The Seed That Sprouted a Revolution: Remembering Sam the Skunkman

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We did switch sides: We are now a Russian Asset ( or is that ass-hat) and the internationally wealthy (and criminal) can buy citizenship in the USA for a mere five million dollars now.
The Problem is Mom and Pop cannot grow their own plants legally on the Federal Level.
All I pray, to the cannabis gods and goddesses, is that we can exchange genetics without criminal charge. Free the Seed!

What did some guy sing? "Every time I plant a seed he said kill it before it grows... Kill it before it grows and I say...."

So anyway I do not wish for our European and other countries, friends to think we are not appreciative here in the USA for all the work everyone has done. Some of the strains I know of are magical in there efficacy. Much of the base generics are international.
It may look like you all cannot trust Americans any more and I get that but weed people need world peace.

Peace to you all.
 
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We did switch sides: We are now a Russian Asset ( or is that ass-hat) and the internationally wealthy (and criminal) can buy citizenship in the USA for a mere five million dollars now.
The Problem is Mom and Pop cannot grow their own plants legally on the Federal Level.
All I pray, to the cannabis gods and goddesses, is that we can exchange genetics without criminal charge. Free the Seed!

What did some guy sing? "Every time I plant a seed he said kill it before it grows... Kill it before it grows and I say...."

So anyway I do not wish for our European and other countries, friends to think we are not appreciative here in the USA for all the work everyone has done. Some of the strains I know of are magical in there efficacy. Much of the base generics are international.
It may look like you all cannot trust Americans any more and I get that but weed people need world peace.

Peace to you all.
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  1. Threads or posts pertaining to religious or political discussions meant to incite or flame others will be closed and/or deleted. THCFarmer is an international site attracting members from a multitude of religious and political backgrounds, so in favor of harmony and unity, rather than division, it is best to stay on the topic of this site... cannabis. There is a forum for law/politics as it pertains to cannabis.
Good.. if it's not veg or Bloom strategy or culture history I couldn't care less. Log on to Reddit or FB if you want political drama
 
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Pardon me for violating rules.

I shall keep my transgressions in mind.
 
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Sam Selezny. Hortapharm. Monsanto. Bayer. GW Pharmaceutical. Not touching this one.
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I have a question: Are we angry at how the Cannabis seed industry evolved or something else?
 
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I have a question: Are we angry at how the Cannabis seed industry evolved or something else?
Don't know who you are talking to. But making seeds, collecting seeds, sharing seeds, storing seeds, and cannabis as medicine is an ancient part of human heritage. Our heritage.

Those that want to seize control of that and take it away out of greed, lust for power and control, willing to exploit others for their personal gain...is a problem. That's one side.

The other side is people willingly cooperating with these (imo) sick individuals through their own ignorance, empowering them, and becoming willingly dependent on them. Accepting only artificial feminized seeds, as quality regular seeds dropped off the menu to create masses of repeat customers and dependency. Then, naturally comes "give them lowest quality they will tolerate." The customer believes whatever they are told because for thousands of years people in the west have been conditioned to be believers. So any claim a supplier comes up with will be infallible truth in their broken minds. Easily guided to the next trend through hype and promotional campaigns. They will be begging for sterile GMO seeds or tissues. Suppliers point to the 2 options of regular seeds amongst hundreds of polyhybrid so-called "strains" of amalgamation weed. Look, we have it. Yeah, it's been crossed with hemp so each generation degrades and it's not sustainable, maintaining customer enslavement. Their best genetics they use for breeding you will never see or get. By the way, we have autohemp free with each purchase and it's the bomb for half an hour!

Next you have to realize this website is a business for profit, guiding you to certain information and certain sponsors. I dont know how that is not obvious to you. I can see that it takes time for young people to learn that everyone in this world doesn't think like they do, and not everyone is your "buddy" with caring hearts and compassion. It takes a little time for them to experience enough sickness, ugliness, exploitation, egoism, etc.. to come to a realistic view of how things are. It's not instinctual for the innocent to think that there are people out there willing to deceive, exploit, use, abuse, harm, even murder their fellow people for their personal gain. And it goes way beyond seeds doesn't it? Products, growing techniques, groomed minds. Intentional contamination of heirloom and landrace varieties. Patents, genetic markers. Ownership of mother nature. It's only the tip of the iceberg. End game has been planned over a hundred years ago, and progress has been steady.

Perhaps a few people familiar, or somewhat familiar with psyops will get the red flag of the sudden echo chamber of hero mythology being spread from the top down, and question the narrative, and some of them may be silenced or cancelled. The cattle have to remain unconscious and unquestioning to be milked. Obviously it's part of a bigger plan that ends in a large profit making endeavor.

Does it make me angry? The rape of cannabis? No. I've lived long enough to see so many beautiful and right things torn to pieces and destroyed by incorrect thinking. It's a recurring theme you become numb to as you age. You just get used to it. You move from a noisy malcontent phase into acceptance. Acceptance that you cannot save people from themselves or save the beautiful parts of nature, life, and the innocent. You go on reproducing increasingly uncommon seeds, sharing them with a loving heart with your friends and neighbors, your fellow travelers. As it has been done for thousands of years. That heritage is being stolen. Medicine removed from peoples hands to be safeguarded, legalized, regulated, monopolized controlled by a few very greedy and unhealthy thinking group so they can exploit everyone else.

Anger? No. A little sadness arises from the unconscious depths, but emotions dont create an unconscious response in me anymore. I just notice it, and let it go. I go on tending the garden, and enjoy the flowers. The birds singing at dawn. I am responsible for this, not that.

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Don't know who you are talking to. But making seeds, collecting seeds, sharing seeds, storing seeds, and cannabis as medicine is an ancient part of human heritage. Our heritage.

Those that want to seize control of that and take it away out of greed, lust for power and control, willing to exploit others for their personal gain...is a problem. That's one side.

The other side is people willingly cooperating with these (imo) sick individuals through their own ignorance, empowering them, and becoming willingly dependent on them. Accepting only artificial feminized seeds, as quality regular seeds dropped off the menu to create masses of repeat customers and dependency. Then, naturally comes "give them lowest quality they will tolerate." The customer believes whatever they are told because for thousands of years people in the west have been conditioned to be believers. So any claim a supplier comes up with will be infallible truth in their broken minds. Easily guided to the next trend through hype and promotional campaigns. They will be begging for sterile GMO seeds or tissues. Suppliers point to the 2 options of regular seeds amongst hundreds of polyhybrid so-called "strains" of amalgamation weed. Look, we have it. Yeah, it's been crossed with hemp so each generation degrades and it's not sustainable, maintaining customer enslavement. Their best genetics they use for breeding you will never see or get. By the way, we have autohemp free with each purchase and it's the bomb for half an hour!

