The True Origins of Haze

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The True Origin of Haze
Author Big Herb
It all began in 1969, In Santa Cruz, California. At the time, there was Thai Oaxacan and punto rojo or Colombian red point - some of the best landrace imports in the area, and some of the best smoke around. It was also at this time a local sufer boy named G, was enjoying his youth as many others during that era of freedom. Not particularly the cannabis lover, G. did not have the passion that most of us have for the sacred plant. Despite this, G saw an opportunity to make a quick buck while having a free smoke and some fun. In 1969, the riverside SoCal surfer backcrossed his punto rojo bagseed in what might be the luckiest” accident. This accident would go on to become most famous cannabis strain of all time. The pollen chuck created a very large amount of seed which was used for the duration of its existence.

During the next year the seeds produced the four varieties. I was given a description by Sams of “fruity``, “sour``,“rootbeer``,“cola``,“chocolate`` and “hashy``. Later, a more accurate description of each variety was given. The first being Magenta, which those in the inner-circle knew as the “Rootbeer pheno``, and the rest of the world knew as “purple haze``. Then, there was the “Gold`` which was known to carry musky sandlewood and pine traits. In actuality it smelt like catpiss late in flower, and before a cure. “Blue`` and “silver`` were of the Spicy Sweet peppery type, and silver was considered strongest- all of them had a deep rich lingering after-taste. The four varieties of original haze (magenta, gold, silver, and blue) were never stable, and each year had slight variations. The leaf pattern was always the same, and the colors were not cold induced. The calyxes only showed color as the leaf were always bright green. An indicator of true haze lineage is the appearance of a red sap when you cut a true haze plant. This indicator particularly showed itself in the purple pheno. The best plants were always volunteers from the previous year’s seed droppings.

The effect is what stood in memories of those lucky enough to experience this gem. Compared to be “acid-like``, it had a euphoric feeling which was very clear. This feeling was accompanied by extreme happiness and periods of laughter, while having no ceiling effect. What made the plant so special was the long period in which she stood in ground. The special plant stood in the ground for around nine months which cannot even compare to the eight to ten week indoor varieties of today. The long duration of the growth gave the plant the time to develop its complex flavors, aromas, and most of all, its effects. The harvest time is what’s known as harvest moon and takes place around December-many months of paranoia. In those days, the knowledge wasn’t as abundant or available as it is with today’s technological advances. The ripening of the trichomes wasn’t an indicator of when to harvest. Rather, pure instinct and a watchful eye coupled with patience were used for harvest. The plants weren’t selectively cut down after a nerve racking, and painstaking nine months. It was at this point in time that the entire crop was chopped down.

There is in existence, a famous yet quite rare “Original Haze Poster- The Cosmic Boogie -1976``. The poster explains in detail the soil recipe used, and both the germination and harvest times. This gorgeous master piece is credited to R.L. who was a partner of G, and one of the main growers for few years. Along with R.L., his girlfriend, and a graphic street artist, the poster was collaborative effort. A group effort, it was R.L’s idea, and his lovely girlfriend’s creative writing, along with the help from friends and the artist’s skillful work. The poster was sold at a local supply store, and was kept hidden under the counter. In order to obtain the item, you had to be in the know. Can you dig it.

G, the creator and main grower had a partner named R.L. for a few seasons. R.L. lived nearby and had his own greenhouse. G and R.L. grew upward of 150 pounds of haze each year. The pair never went by the name the haze brothers. The haze seed was highly protected and the grows were under tight control. Few were lucky enough to be part of the growing efforts. There were actually several players involved, but again they were all closely guarded. Many wanted in on the Haze grows, but access was strictly-off limits. R.C was one of them. Better known as Robert C.Clarke, R.C. was from the Cruz and was attending college at the time, practicing his craft- experimenting like a mad scientist, and working his way toward a bachelors and masters degree. R.C. followed his passion, and has made many contributions to our community since then with his books and articles. Another young man who lived in the Cruz , now known as Sam the Skunkman, went on to become a prolific figure in the cannabis movement and industry. The man’s contributions are immeasurable and his passion has shaped the cannabis evolution today. The effects of his contributions can especially be seen in what is considered today to be the cannabis Mecca Holland. When SAMS and R.C. came to Holland in 1984, the standard changed for high quality bud in Holland- a traditionally hash smoking country. Along with many of California’s praised genetics, he introduced Europe to haze.

