal and expected actually, that is usually the case with plants like that, that's not an abnormal or special thing..... Something you would know if you've actually spent time doing it, yet you carry yourself and talk as if you have, which is odd. You're so full of shit dude. I shouldn't have to explain these things to you if you actually know what the f*** you're talking about


"I suppose by just crossing fast phenos"


That's me trying to dodge typing an entire wall of text on the subject matter because I can write a book on it if I needed to, and I just don't want to put effort into explaining something that I have explained a dozen times on this forum already.


Are you going to try to subtly discredit the entire reason that I run F1 plants from clones now too? Because that's something I've done for close to 20 years and I'm not going to take someone telling me that that doesn't work that way very well when I've already spent well over a decade doing that too.

If you cross two solid 8 week plants into an F1 you will absolutely find a 7-week pheno in that cross. Almost guaranteed. If you run clones from that 7 week plant you can usually harvest Bud that no one will complain about at all by 6 weeks.

I've never heard of any plant being done in 5 weeks not even the Frankenstein ruderalis photos. And I absolutely have non-frankenstein photos that flower just as fast as those franken-plants and without all the weird non revertable reveg growth and funky stem structures that comes with those Frankensteins to boot. Plants like that used to be a lot more common but unfortunately most have been ruined with ruderalis DNA over the last couple decades.


I had a plant in Kansas City I called the fast blaster, clones of that plant were done in 45 to 48 days reliably. That thing wasn't just zero reduralis, it was actually half Columbian sativa land race .....

& That plant was used in many projects (by real breeders, not charlatans and con men) at overgrow KC where I was employed to design, layout, and manage large scale recirculating hydroponic systems for warehouse facilities. Probably while you were stealing your mom's roaches out of her bedside table and smoking em with your high school buddies

Fast photoperiods(mixed autos) will flower for 6 weeks.what your talking about clones and shit is a different subject.like allways you start a subject and start talking about different stuff but you keep insulting like allways.
And why are you talking like you have experience when you just said in a post before you never have or will plant them in your life??
Same shit last time when i told you i wont read books.you allways talk about differwnt subjects but you pack it in a book soo prople think your smart but your just writing nonsense

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

So where did that 5 go? And no, aking fast photyperiod plants, and cloning them, is how you make fast photoperiod plants, period. You do not breed autos that tke 90 days to flower and call them fast photos just because no one vegges them inside long enough to notice and people are afraid to clone. An d no, they dont stay in veg forever at 18/6, youll get 6 months top from even the most stable modern "fast photos"

There used to be a LOT of real photos that flowered in 6 to 7 weeks, that werent franken auto-photo plants that ruin lineages, and theyre are vanishing rapidly because of lazy charlatans that call themselves breeders and people pulling scams like calling autos photos because they take 3 months to start flowering outside and no one vegges plants long enough to notice inside. *Spits on floor*

i insult you because because you insult me....... my very first interaction with you was calling me a hypochondriac for not wanting to smoke flowers full of fungi in a conversation you werent even a part of that had started like a year bnefore you even got here. You then immediately pulled the youtube comment troll thing of making a comparison ad absurdum, which you made in my journal too as an attempt to discredit facts. And feel free to ask your AI what a comparison ad absurdum is if you cant context clue it out, and why its so hated in a genuine platform of debate, and why i label you not worth treating with respect on a floor of debate.

If a group of people get together and yell something loud enough, it doesnt make it true.


If you want to use the search function, and actually read something, youll find me rambling on in lots of places on this site about this very thing, dont think im just going off special on you off the cuff, dont consider yourself that special, i just dont like you and you poked a pet peave of mine that i very intentionally side-stepped when CPU asked because i rant enough about it. And i CARE what cpu's experience is like, and i CARE about the person she is. And you were giving her the same breeder disinformation that caused her trouble last year, and is this year as well, and like i said, i already dont like you. You already know that i dont like you, and you popped in just to poke the bear.

Fast photoperiods being mixed with autos is a marketing gimmick that just traps photo growers buying your seeds that dont know any better. Thats a point that was actually just brought to my attention today that i had never even thought about too, And that started within the last 20 years. Its breeder disinformation that preys upon the ignorant just like all the miniscule light leaks causing hermies crap, and all the "oh back your lights up, thats burn, better give it less light then a healthy week old seedling can take" bullshit that traps people into an endless circle of buying retail products marketed to them because they arent getting enouygh light to their flowers to grow "the dispensary quality flower" all the new growers are after and have no clue its the light lmao.

The light burn debate i believe was a third time you whipped out the youtube troll style comparison ad absurdum on me. Go back to 4chan and youtube comment threads man.




And i have not and never will run modern "fast photos" with my outdoor plants, i learned like 15 years ago what it means when most modern breeders say a photoperiod plant is "fast". And it means "Stay far away if you make your own seeds or run clones or have at all any idea what you are doing or posses any degree of self sufficiency"

hey man, check this link to cpu's journal out on your way out of mine. never have i been delivered such a perfect and timely example on a silver platter by the universe at large. You couldnt write this shit on a cheesy B-flick movie script and get away with it.

Cpurola's Outdoor grow in Southeast Michigan 2025

looks like that thing im so constantly stressed out about struck again. One of your autos busted a nut ya didnt see and it got into a photo without realizing it. And they both contained the recessive hermie trait already stacked through inbreeding, this creates true genetic hermies. And Like i...

www.thcfarmer.com

Hey mods, definitely leave all these posts here unless it decays further, im actually kinda enjoying this.