Next you have to realize this website is a business for profit, guiding you to certain information and certain sponsors. I dont know how that is not obvious to you. I can see that it takes time for young people to learn that everyone in this world doesn't think like they do, and not everyone is your "buddy" with caring hearts and compassion. It takes a little time for them to experience enough sickness, ugliness, exploitation, egoism, etc.. to come to a realistic view of how things are. It's not instinctual for the innocent to think that there are people out there willing to deceive, exploit, use, abuse, harm, even murder their fellow people for their personal gain. And it goes way beyond seeds doesn't it? Products, growing techniques, groomed minds. Intentional contamination of heirloom and landrace varieties. Patents, genetic markers. Ownership of mother nature. It's only the tip of the iceberg. End game has been planned over a hundred years ago, and progress has been steady.

Perhaps a few people familiar, or somewhat familiar with psyops will get the red flag of the sudden echo chamber of hero mythology being spread from the top down, and question the narrative, and some of them may be silenced or cancelled. The cattle have to remain unconscious and unquestioning to be milked. Obviously it's part of a bigger plan that ends in a large profit making endeavor.

Does it make me angry? The rape of cannabis? No. I've lived long enough to see so many beautiful and right things torn to pieces and destroyed by incorrect thinking. It's a recurring theme you become numb to as you age. You just get used to it. You move from a noisy malcontent phase into acceptance. Acceptance that you cannot save people from themselves or save the beautiful parts of nature, life, and the innocent. You go on reproducing increasingly uncommon seeds, sharing them with a loving heart with your friends and neighbors, your fellow travelers. As it has been done for thousands of years. That heritage is being stolen. Medicine removed from peoples hands to be safeguarded, legalized, regulated, monopolized controlled by a few very greedy and unhealthy thinking group so they can exploit everyone else.

Anger? No. A little sadness arises from the unconscious depths, but emotions dont create an unconscious response in me anymore. I just notice it, and let it go. I go on tending the garden, and enjoy the flowers. The birds singing at dawn. I am responsible for this, not that.

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Thank you, Regular Rebel, for the time and depth in your reply.


I can feel the weight of what you’ve witnessed and what you’ve preserved. There’s truth in what you say—about the co-opting of heritage, the creep of control, and the loss of the old way. I don’t question that grief.


I asked my question not to provoke, but to understand. I’ve seen the tension for years between preservation and commercialization—and while I may be newer to some parts of this history, I do care about the same roots. I value biodiversity, open access, and the long view.


Maybe I asked too lightly. But I’m still asking:
What do others here think?
Is there still a way forward that honors preservation and embraces the tools we have today?


We can disagree on where we draw the line, but I think it matters that we’re all trying to grow something real—whether in a tent, a mountaintop, or just in the heart.
But, please folks, share your thoughts too. I am following this tread. It is our Cannabis History.

Old Man Garden
 
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No point in getting angry about the commercialization of cannabis, with legalization and more social acceptance it was inevitable. Whenever there is money to be made there will always be people in the business just for the money. That's just how the world works. Luckily there are some companies who seem genuinely interested in mass producing quality seeds . So the upside is that once you weed out the bad actors almost anyone can get good seeds without having to know someone in the black market. But I agree we definitely need to keep the old heirloom landraces around. Hopefully there will always be purist doing just that.
 
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No point in getting angry about the commercialization of cannabis, with legalization and more social acceptance it was inevitable. Whenever there is money to be made there will always be people in the business just for the money. That's just how the world works. Luckily there are some companies who seem genuinely interested in mass producing quality seeds . So the upside is that once you weed out the bad actors almost anyone can get good seeds without having to know someone in the black market. But I agree we definitely need to keep the old heirloom landraces around. Hopefully there will always be purist doing just that.
In Holland in 2009 it was the Mecca for me of Cannabis.
I did get the sense that a lot of progress had been made because of tolerance at that time. This is another dimension to the conversation I do believe. The USA is repressive and reinventing it's religion I do dare say.
That is why I paid homage to the world outside of the USA for advancing cannabis science.

The ugly duckling and the best point made is that we have lost generations to commercialization and repression.
 
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Bunch of vultures make me sick

None of you even had the pleasure of talking to the guy finding out what he was really about

Just bullying the dead and talking out your ass

You can all fuck off

Sry diesel but all this hate for someone they never met & making up there own fantasies pisses me off
 
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Bunch of vultures make me sick

None of you even had the pleasure of talking to the guy finding out what he was really about

Just bullying the dead and talking out your ass

You can all fuck off

Sry diesel but all this hate for someone they never met & making up there own fantasies pisses me off
I hear you, Friend—and I respect your words.


It’s clear you knew him, and that’s something I cannot claim. I never had the chance to speak with the man directly, and that’s something I truly regret reading your post. Your perspective—someone who talked to him, listened, and saw the human being behind the name—that’s a voice I think is really needed here.


Would you be willing to share a few words about what he stood for, what mattered to him in his own terms? Not to argue, but to honor something real—something that too easily gets lost in these online storms.


I can see you’re coming from a place of loyalty and maybe even mourning. And I think others could benefit from hearing that story—his story—from someone who actually knows.


If you’re open to it, I’d be grateful.
 
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I talked to him online for nearly two years.
He helped me with my grow & had time to reply to novice questions about breeding.

He was all about sharing the information as were a few some took advantage of it like Marc emery who swapped out his label for his own

I dunno he was just a guy who loved breeding you could tell that from his posts so what if he made a few quid from doing it. It’s not like he was a evil man out for himself he just come over as a stoner who sold beans to me
 
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I also have noticed some markers of engineered reality, and people planted to disrupt that conversation when it comes up. So first, I want to point out these markers, and give my opinion on why someone would be wanting to engineer that reality. Before we look at that, I want to briefly say that this is likely a campaign by a corporate seed bank looking to make a sudden and quick profit by claiming that Sam's seeds are now being distributed to you, the public for a premium price. They will present it as this is something from his personal collection as if he had a freezer in the basement. But its much more likely a corporate entity is currently producing products for mass sale using this tactic as the presale set up. We cant go over all the points but we can cover some basics. Let's take a look.

Focus, authority, tribe, and emotion. These are designed to influence your decision making process. Focus is used to hijack your attention. Repetition, emotion inducing scenarios. Ask why is this story being pushed so aggressively. Authority will position themselves to fit with the narrative, or give endorsements. Pay attention to where this information is coming from. Tribe, messages that create stark divisions, in group versus out group to exploit tribal instincts. People labeling groups For example, I knew him and you did not. Supporters verses trolls or deniers. Emotion, be wary of any information that triggers strong emotions. Emotional responses supress critical thinking.

Look for multiple sources. Centralized narratives create an echo chamber and they silence dissent, and narrow perspectives. If several outlets present identical talking points, this is a huge red flag. Seek out contrarian views and independent voices even if it challenges something already in your head. Watch for that groupspeak.

Follow the money. Identifying who benefits is going to reveal the motive. Look for funding sources and connections tied to the narrative. For campaigns, identify who it is that stands to gain the most. Perhaps a website sponsored by the same people who will be offering the product.

