THE TRAINWRECK. And spiderfarmer gear.

[BearWater]

Here’s a plant that I’m nursing along right now that has a very mild case of it Herbie train wreck

What ails her?

 

[Leoman]

I tried to send plant pics from my phone to my email address and accidentally sent them to Josh's Frogs. They replied back asking how they can help me today. lmao

I'm done. I figure people who breed poison dart frogs probably smoke weed so whatever.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Totally just discovered my phone has a wide angle lense lol

Tent 1

Tent 2

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Nah. It happens
Looks dope.
Sup cuh?

I'm doing ok. Coasting along. How bout yourself?

Lol I try to have 1000pffd at my flowering canopy centers

When I see people claiming light burn at 500pffd and lower my face does this:

It's like the go to for people who don't know what an issue is, but want to feel like they have answers for a problem lol. And then people flowering at 500pffd or less wonder why they have fluffy flower and it isn't like the dispos and wearhouse flower.

People have even started arguments with me on this with literally zero grounds or evidence for claims so I just poke fun at it from a distance whenever I get the chance

 

[Ninjadogma]

My 2 Studs; Frank & Stein.

Frank is the taller, almost mature one, (1st pic). He's a Northern Lights,
very early maturing and has a very sticky stem rub that smells like a
pine forest. He's going to make a fine stud.

Stein is the smaller, left leaning one that is just starting to show
his balls, 2nd (pic). He's the Hash Plant that was stunted with the
down-turned leaf tips, that he outgrew. I originally thought is was
caused by spoiled Rapid Start, but I've changed my mind & now
think it was from having inadequate roots.

In the year 2025 we have matured enough as a society that it is now okay to show pornographic pictures of male cannabis plants.

 

[FloridaMike]

I'm doing ok. Coasting along. How bout yourself?

Lol I try to have 1000pffd at my flowering canopy centers

When I see people claiming light burn at 500pffd and lower my face does this:

It's like the go to for people who don't know what an issue is, but want to feel like they have answers for a problem lol. And then people flowering at 500pffd or less wonder why they have fluffy flower and it isn't like the dispos and wearhouse flower.

People have even started arguments with me on this with literally zero grounds or evidence for claims so I just poke fun at it from a distance whenever I get the chance

They can take way more light and heat than people realize, if all other variables are at or near 100%
I don't use no par meters and could give a shit about vpd.
I grow'em to the lights at 91-95f
As long as they have enough h2o & co2, they eat that shit up (my feed pumps are on constantly when the lights are on, co2 runs (natural) average around 650ppm w/ 2 adults & 2 large dogs)

 

[Grow4fun420]

tent A needs a humidifier to lower kpA from 1.5 to 1.08. Tent b since it has a humidifier its kPa is at 1.11 for their vpd.

Been deeling with some pest that got inside. They are tiny fying insects and I’ve bern using organic pesticide known as neem oil. Been foliar spraying and saw a few of them die within the leafs. Should I apply neem oil to soil?

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

They can take way more light and heat than people realize, if all other variables are at or near 100%
I don't use no par meters and could give a shit about vpd.
I grow'em to the lights at 91-95f
As long as they have enough h2o & co2, they eat that shit up (my feed pumps are on constantly when the lights are on, co2 runs (natural) average around 650ppm w/ 2 adults & 2 large dogs)

yessir. mine are usually mid 80s during the day, and i dont mind if its in the low 90s up high long as the bulk of the plant is under 86f or so, and always within a foot of panels at 100%. i rarely if ever bust out the par meter, im just familiar enough with the panels i use to make statements about the pffd. I dont keep track of RH either, havent in years.

Ive said it many times, if your plants are having light intensity related issues below 1000pffd in flower (700 or so in veg) then you have problems to solve, and the intensity of the light isn't one of them. It's an informing factor, not a problem's source.

My outdoor plants see over 2000pffd all the time, almost every single day around noon for hours straight. My seedlings see full strength panels about 12-14" away by the time theyre a few weeks old.

 

[Captspaulding]

I'm doing ok. Coasting along. How bout yourself?