During the seventies, three brothers from new jersey, two of whom were attending college in the Cruz , started to bring large amounts of the haze back east during a series of trips. The three brothers lets call Joey Bobby and Petey. All three brothers were great writers and cannabis connoisseurs who were the ones to coin the name “haze brothers``. While No one else called them by the name, the Santa Cruz team had created more creative names for the brothers. The eldest brother, J whom I spoke with recently has been quite busy and furthermore successful is doing quite well. Throughout the years, J followed his passion went on to become a great writer and still lives in the Cruz. Back then, J was cut out of the circle for breaking the cardinal rule which was the kiss of death. The brothers were strictly consumers that brokered large amounts of haze back east. They knew nothing about growing it, but they were very familiar with smoking it. During the late 1970’s, most of the haze on the east coast, particularly the tri-state area, came from the brothers.

The haze seed was Never sold, and remained highly protected for good reason. With the wide spread distribution of the haze, at its height of operation hundreds of pounds were produced. It is no wonder that others tried to create their own legend or tale of discovery, and so we see haze traits in various hybrids. So, the idea of haze seed landing in hands of many far and wide is highly probable as there was occasionally a seed found. There is no question that over the course of years, beans got spread. Others outside the circle smoked the haze and likely grew out of the seeds that were found here and there. So, there is the blue dream haze hybrid from Cali along with NYC hazes and many others which are not spoken of or shared. The haze survives in many hybrids all along the both coast, then you have the Dutch offerings which we have Sam to thank for.

The year 1976 was a very eventful year- The years crops were enormous. The year brought Extraordinary Haze flowers- many so huge that the branches broke because of the weight. This was the year the historic haze poster was released, and it was also at time that G and R.L had a fallout that ended their partnership. For a short time after, R.L did his own grow locally, then went to Mexico. Rumor has it that he went to grow large scale for a syndicate. G hasn’t spoke to R.L since the split, and it is thought he might be deceased.

The haze survives today in several known hybrids- once again thanks to Sams. The taste and the aromas can be recognized by some of the old timers who were privileged enough to have experienced the haze from Santa Cruz. As for the effects, that is another story. Now, Sam the skunk man has without doubt brought original haze stock to Holland, but in exactly what form, pure or hybrid, is unknown. G said that he did not give SAMS haze stock, But acknowledges he did live on the block and did some trimming. Therefore there is the possibility he collected seed working with, or smoking the varieties. Personally I believe that the latter was more probable. Sam had relations with R.L., and he had much of the same seed stock that G worked with. Remember, R.L. did his own thing for a while, and it’s very likely Sams got plenty of seeds from him. This is quite clear by many post of Sams that reference his haze genetics from 1976.

Thanks to Sam the skunk man’s preservation, the haze has survived in several forms from a number of different companies. The reported haze stock which was once, and probably still is pure can be found from the flying Dutchmen, Seedsman and Tom hill. The most prestigious hybrids come from MNS- Mr. Nice seedbank from haze stock obtained by Nevil Schoenmaker in 1985, from Sams. Then there is Cultivator’s choice selections of haze hybrids made from SAMS- some of which are still available. In 1981, just as the accident came about, it all ended. After about a 10 year run, the haze failed to produce. The buds were too thin and wispy for commercial production. It started as an accident, a pollen chuck, and since G was not a breeder, he never stabilized or backcrossed the plant. As a result of this the plant soon died out .The search was on for something new. Sams returned to the cruz and sold G a large amount of Skunk seed which was easier to grow, and which happily filled the void.

Always Remember that the Original haze started with the sufer boy G thenexpanded with R.L. G and R.L never referred to themselves as the Haze Brothers- that title goes to the three brothers from New Jersey who are responsible for introducing much of the east coast to the magic from Santa Cruz. The title original haze thought of by G, is derived from Jimi Hendrix purple haze song. Sams is responsible for spreading haze stock by bringing it to Holland. It is because of his preservation, determination, and dedication and love of this sacred plant that the younger generations, such as myself, still have the opportunity to have a taste of the most magical strain of all time.

For the haze heads, I’d like to say that G is doing well ,while his memories are fading. (The time has come for the true origins of the original haze to be told, and for G’s story to forever burn. In our mind, hearts, and haze blooded bud we bud for eternity. ) Haze seeds are still held by G as I’m sure some others. While there hasn’t been any success with germination, as of recent, several attempts and methods have been applied and anything is possible. Keep in mind the same way the accident started it can happen again. So let’s get cracking.