Spot the use of archetypes. Engineered reality simplifies narratives by using archetypes that are woven into our brains like heroes, villains and saviors. Deconstruct the story. For example if someone is being presented as a hero the narrative will ignore their mistakes or conflicting information by oversimplifying the story to prevent scrutiny.

Evaluate the frame. What are you expected to believe, or do after being exposed to this campaign? What assumptions are being made about you? How is reality being shaped? Are there selective facts, or missing context? What truth is being asserted that is completely unable to challenged? This comes up with information suppression. Look for topics that are being avoided, and critics being silenced. If somebody has to be silenced in order for an idea to make it, the idea is not good. So alternative viewpoints being discredited, is a big red flag to look out for.

Be alert to rapid compliance shifts. Question the conformity and test the message and engage with the critics. Start to become aware of these manipulation tactics.

Before I get into some points of my own that are missing from the Sam Selezny/Sam Watson/Skunkman Sam narrative I will post something form an article from back in 2011 that is publicly available on other websites:



High Times-Operation Green Merchant-Cannabis Cup

On March 20th 1985 David Watson was busted for growing in Santa Cruz, California, Watson a junior member of the Sacred Seed collective. The Sacred Seed bank collective was created in the 1940’s, most original members long gone or well into there 70’s, a generation or more older than I, I’m 63, and have been in Cannabis trade 50 years and.

I can only speak from my 50 years experience of fighting the drug war.

A month later, Watson, now traveling as Sam Selezny arrived in Amsterdam in the company of Ed Rosenthal. In his baggage, were the research from the sacred seed collective, and 250,000 cannabis seeds. Ed Rosenthal introduced Sam Selezny as David Watson to everyone who was anyone at the time on the Dutch scene. Which was very small compared to what it is today.

Surviving members still question how Watson managed to pull this off? A collective member states that Watson was a junior member, had nothing to do with creating Skunk or`haze strains attributed to Skunk-man as he is now known. Original Skunk had the real skunk spray smell, impossible to mask.

The first time I met Skunk-man at the 2007 cup his first comment to me was that I blew his cover due to a chapter in my book King of Nepal The Ice Wars edition? He even put up wanted posters for me at the cup calling me a snitch. On the scenes I came from if was a snitch I’d be dead long ago.

By the time you finish this article you may realize that Sam Selezny aka David Watson aka Skunk-man started as a DEA undercover agent, whose undercover career makes Donnie Brasco pale when compared, since he finally became a DEA licensee and ”private contractor” with the power to make the agency move against competitors

and anybody in his way and to cut deals with Bayer, Monsanto, and the Dutch and English Government. Ed Rosenthal’s duped by Watson as well? Rosenthal was the cultivation expert at High Times at that time.

Was Watson/Selezny working undercover to bring Sacred Seed collective down? Then used Ed Rosenthal to develop his Skunk-man cover and go deeper undercover in Amsterdam?

Did Rosenthal make his fortune from selling our scene to the Dutch due to Reagan drug war policy, which shut down ol skool, and any High Times competitor upstart? At what point did Ed Rosenthal realize that Skunk-man was DEA undercover?

Neiderweit went from shit to shineola with the introduction of the sacred seed collective’s seed bank, now renamed Cultivator’s Choice.

In 1987 Steven Hager was named the new editor for High Times. Operation Green Merchant was also created in 1987 the brainchild of DEA agent Jim Stewart. The target being High Times, and Sensimilla Tips, as well as the blossoming Indoor grow industry. Sensimilla Tips, the all time best grow magazine was put out of business. In 1989, raids were conducted in 46 states on grow shops and wholesalers. The only one to remain unscathed was High Times, amazingly?

Operation Green Merchant worked many angles. One that they pulled off in Hawaii was they opened a grow store in Kona, partied, smoked and got to know some growers,. They offered growers a deal, we will give you seeds, nutrients, what ever you need, you grow the product and bring it here where we will ship it to your people, you collect the money and pay us a share. Only a few went for the deal at first, that went super smooth, all packages arrived safely, monies paid, and the share given to grow shop. 2nd year everyone jumped on board, they busted people from Kona to Brooklyn, You can only imagine the numbers, 100’s of folks lost everything, many went to prison.. Nearly all busted in 46 States came from information seized from High Times and Sensimilla tips, hell all they needed to do was read the magazine, which is how DEA Jim Stewart came up with the idea for Green Merchant, shooting fish in a barrel. At this point was High Times compromised? Or?

In 1987 Hager went to Amsterdam to interview Nevil of the Seed Bank, while there he meets the Skunk-man, who relates tales to him about harvest festivals in Santa Cruz and suggests having a Cannabis Cup in Amsterdam as a yearly event. The Skunk-man spins his web and Hager is taken in, from this point on everything stated by either Skunk-man or his partner Robert C Clarke is taken as fact, Remember Rosenthal is cultivation editor, and Clarke used to write under R. Connoisseur at High Times as well. Hager being a newbie was enthralled by the lies coming from this trio. At this point cannabis history starts to be rewritten by High Times.

In 1988 the first Cannabis Cup was held and lo and behold Cultivators Choice wins for Skunk #1. Imagine what an intelligence bonanza the Cannabis Cup, where every grower comes to judge the best strains and buy seeds. The database created a DEA agent’s wet dream. Funny things started to happen around Amsterdam, seems as if a lot of Cultivators Choice competition were being busted, and even Skunk-man’s own warehouse grows are busted as well but he remained untouched, took his money to Luxemburg and returned to go on, while everyone else went to jail.

In 1990, Nevil Shoenmakers who was also targeted by Green Merchant for his seed bank, was not extradited by Holland but was arrested in Australia, where his lawyer in court records noted that the police had dossier on Nevil as well as everyone who was anyone on the Dutch scene, and that they were complied by Sam Selezny, now known as David Watson AKA Skunk-man. This is public knowledge in Amsterdam, noted by Dutch crime investigator Mario Lap. Lap investigated Selezny/ Watson as well as Ed Rosenthal. Skunkman according to Hager in High Times article sold seeds to Nevil..

You have to wonder if the Cannabis Cup an idea the Skunk-man proposed, had been an operation of Green Merchant? How best for DEA to get information on growers than to open a seed bank in Holland, create a cannabis cup, and even win the 1st cup awarded?

Every top grower in the world goes to Amsterdam for the Cannabis Cup, a bonanza of information for DEA and law enforcement around the globe. One has to wonder when Rosenthal and Hager realized that Skunk-man was DEA undercover? Without a doubt Skunk-man had his claws in High Times, who printed his every word as if gospel.

Everyone busted but High Times, the smell of sulfur coming to my nose, certainly not true skunk. Had a deal been struck between Government and High Times and so they could remain in business? Since this time much of what has been written by High Times is in fact fantasy made up by the Skunk-man to build up his mystique as well as his cover. The Haze brothers a figment of Skunk-mans imagination, a play created for stoners in order to hype their products. Frankly I shouldn’t blame the Dutch so much for fraud as Skunk-man was the one who taught the Dutch the ropes and they fear him, as we fear DEA here.