Lol I try to have 1000pffd at my flowering canopy centers

When I see people claiming light burn at 500pffd and lower my face does this:

It's like the go to for people who don't know what an issue is, but want to feel like they have answers for a problem lol. And then people flowering at 500pffd or less wonder why they have fluffy flower and it isn't like the dispos and wearhouse flower.

People have even started arguments with me on this with literally zero grounds or evidence for claims so I just poke fun at it from a distance whenever I get the chance

Bro, really with LEDs it happens all the time. It’s just a matter of what your microclimates doing whether or not your plants are transpiring correctly or holding too much water feeding habits nutrient frequencies can cause plants to act crazy once a deficiency or a toxicity shows up it can spur along other issues involving the lamp and it’s climate.
Seriously dude like they are really sensitive cultivars out there too and it’s crazy man you know like a lot of of the people that I tell her to turn down their lights because they’re lighting up their plants early and veg and mid veg and everything and the problems stop. It’s the craziest thing. And generally with earlier growers, it’s better to have them stop the issue than red line. Everything right out of the gate if that makes sense like I try to teach people here on a curve I mean, it might turn your face upside down or whatever but fax is fax Homie.
If you are dialed. Of coarse you can blast em
Also, you can get pretty close with smaller panels,
You better not be having like a phlizon 6500 or a spider farmer 7000 and doing that stuff youll have burnt matchsticks

But im bout that close life.
With smaller gear
The larger gear,
I keep em high and boost plants into them.

And I’m only at 85% output and I dare not go higher than that not until I see these plants get way more resilient under the current settings

So my point is, theres two sides to that.
Some pics with small panels on full tilt boogie
And how i roll my larger gear.

 

[FloridaMike]

Bro, really with LEDs it happens all the time. It’s just a matter of what your microclimates doing whether or not your plants are transpiring correctly or holding too much water feeding habits nutrient frequencies can cause plants to act crazy once a deficiency or a toxicity shows up it can spur along other issues involving the lamp and it’s climate.
Seriously dude like they are really sensitive cultivars out there too and it’s crazy man you know like a lot of of the people that I tell her to turn down their lights because they’re lighting up their plants early and veg and mid veg and everything and the problems stop. It’s the craziest thing. And generally with earlier growers, it’s better to have them stop the issue than red line. Everything right out of the gate if that makes sense like I try to teach people here on a curve I mean, it might turn your face upside down or whatever but fax is fax Homie.

LED's are brand new to me. I have much to learn about growing with them

 

[donkanaille94]

tent A needs a humidifier to lower kpA from 1.5 to 1.08. Tent b since it has a humidifier its kPa is at 1.11 for their vpd.

Been deeling with some pest that got inside. They are tiny fying insects and I’ve bern using organic pesticide known as neem oil. Been foliar spraying and saw a few of them die within the leafs. Should I apply neem oil to soil?

she's sexy as f. Dope

 

[FloridaMike]

4x8 tent

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Bro, really with LEDs it happens all the time. It’s just a matter of what your microclimates doing whether or not your plants are transpiring correctly or holding too much water feeding habits nutrient frequencies can cause plants to act crazy once a deficiency or a toxicity shows up it can spur along other issues involving the lamp and it’s climate.
Seriously dude like they are really sensitive cultivars out there too and it’s crazy man you know like a lot of of the people that I tell her to turn down their lights because they’re lighting up their plants early and veg and mid veg and everything and the problems stop. It’s the craziest thing. And generally with earlier growers, it’s better to have them stop the issue than red line. Everything right out of the gate if that makes sense like I try to teach people here on a curve I mean, it might turn your face upside down or whatever but fax is fax Homie.
If you are dialed. Of coarse you can blast em
Also, you can get pretty close with smaller panels,
You better not be having like a phlizon 6500 or a spider farmer 7000 and doing that stuff youll have burnt matchsticks

But im bout that close life.
With smaller gear
The larger gear,
I keep em high and boost plants into them.

And I’m only at 85% output and I dare not go higher than that not until I see these plants get way more resilient under the current settings

So my point is, theres two sides to that.
Some pics with small panels on full tilt boogie
And how i roll my larger gear.