It’s beyond question that the Skunk-man has been a source of information to police agencies around the globe.

1994 David Watson/ Selezny was issued a cannabis research license for Hortapharm R & D along with his partner Robert C. Clarke aka R. Connisseur, above legitimate Universities and PHD’s due to the strong endorsement of DEA, instead of extraditing him back to Santa Cruz for that grow bust in 1985? To this day he is one of two companies allowed to import cannabis products into US, and the only supplier licensed by DEA to supply seeds of predictable quality for research. In a 1998 interview in UK Journal, he stated that Hortapharm only wants to produce sterile females, to protect the genetic copyright? He has sent botanist’s around the globe to contaminate and collect inbred landrace strains, in order to confuse origin in order to claim intellectual copyright. Now he claims to have the largest library of medicinal cannabis seeds in the world. In other words he patented the munchie effect amongst others. Wherever you go on the planet you will find skunk gene pool, this is a war crime, to contaminate the original medical strains so as to be able to call them your intellectual property is obscene. Just as the making of Mother Nature’s healing plants illegal is a war crime, so is the research Hortapharm is doing. Instead of extraditing Watson back to Santa Cruz for his 1985 grow bust, he was praised and supported by DEA.

In 1997 the inventor, Reinhard Delp introduced the Ice Water Method at the 97 Cannabis cup and it was off to the races, the most copied and ripped off formula in Cannabis history, and who designed and created the fraud? Skunk-man with Clarke, Mel Frank and High Times. He did this in order to confuse the origin of the patent.

During the 97 Cup Reinhard had offers promising the world for an exclusive license for the method patent pending by “an English Pharmaceutical outfit”, he did a comparison test for them with a bigger machine, where he trashed a Pollinator as to quality and quality, but finally refused the “exclusive” and insisted on real “publishing”, for immediate use for everybody.

At the end of the 97 Cup Hortapharm set up a meeting with Reinhard where Clarke demanded “we can’t publish that” and asked why, responded “the people can not handle it, it is too strong.” Unaware of the “powers” of Hortapharm, the inventor told Clarke that he was full of it and they had a “fall out”. Reinhard never wanted to play monopoly with characters like Hortapharm, Bayer or Monsanto.

The meeting happened at Bill Barth’s place, a much liked, very outspoken fellow, equally unimpressed by Clarke at the meeting. The inventor was later told that Bill passed away in his sleep.

Crazed by their money and the power they had due to their DEA connection,

High Times and most European Cannabis publications in their pocket, Hortapharm’s Watson and Clarke set out to erase the introduction of the Xtractor 420 and the Ice-Water-Method on the 97 Cannabis Cup from Cannabis history. One year later Mila, who just broke a license contract with Reinhard was now the proud owner of the Hemp Hotel, received a government grant to develop her invention and Clarke was marketing Mila and her new invention: the Ice-O-lator. But Mila was stupid enough to sell her “new creation” with the instructions she received with the XTR 420 .

Another glitch in the scam: some journalistic conscience managed to record the event from 1997, simply explaining the new Method in High Times May 98 issue.

In his book Clarke spins the Ice-Water-Method back to the old unsuccessful “Sadu Sam Secret” Recipe, which Ed Rosenthal did not mention anymore in a 96 High-Times article about Hash, even though he was selling the recipe on a 900 fax years earlier.

Clarke streamlined the recipe for his book, cold water became “chilled”, Mila was introduced as the Lady Of Hash and the 1997 XTR 420 was otherwise blacked out of the Media. “No limit”- Skunkman approaches the inventor in e-mails, boasting about 10 000 square meter grows, claimed to have designed Mila’s and the Canadian “Bubble man’s” , Mark Richardson’s inventions and threatens legal action, “prior artwork” and “what have you”.

In May 2009 Reinhard’s financial lifelines grobots.com and icecold.org got busted by the DEA, the company and home vandalized, company inventory destroyed, all private and company money taken. (treatingyourself.com, issue 19 “Update”)

He does not stop to sue them for patent infringement.

Also taken was the Cannabis Collective’s seedbank, ten pounds high quality Cannabis seeds from landrace strains -sounds familiar?

Skunkman stole the method like the strains he had stolen, created GW Pharmaceuticals on the promise of the Ice-Water-Method and hoped to control all cannabis based medicines. In fact Sativex was created from Thai genetics, I wonder how the Thai government feels about that since cannabis has 8400year history as medicine in Thailand?

Watson due to his control of information has been able to pull scam after scam as an endorsement from High Times is all you used to need in this business. He knows that young stoners and medical patients have no cannabis knowledge and that he can sell anything he wants, the frauds have had a tremendous effect on the quality of medicine produced. At the same time he has been a mentor to the Dutch who now play from the same deck of control of information.

I know by now you have reached the WTF moment in this article, how much more stinky is this going to get?

Let’s face it no corporation has more at stake that cannabis continues to be illegal, so that only they can produce cannabis based medicine than GW Pharmaceuticals, now part of Bayer. GW not only bought strains from Hortapharm but also funds botanical research. They paid to collect medicinal strains around the globe while contaminating them with skunk strain to confuse origin. By doing this they legally could shut down all medical grows for infringing on intellectual property of GW and Hortapharm. Does the GW stand for Guy &Watson? When asked now, that GW made it, they inform that Watson and Clarke are no longer with them.

WTF, talk about quantum leap, from being wanted for a grow bust in Santa Cruz, to being the CEO of Hortapharm, with 5 DEA licenses and partners with GW and Bayer.

Dude, not only did the the DEA seedbank win the 1st cannabis cup, but last year Danny Don’t Know, the new cultivation expert at High Times, named the DEA seed-bank Cultivators Choice as the all time greatest seed-bank. Then went on to state that Skunk-man was the founder of Sacred seeds, when that collective can be traced back to shortly after prohibition in 1937. There is no foundation of truth from Danny Don’t Know nor from High Times when it comes to Skunk-man, they were duped, hoodwinked, bamboozled, led down a trail of tears.

From setting up grow shops to operating seed banks in Holland is no quantum leap in information gathering during Operation Green Harvest. Or that some of their assets from that time, continue to provide information to this day.

Worse thing of all is that for the past 22 years or more everything written on cannabis is written in support of frauds these people created. So they have you spending more for growing less. That the quality of cannabis and cannabis seed has gone down from what ol skool medical imports were originally is without doubt. The best cannabis was grown during the golden age of Cannabis 1840-1940, when it was legally farmed for medicinal use, Sacred Seeds sought to preserve those strains.

September 2010, Danny Don’t Know states that High Times has no connection to Skunk-man. Wow has he changed his tune, but is it the truth?

No, Robert C Clarke, partner of David Watson - Skunk-man in Hortapharm and GW Pharmaceuticals, continues to promote fraud.

In a special issue of High Times that basically introduces new products to consumers. Clarke brought the bubble bag fraud full circle again, calling it a new innovative technique, basically using the same information they used when they introduced these frauds in 1998-2000. They have a new generation of young stoners and medical patients with no cannabis knowledge to cheat.

Here are 3 photographs that show the fraud for what it is:



1. Here you see resins glands at bottom of glass, valuable oils and terpenes floating on top, and on top of that water floating, clear separation seen. You lose immediately 30-40% using either 25 or 33 micron catch bag. From this point you should have gone to coffee filter 5 micron, but you don’t make money selling paper coffee filters. Everything about bags works against and retards the Ice Water technique, the US patent was granted in 2000, but for Europe and Canada only in 2006 (!). Every time you add a bag on top of the 2 bag system you can add a dilution, in a 9 bag system you have diluted formula a dozen times. What they neglected to tell you is that Mother Nature does all the work for you. The ice method made sieving and all forms of processing cannabis obsolete.
2. In Clarke’s article he states nylon sieving bags as new innovative technique. Well thank Soumi La Valle for leaving us his great work on Hashish. Here circa 1979 you see a Lebanese cannabis worker holding her 70- micron sieve. This is the final sieve used in making the finest Lebanese hashish, they started with metal window screen to remove seeds and stems and that material they processed threw 3 sizes of nylon sieves the 1st being 150 micron –120 micron-70 micro being the last sieve used to make 00 hashish the finest. . They attached this Lebanese technique to the Ice Method and called it new innovative technique, when reality the Ice method made sieving obsolete. They told you to grind up your material, why? As in the ice water environment leaves become flexible, fiber matter stays intact, and resin glands fall off with simple agitation. What they don’t tell you is that the method releases the oils in trichomes, and that the bags have no way of collecting them, flavor, taste, aroma lost. Clarke calls it a new innovative technique, when sieving of Hashish goes back to Alexander the Great in the Bekaa Valley of Lebanon, and is one of the oldest techniques used by Chinese farmers in Asia going back 1000’s of years, before nylon they used silk, metal sieves were introduced in the 19th century and are still in use in Afghanistan to this day. What’s funny is that all the grow gurus never show you the Lebanese technique, as that would expose the fraud.
3. This is a photo of the back of a Lebanese hash factory and those mounds are leftover cannabis from the hash making process. I can reprocess that left over material, and give you more and better hashish than you made to begin with, because everything under 70 micron was left behind. I can do the same with any material run threw any bag system, flavor, aroma, taste I will recapture using correct technique.

All these years the same people have profited enormously due to the illegality of cannabis.. The very people who claim to be Free Da Weed are actually working to keep it illegal so only they can profit. The learning curves and misinformation these people have put out never ceases to amaze me.

My pal Mark Heinrich who recently did a 2hour interview with Nevil, who is now living in Perth. This interview will appear in TY. Stated that not only had Skunkman written a dossier on him for DEA, but was recently offered a deal from his bail jumping charge from 1990, stemming from Operation Green Merchant. Auzzies would drop charges if Nevil would allow Skunkman access to his genetics, so that he could get their DNA and track crops around the globe. He refused.

The Cannabis Cup has the stink of Skunkman and operation Green Merchant, who knows how many folks have been arrested and sent to prison due to intelligence gathered at the High Times Cannabis Cup in Amsterdam.
 
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I talked to him online for nearly two years.
He helped me with my grow & had time to reply to novice questions about breeding.

He was all about sharing the information as were a few some took advantage of it like Marc emery who swapped out his label for his own

I dunno he was just a guy who loved breeding you could tell that from his posts so what if he made a few quid from doing it. It’s not like he was a evil man out for himself he just come over as a stoner who sold beans to me
I think too often we overlook the simple fact that 75-90% of us come from communities and cultures that have shunned cannabis our whole lives. Some of us definitely still do, and this creates an inability to openly discuss and convey our thoughts, practices, likes and dislikes about cannabis. It’s still taboo. So keeping that in mind, when we do open up to others about cannabis it’s like opening a floodgate of repression. This can easily allow good people to let their guard down and saddle themselves up with the wrong type of company, or say too much and share too much. Only the misfortunate ones who have learned the hard way will realize and recognize those with ill intentions who might be wolfs in sheep’s clothing. But as growers we must recognize that our roles and responsibilities lie not with that of sheep, nor wolves. We are shepherd’s, cannabis is our flock and the wolves are numerous and hard to identify. So we all have to work together and not against each other to keep cannabis what it truly is. A gift from the earth for the people.
Brought to you by a guy with a Time Machine 😉
 
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No point in getting angry about the commercialization of cannabis, with legalization and more social acceptance it was inevitable. Whenever there is money to be made there will always be people in the business just for the money. That's just how the world works. Luckily there are some companies who seem genuinely interested in mass producing quality seeds . So the upside is that once you weed out the bad actors almost anyone can get good seeds without having to know someone in the black market. But I agree we definitely need to keep the old heirloom landraces around. Hopefully there will always be purist doing just that.
If everyone hopes someone else is doing it, nobody is. Hope is always coming out of fear. To preserve something you need conviction, not fear based dreams.
 
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like Marc emery who swapped out his label for his own
It makes me wonder who pollinated Sam so he could label "his" seeds. Which came first, the pollen or the seed? If someone bought the seeds, wouldn't that make it their seeds? If you paid for your cheesburger. Who's cheeseburger is it? Is it the person that fried the burger? Or the cow? Or perhaps the rancher that fed the cow? The sun that shined on the grass? If I gave you a cheeseburger and you ate it, do I still label it as my cheeseburger you flush? Should I be held responsible to clean the toilet? So many questions.
 
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I also have noticed some markers of engineered reality, and people planted to disrupt that conversation when it comes up. So first, I want to point out these markers, and give my opinion on why someone would be wanting to engineer that reality. Before we look at that, I want to briefly say that this is likely a campaign by a corporate seed bank looking to make a sudden and quick profit by claiming that Sam's seeds are now being distributed to you, the public for a premium price. They will present it as this is something from his personal collection as if he had a freezer in the basement. But its much more likely a corporate entity is currently producing products for mass sale using this tactic as the presale set up. We cant go over all the points but we can cover some basics. Let's take a look.

Focus, authority, tribe, and emotion. These are designed to influence your decision making process. Focus is used to hijack your attention. Repetition, emotion inducing scenarios. Ask why is this story being pushed so aggressively. Authority will position themselves to fit with the narrative, or give endorsements. Pay attention to where this information is coming from. Tribe, messages that create stark divisions, in group versus out group to exploit tribal instincts. People labeling groups For example, I knew him and you did not. Supporters verses trolls or deniers. Emotion, be wary of any information that triggers strong emotions. Emotional responses supress critical thinking.

Look for multiple sources. Centralized narratives create an echo chamber and they silence dissent, and narrow perspectives. If several outlets present identical talking points, this is a huge red flag. Seek out contrarian views and independent voices even if it challenges something already in your head. Watch for that groupspeak.