We actually totally agree on this, ill start with that lol. Dont disagree with anything youve said here at all. Theres a reason im using PFFD as benchmark metric here not the power of a given light fixture. Doing it that way makes no sense with the variance between brands and even within brands. The best way to compare results between light fixtures is by balancing Luminous flux and Par both. They are both important when it comes to burning the tissues.


My point with it, is just that if your LED's are burning your plants in that territory, its because of another problem like you and me both said.

You dont fix that problem by backing off the light and waiting though, even if that makes the symptoms go away, you havent solved the source of the problem, just a tipping factor, and in doing so you hamper the end product. This is something im seeing happen over and oveer with questions asked here, and its another thing ive stopped trying to nuance when the question is asked because i get messaged in DM by (very obviously) novice growers with light stretched plants recommending people grow under like 350pffd of light. They dont realize their plants are burning above that range because other variables are out of whack.

There's a nuance to what im saying here that gets lost on a lot of newer growers. I already know it isn't on you.

If i get light burn at lower outputs i do indeed back the light off, but then i fix the problem and turn the light back up as soon as i can, because not doing that hampers your end result. Anything below roughly 1000pffd at center canopy in flower nets me a smaller, less consistent outcome plant to plant then otherwise. That is one thing thats been consistent light to light to light for me regardless of how easily they get damaged if something goes out of whack with light that intense.

You also see people turning their lights way down after receiving advice to do so when they only have a small amount of burn center tent on the highest growth. They think a sign that your greater canopy is actually in the goldilocks zone is actually a bad sign that somethings wrong. It's actually Quite the opposite. That is good news.

Might not be good news with a nearly 7kw equivalent bar light pushing probably 1200w. Youre definitely going to have to be careful with that, but also backing it up 6 inches or turning it down 20% makes a smaller overall differnce to output then with a smaller lower wattage light too.

15% lower on your light at like 3ft from canopy is like 5% lower on my light at 12" in terms of PAR reduction at canopy average. Likewise youd have to raise your light a ft or more to get the same PAR decrease moving mine up 2-3 inches would cause. And this is something very worth communicating to new growers********

 

[PlumberSoCal2]

Had some official clown business that forced a slight hiatus. Wifey needed my confetti and other clownly trappings.
Alls well here on the moon.
It was tough taking that break.
But hey, rearview mirror is dialed in,
Shes smiling again, greif is passing.
Plants are alive and flourishing.
Been slow rolling alot of these,
They are happy af though.
In the big tent far right corner is a herbies tw
It has a mild to moderate case of tmv. It didnt show its true colors until a week before i flipped it.
I thought it was a bit of simple gene smashing anomolous bs, but nope.
Im keeping it around to study the cola diff in formation yeid ect.
Just chopped the skunk down.
It fucking reeeeks
I missed you asshats.
Also,
Do you even manifold homies?
Do you??!!!!
FUCKING DO YOU!?!??!
All the types. Even a loop in the main stem because fuck it.
Some tammy babies from @Thatoneguyyouknow_
Some inaugural kamakazi cherry
And four kahuna p1 (the crazy frosty one)
On the grow.
Veg area is
Cherry gas
Choco okie
Deathstar gojo
Oaxoa hash plant
Skunk 1
Dark helmet
Cement shoes gp okie (been calling it bricktop these days, bc it dont need no sugar, its already sweet enough )
I really fucking missed this place!


It’s kind of like going on vacation to like Africa and then two weeks into it. You realize that you locked your dogs in the house and you didn’t leave out any food you wonder if you’re gonna come back to find a bunch of dead dogs you know what I mean?


Glad ysll arent dead dogs or something.
Yep.
Fuck
HOWDY FUCKERS?

Hey you, if that is you're real name

While the proceeding intro fits this grow we (me and the thousands of those waiting in line for tix to see Frank and the band live New Year's eve 78) quoted this very intro and sang the song several times. Hoot and fkin' nanny

 

[FloridaMike]

Too little too late on
the thinning on Betty Lou,
but I can only do what I can do
if you know what I mean

It didn't help when she was
in the 5 gallon bucket res and
the air stone stopped up and I kilt
more than 1/2 of her big
beautiful root ball

Ima just call this a failed experiment
& try and salvage what I can
And chalk it up to lessons learnt...