Follow the money. Identifying who benefits is going to reveal the motive. Look for funding sources and connections tied to the narrative. For campaigns, identify who it is that stands to gain the most. Perhaps a website sponsored by the same people who will be offering the product.

Spot the use of archetypes. Engineered reality simplifies narratives by using archetypes that are woven into our brains like heroes, villains and saviors. Deconstruct the story. For example if someone is being presented as a hero the narrative will ignore their mistakes or conflicting information by oversimplifying the story to prevent scrutiny.

Evaluate the frame. What are you expected to believe, or do after being exposed to this campaign? What assumptions are being made about you? How is reality being shaped? Are there selective facts, or missing context? What truth is being asserted that is completely unable to challenged? This comes up with information suppression. Look for topics that are being avoided, and critics being silenced. If somebody has to be silenced in order for an idea to make it, the idea is not good. So alternative viewpoints being discredited, is a big red flag to look out for.

Be alert to rapid compliance shifts. Question the conformity and test the message and engage with the critics. Start to become aware of these manipulation tactics.

Before I get into some points of my own that are missing from the Sam Selezny/Sam Watson/Skunkman Sam narrative I will post something form an article from back in 2011 that is publicly available on other websites:



High Times-Operation Green Merchant-Cannabis Cup

On March 20th 1985 David Watson was busted for growing in Santa Cruz, California, Watson a junior member of the Sacred Seed collective. The Sacred Seed bank collective was created in the 1940’s, most original members long gone or well into there 70’s, a generation or more older than I, I’m 63, and have been in Cannabis trade 50 years and.

I can only speak from my 50 years experience of fighting the drug war.

A month later, Watson, now traveling as Sam Selezny arrived in Amsterdam in the company of Ed Rosenthal. In his baggage, were the research from the sacred seed collective, and 250,000 cannabis seeds. Ed Rosenthal introduced Sam Selezny as David Watson to everyone who was anyone at the time on the Dutch scene. Which was very small compared to what it is today.

Surviving members still question how Watson managed to pull this off? A collective member states that Watson was a junior member, had nothing to do with creating Skunk or`haze strains attributed to Skunk-man as he is now known. Original Skunk had the real skunk spray smell, impossible to mask.

The first time I met Skunk-man at the 2007 cup his first comment to me was that I blew his cover due to a chapter in my book King of Nepal The Ice Wars edition? He even put up wanted posters for me at the cup calling me a snitch. On the scenes I came from if was a snitch I’d be dead long ago.

By the time you finish this article you may realize that Sam Selezny aka David Watson aka Skunk-man started as a DEA undercover agent, whose undercover career makes Donnie Brasco pale when compared, since he finally became a DEA licensee and ”private contractor” with the power to make the agency move against competitors

and anybody in his way and to cut deals with Bayer, Monsanto, and the Dutch and English Government. Ed Rosenthal’s duped by Watson as well? Rosenthal was the cultivation expert at High Times at that time.

Was Watson/Selezny working undercover to bring Sacred Seed collective down? Then used Ed Rosenthal to develop his Skunk-man cover and go deeper undercover in Amsterdam?

Did Rosenthal make his fortune from selling our scene to the Dutch due to Reagan drug war policy, which shut down ol skool, and any High Times competitor upstart? At what point did Ed Rosenthal realize that Skunk-man was DEA undercover?

Neiderweit went from shit to shineola with the introduction of the sacred seed collective’s seed bank, now renamed Cultivator’s Choice.

In 1987 Steven Hager was named the new editor for High Times. Operation Green Merchant was also created in 1987 the brainchild of DEA agent Jim Stewart. The target being High Times, and Sensimilla Tips, as well as the blossoming Indoor grow industry. Sensimilla Tips, the all time best grow magazine was put out of business. In 1989, raids were conducted in 46 states on grow shops and wholesalers. The only one to remain unscathed was High Times, amazingly?

Operation Green Merchant worked many angles. One that they pulled off in Hawaii was they opened a grow store in Kona, partied, smoked and got to know some growers,. They offered growers a deal, we will give you seeds, nutrients, what ever you need, you grow the product and bring it here where we will ship it to your people, you collect the money and pay us a share. Only a few went for the deal at first, that went super smooth, all packages arrived safely, monies paid, and the share given to grow shop. 2nd year everyone jumped on board, they busted people from Kona to Brooklyn, You can only imagine the numbers, 100’s of folks lost everything, many went to prison.. Nearly all busted in 46 States came from information seized from High Times and Sensimilla tips, hell all they needed to do was read the magazine, which is how DEA Jim Stewart came up with the idea for Green Merchant, shooting fish in a barrel. At this point was High Times compromised? Or?

In 1987 Hager went to Amsterdam to interview Nevil of the Seed Bank, while there he meets the Skunk-man, who relates tales to him about harvest festivals in Santa Cruz and suggests having a Cannabis Cup in Amsterdam as a yearly event. The Skunk-man spins his web and Hager is taken in, from this point on everything stated by either Skunk-man or his partner Robert C Clarke is taken as fact, Remember Rosenthal is cultivation editor, and Clarke used to write under R. Connoisseur at High Times as well. Hager being a newbie was enthralled by the lies coming from this trio. At this point cannabis history starts to be rewritten by High Times.

In 1988 the first Cannabis Cup was held and lo and behold Cultivators Choice wins for Skunk #1. Imagine what an intelligence bonanza the Cannabis Cup, where every grower comes to judge the best strains and buy seeds. The database created a DEA agent’s wet dream. Funny things started to happen around Amsterdam, seems as if a lot of Cultivators Choice competition were being busted, and even Skunk-man’s own warehouse grows are busted as well but he remained untouched, took his money to Luxemburg and returned to go on, while everyone else went to jail.

In 1990, Nevil Shoenmakers who was also targeted by Green Merchant for his seed bank, was not extradited by Holland but was arrested in Australia, where his lawyer in court records noted that the police had dossier on Nevil as well as everyone who was anyone on the Dutch scene, and that they were complied by Sam Selezny, now known as David Watson AKA Skunk-man. This is public knowledge in Amsterdam, noted by Dutch crime investigator Mario Lap. Lap investigated Selezny/ Watson as well as Ed Rosenthal. Skunkman according to Hager in High Times article sold seeds to Nevil..

You have to wonder if the Cannabis Cup an idea the Skunk-man proposed, had been an operation of Green Merchant? How best for DEA to get information on growers than to open a seed bank in Holland, create a cannabis cup, and even win the 1st cup awarded?

Every top grower in the world goes to Amsterdam for the Cannabis Cup, a bonanza of information for DEA and law enforcement around the globe. One has to wonder when Rosenthal and Hager realized that Skunk-man was DEA undercover? Without a doubt Skunk-man had his claws in High Times, who printed his every word as if gospel.

Everyone busted but High Times, the smell of sulfur coming to my nose, certainly not true skunk. Had a deal been struck between Government and High Times and so they could remain in business? Since this time much of what has been written by High Times is in fact fantasy made up by the Skunk-man to build up his mystique as well as his cover. The Haze brothers a figment of Skunk-mans imagination, a play created for stoners in order to hype their products. Frankly I shouldn’t blame the Dutch so much for fraud as Skunk-man was the one who taught the Dutch the ropes and they fear him, as we fear DEA here.

It’s beyond question that the Skunk-man has been a source of information to police agencies around the globe.

1994 David Watson/ Selezny was issued a cannabis research license for Hortapharm R & D along with his partner Robert C. Clarke aka R. Connisseur, above legitimate Universities and PHD’s due to the strong endorsement of DEA, instead of extraditing him back to Santa Cruz for that grow bust in 1985? To this day he is one of two companies allowed to import cannabis products into US, and the only supplier licensed by DEA to supply seeds of predictable quality for research. In a 1998 interview in UK Journal, he stated that Hortapharm only wants to produce sterile females, to protect the genetic copyright? He has sent botanist’s around the globe to contaminate and collect inbred landrace strains, in order to confuse origin in order to claim intellectual copyright. Now he claims to have the largest library of medicinal cannabis seeds in the world. In other words he patented the munchie effect amongst others. Wherever you go on the planet you will find skunk gene pool, this is a war crime, to contaminate the original medical strains so as to be able to call them your intellectual property is obscene. Just as the making of Mother Nature’s healing plants illegal is a war crime, so is the research Hortapharm is doing. Instead of extraditing Watson back to Santa Cruz for his 1985 grow bust, he was praised and supported by DEA.

In 1997 the inventor, Reinhard Delp introduced the Ice Water Method at the 97 Cannabis cup and it was off to the races, the most copied and ripped off formula in Cannabis history, and who designed and created the fraud? Skunk-man with Clarke, Mel Frank and High Times. He did this in order to confuse the origin of the patent.

During the 97 Cup Reinhard had offers promising the world for an exclusive license for the method patent pending by “an English Pharmaceutical outfit”, he did a comparison test for them with a bigger machine, where he trashed a Pollinator as to quality and quality, but finally refused the “exclusive” and insisted on real “publishing”, for immediate use for everybody.

At the end of the 97 Cup Hortapharm set up a meeting with Reinhard where Clarke demanded “we can’t publish that” and asked why, responded “the people can not handle it, it is too strong.” Unaware of the “powers” of Hortapharm, the inventor told Clarke that he was full of it and they had a “fall out”. Reinhard never wanted to play monopoly with characters like Hortapharm, Bayer or Monsanto.

The meeting happened at Bill Barth’s place, a much liked, very outspoken fellow, equally unimpressed by Clarke at the meeting. The inventor was later told that Bill passed away in his sleep.

Crazed by their money and the power they had due to their DEA connection,

High Times and most European Cannabis publications in their pocket, Hortapharm’s Watson and Clarke set out to erase the introduction of the Xtractor 420 and the Ice-Water-Method on the 97 Cannabis Cup from Cannabis history. One year later Mila, who just broke a license contract with Reinhard was now the proud owner of the Hemp Hotel, received a government grant to develop her invention and Clarke was marketing Mila and her new invention: the Ice-O-lator. But Mila was stupid enough to sell her “new creation” with the instructions she received with the XTR 420 .

Another glitch in the scam: some journalistic conscience managed to record the event from 1997, simply explaining the new Method in High Times May 98 issue.

In his book Clarke spins the Ice-Water-Method back to the old unsuccessful “Sadu Sam Secret” Recipe, which Ed Rosenthal did not mention anymore in a 96 High-Times article about Hash, even though he was selling the recipe on a 900 fax years earlier.

Clarke streamlined the recipe for his book, cold water became “chilled”, Mila was introduced as the Lady Of Hash and the 1997 XTR 420 was otherwise blacked out of the Media. “No limit”- Skunkman approaches the inventor in e-mails, boasting about 10 000 square meter grows, claimed to have designed Mila’s and the Canadian “Bubble man’s” , Mark Richardson’s inventions and threatens legal action, “prior artwork” and “what have you”.

In May 2009 Reinhard’s financial lifelines grobots.com and icecold.org got busted by the DEA, the company and home vandalized, company inventory destroyed, all private and company money taken. (treatingyourself.com, issue 19 “Update”)

He does not stop to sue them for patent infringement.

Also taken was the Cannabis Collective’s seedbank, ten pounds high quality Cannabis seeds from landrace strains -sounds familiar?

Skunkman stole the method like the strains he had stolen, created GW Pharmaceuticals on the promise of the Ice-Water-Method and hoped to control all cannabis based medicines. In fact Sativex was created from Thai genetics, I wonder how the Thai government feels about that since cannabis has 8400year history as medicine in Thailand?

Watson due to his control of information has been able to pull scam after scam as an endorsement from High Times is all you used to need in this business. He knows that young stoners and medical patients have no cannabis knowledge and that he can sell anything he wants, the frauds have had a tremendous effect on the quality of medicine produced. At the same time he has been a mentor to the Dutch who now play from the same deck of control of information.

I know by now you have reached the WTF moment in this article, how much more stinky is this going to get?

Let’s face it no corporation has more at stake that cannabis continues to be illegal, so that only they can produce cannabis based medicine than GW Pharmaceuticals, now part of Bayer. GW not only bought strains from Hortapharm but also funds botanical research. They paid to collect medicinal strains around the globe while contaminating them with skunk strain to confuse origin. By doing this they legally could shut down all medical grows for infringing on intellectual property of GW and Hortapharm. Does the GW stand for Guy &Watson? When asked now, that GW made it, they inform that Watson and Clarke are no longer with them.

WTF, talk about quantum leap, from being wanted for a grow bust in Santa Cruz, to being the CEO of Hortapharm, with 5 DEA licenses and partners with GW and Bayer.

Dude, not only did the the DEA seedbank win the 1st cannabis cup, but last year Danny Don’t Know, the new cultivation expert at High Times, named the DEA seed-bank Cultivators Choice as the all time greatest seed-bank. Then went on to state that Skunk-man was the founder of Sacred seeds, when that collective can be traced back to shortly after prohibition in 1937. There is no foundation of truth from Danny Don’t Know nor from High Times when it comes to Skunk-man, they were duped, hoodwinked, bamboozled, led down a trail of tears.

From setting up grow shops to operating seed banks in Holland is no quantum leap in information gathering during Operation Green Harvest. Or that some of their assets from that time, continue to provide information to this day.

Worse thing of all is that for the past 22 years or more everything written on cannabis is written in support of frauds these people created. So they have you spending more for growing less. That the quality of cannabis and cannabis seed has gone down from what ol skool medical imports were originally is without doubt. The best cannabis was grown during the golden age of Cannabis 1840-1940, when it was legally farmed for medicinal use, Sacred Seeds sought to preserve those strains.