 

[PlumberSoCal2]

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

We actually totally agree on this, ill start with that lol. Dont disagree with anything youve said here at all. Theres a reason im using PFFD as benchmark metric here not the power of a given light fixture. Doing it that way makes no sense with the variance between brands and even within brands. The best way to compare results between light fixtures is by balancing Luminous flux and Par both. They are both important when it comes to burning the tissues.


My point with it, is just that if your LED's are burning your plants in that territory, its because of another problem like you and me both said.

You dont fix that problem by backing off the light and waiting though, even if that makes the symptoms go away, you havent solved the source of the problem, just a tipping factor, and in doing so you hamper the end product. This is something im seeing happen over and oveer with questions asked here, and its another thing ive stopped trying to nuance when the question is asked because i get messaged in DM by (very obviously) novice growers with light stretched plants recommending people grow under like 350pffd of light. They dont realize their plants are burning above that range because other variables are out of whack.

There's a nuance to what im saying here that gets lost on a lot of newer growers. I already know it isn't on you.

If i get light burn at lower outputs i do indeed back the light off, but then i fix the problem and turn the light back up as soon as i can, because not doing that hampers your end result. Anything below roughly 1000pffd at center canopy in flower nets me a smaller, less consistent outcome plant to plant then otherwise. That is one thing thats been consistent light to light to light for me regardless of how easily they get damaged if something goes out of whack with light that intense.

You also see people turning their lights way down after receiving advice to do so when they only have a small amount of burn center tent on the highest growth. They think a sign that your greater canopy is actually in the goldilocks zone is actually a bad sign that somethings wrong. It's actually Quite the opposite. That is good news.

Might not be good news with a nearly 7kw equivalent bar light pushing probably 1200w. Youre definitely going to have to be careful with that, but also backing it up 6 inches or turning it down 20% makes a smaller overall differnce to output then with a smaller lower wattage light too.

15% lower on your light at like 3ft from canopy is like 5% lower on my light at 12" in terms of PAR reduction at canopy average. Likewise youd have to raise your light a ft or more to get the same PAR decrease moving mine up 2-3 inches would cause. And this is something very worth communicating to new growers********

I will also add that LED sensitivity is indeed a thing or at least appears to be on some plants. Especially common on one's with recent land race lineage.

Although the more im tinkering the more im convinced its a spectrum sensitivity then just a straight up LED sensitivity. My peaceblasters burn easy under full sopectrum panels with UV chips, but dont under ones without and Cool white LED fixtures. The plants seem to not be able to tell the difference between 6500k LED chips and 6500k T5 to me. Thats why im starting to lean towards the weird magnesium def and burn iossues on those ones being a spectrum sensitivity.

And in the panels with UV chips... my peaceblasters can take 2400pffd of sunlight with plenty of UV. Im thinking they just dont want to see the UV chips next to the cool white 6500k chips on my phlizon panels. My UV chip free full spectrum panels dont burn them, and neither does sunlight like i said.

I think its less LED sensitivity, and more that lineages still used to the sun just dont like cool white light with too much UV in it. Or something along those lines. You can combat their "led" sensitivity by giving extra magnesium, or by changing the spectrum either one... so my trinkerings are determining anyway. Im pretty sure i no longer think that has anything to do with LED light specifically.

 

[BearWater]

I tried to send plant pics from my phone to my email address and accidentally sent them to Josh's Frogs. They replied back asking how they can help me today. lmao

I'm done. I figure people who breed poison dart frogs probably smoke weed so whatever.

They didnt suggest more cal-mag did they?

 

[FloridaMike]

Guns, knives and fireworks, oh my!
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxiUwN2YTc2HgS109_3lfbvhq5jv-OC9pM?si=nFM3h1vktx8sI_Tt

 

[Mikedin]

They didnt suggest more cal-mag did they?