September 2010, Danny Don’t Know states that High Times has no connection to Skunk-man. Wow has he changed his tune, but is it the truth?

No, Robert C Clarke, partner of David Watson - Skunk-man in Hortapharm and GW Pharmaceuticals, continues to promote fraud.

In a special issue of High Times that basically introduces new products to consumers. Clarke brought the bubble bag fraud full circle again, calling it a new innovative technique, basically using the same information they used when they introduced these frauds in 1998-2000. They have a new generation of young stoners and medical patients with no cannabis knowledge to cheat.

Here are 3 photographs that show the fraud for what it is:



1. Here you see resins glands at bottom of glass, valuable oils and terpenes floating on top, and on top of that water floating, clear separation seen. You lose immediately 30-40% using either 25 or 33 micron catch bag. From this point you should have gone to coffee filter 5 micron, but you don’t make money selling paper coffee filters. Everything about bags works against and retards the Ice Water technique, the US patent was granted in 2000, but for Europe and Canada only in 2006 (!). Every time you add a bag on top of the 2 bag system you can add a dilution, in a 9 bag system you have diluted formula a dozen times. What they neglected to tell you is that Mother Nature does all the work for you. The ice method made sieving and all forms of processing cannabis obsolete.
2. In Clarke’s article he states nylon sieving bags as new innovative technique. Well thank Soumi La Valle for leaving us his great work on Hashish. Here circa 1979 you see a Lebanese cannabis worker holding her 70- micron sieve. This is the final sieve used in making the finest Lebanese hashish, they started with metal window screen to remove seeds and stems and that material they processed threw 3 sizes of nylon sieves the 1st being 150 micron –120 micron-70 micro being the last sieve used to make 00 hashish the finest. . They attached this Lebanese technique to the Ice Method and called it new innovative technique, when reality the Ice method made sieving obsolete. They told you to grind up your material, why? As in the ice water environment leaves become flexible, fiber matter stays intact, and resin glands fall off with simple agitation. What they don’t tell you is that the method releases the oils in trichomes, and that the bags have no way of collecting them, flavor, taste, aroma lost. Clarke calls it a new innovative technique, when sieving of Hashish goes back to Alexander the Great in the Bekaa Valley of Lebanon, and is one of the oldest techniques used by Chinese farmers in Asia going back 1000’s of years, before nylon they used silk, metal sieves were introduced in the 19th century and are still in use in Afghanistan to this day. What’s funny is that all the grow gurus never show you the Lebanese technique, as that would expose the fraud.
3. This is a photo of the back of a Lebanese hash factory and those mounds are leftover cannabis from the hash making process. I can reprocess that left over material, and give you more and better hashish than you made to begin with, because everything under 70 micron was left behind. I can do the same with any material run threw any bag system, flavor, aroma, taste I will recapture using correct technique.

All these years the same people have profited enormously due to the illegality of cannabis.. The very people who claim to be Free Da Weed are actually working to keep it illegal so only they can profit. The learning curves and misinformation these people have put out never ceases to amaze me.

My pal Mark Heinrich who recently did a 2hour interview with Nevil, who is now living in Perth. This interview will appear in TY. Stated that not only had Skunkman written a dossier on him for DEA, but was recently offered a deal from his bail jumping charge from 1990, stemming from Operation Green Merchant. Auzzies would drop charges if Nevil would allow Skunkman access to his genetics, so that he could get their DNA and track crops around the globe. He refused.

The Cannabis Cup has the stink of Skunkman and operation Green Merchant, who knows how many folks have been arrested and sent to prison due to intelligence gathered at the High Times Cannabis Cup in Amsterdam.
Hey there,


Thanks for taking the time to write all of that out. I can tell you're passionate about this topic, and I appreciate your concern for transparency and historical accuracy in the cannabis community.


While your post is quite detailed and covers a lot of ground, I’d like to take a moment to reflect and summarize the key concerns you raised so others can follow along more easily:


  • You're questioning the authenticity of current seed releases allegedly linked to Skunkman Sam (David Watson), suggesting possible corporate involvement and marketing tactics.
  • You’ve raised awareness of psychological influence tactics like focus manipulation, appeals to authority, tribal language, and emotional framing.
  • There are concerns that centralized narratives and selective messaging may be shaping cannabis history, potentially silencing dissenting voices.
  • You ask readers to critically evaluate who benefits from particular versions of the story—particularly in the context of funding, licensing, and seed bank origins.
  • You suggest that David Watson may have had connections with law enforcement (specifically the DEA), raising the possibility that early cannabis events (e.g. Cannabis Cup) may have had ulterior motives.
  • You express concern over the commercialization and potential patenting of cannabis strains and techniques, particularly those originally developed by grassroots growers and communities.
  • You question the historical record presented by certain publications and individuals in the cannabis world, urging people to dig deeper and consider alternative viewpoints.

I hear your concern, and I agree that transparency, preservation of genetics, and truth in cannabis history are important to all of us. It's clear you've done a lot of thinking and research, and whether or not everyone agrees with all the details, your post serves as a reminder to stay critical, curious, and open to a wide range of perspectives.


Thanks again for contributing. Looking forward to hearing more from you as we all keep learning and sharing.

We all learn from shared experiences. Yours is an honest and impassioned position. Thank You.
 
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Hey there,


Thanks for taking the time to write all of that out. I can tell you're passionate about this topic, and I appreciate your concern for transparency and historical accuracy in the cannabis community.


While your post is quite detailed and covers a lot of ground, I’d like to take a moment to reflect and summarize the key concerns you raised so others can follow along more easily:


  • You're questioning the authenticity of current seed releases allegedly linked to Skunkman Sam (David Watson), suggesting possible corporate involvement and marketing tactics.
  • You’ve raised awareness of psychological influence tactics like focus manipulation, appeals to authority, tribal language, and emotional framing.
  • There are concerns that centralized narratives and selective messaging may be shaping cannabis history, potentially silencing dissenting voices.
  • You ask readers to critically evaluate who benefits from particular versions of the story—particularly in the context of funding, licensing, and seed bank origins.
  • You suggest that David Watson may have had connections with law enforcement (specifically the DEA), raising the possibility that early cannabis events (e.g. Cannabis Cup) may have had ulterior motives.
  • You express concern over the commercialization and potential patenting of cannabis strains and techniques, particularly those originally developed by grassroots growers and communities.
  • You question the historical record presented by certain publications and individuals in the cannabis world, urging people to dig deeper and consider alternative viewpoints.

I hear your concern, and I agree that transparency, preservation of genetics, and truth in cannabis history are important to all of us. It's clear you've done a lot of thinking and research, and whether or not everyone agrees with all the details, your post serves as a reminder to stay critical, curious, and open to a wide range of perspectives.


Thanks again for contributing. Looking forward to hearing more from you as we all keep learning and sharing.

We all learn from shared experiences. Yours is an honest and impassioned position. Thank You.
That's a really confused ai summary.
 

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