Much love, respect, and thanks to everyone mentioned above. Credit goes to DJ of Santa Cruz who has been patient and kind enough to share his experiences as well as G’s with me. This is compiled from my many hours of haze homework, extremely deep passion to know every detail and my relentless pursuit of the truth. This is the story I was told this is the true origins of haze.


















Copyrights 2011
Big Herb

Autobiography

My passion for haze started as a young teen, growing up in New York City. At the time, the neighborhood I grew up in had many varieties of the most popular cannabis strains on the market. During 1998-2002 the best selections of haze frequented the area I lived in. There have been many slang terms threw the years to label specific haze selections such Uptowns, Puday, Church, Silvers and sometime after I was going uptown Piff or Piffington as some of the locals called it. Frankies was the most sought after haze variety to come out of New York City. The name Frankies derived from frankincense which is a trait that is unmistakable highly desired and cannot be forgotten by anyone who has just one toke. Derived from slang used by the older guys who kept the strain in circulation. It is thought of by anyone who was lucky enough to have the experience, simply as the best.
This lead my quest in search to find the source of Frankies, Washington heights known to the New Yorkers as the home of the haze. I have taken many trips on the A train and C train to the heights hot spots. I’ve sampled countless varieties of haze that range from good to amazing, Express Thai, Mexican and Colombian traits. The staples of taste and aromas of NYC haze are spice, incense, catpiss and what we call basement or leather. But nothing can compare to Frankies, growing up it was common and easy to find, these days it has become elusive. This legendary strain that us native New Yorkers know as haze is no legend. This is what we grew up smoking, just like the city there is nothing sweet about it this is what we know as haze.

“More incense and less nonsense” Big Herb
 
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My wish is for the world to know the truth ,thats it .

This is info which was gifted to me this is not an opinon but the story i was told .

This story coincides with all the research i have done during my time on the net .I have no doubt in my heart an mind this is fact i have spoke with folk who are not on the net .


I am just sharing what i was told an what ive learned along the way.

I hope this can remain a civil thread an i will try to clear anything that might not be understood but again im just telling someone elses story


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this was a great read Big Herb. good job on it. its been a minute since i have come across any haze in NYC.
 
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Awesome story, great read. I am a big fan of Haze. Currently growing out some bagseed that a friend brought back from Mexico, he said it was the best he had seen or smoked in the last 10 years there, described it as very Haze- like, even the locals were astonished. I plan on breeding like a madman with any decent phenos, chucking pollen like the hippies of old, on some of the neo- " Haze " strains of today. Hopefully I can pull out some truly old school, Haze worthy genetics.
 
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Fine story bigherb.
Thanks for your efforts.

Can somebody clarify this for me:
"In 1981, just as the accident came about, it all ended. After about a 10 year run, the haze failed to produce. The buds were too thin and wispy for commercial production."

Were these grown as wild fields, or were the males pulled?

I don't know enough about breeding to understand how one crop failure could end such a historic line.
 
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this was a wonderful read...i grew up in jerz and we blazed haze all day but the est was from ny all day! i used to get mine from uptown and the bx back in 2000 maaaan i miss it! i only found yellow seeds if any and back the i wasnt thinkin about growin :( lol i had a dominican homie back then that i was cool wit that had some fire and he said he could get me a cut but like i said before i had no interest in growin then he disappeared as alot of people do...so now years later i know missed out big time! alot people didnt care where it came from but i always did so now that i know it feels great thanx bigherb! much respect!
 
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interesting story - thanks for sharing - is there anymore good reads on here like this if so and someone is kind enough i would love to be pointed in the right direction as a kid i grew up in the tri -state area - my biggest smoking years were between 84-to currently and all i really remember were people saying i got lambsbreath, panama red, thai stick or columbian gold, though my boy's older brother who was about 15 years older than us would occasianlly give us some really dank green wet weed that he would say his buddy had fed ex from vietnam from someone he met over there in war, in hind sight is was probally just good weed not dried - peace and thanks cool shit.......bigherb
 
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I actually took the time to read this (in two days to be honest) but thanks mann! what a great read on the history of one of my most beloved type of herb!!

HAZE RULES!
 
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I truly apprecaite all the kindness much love an respect

It makes me smile to know this was appreciated

I know it may raise questions as it has in some discussion at Mns

well i welcome any opinions an questions an i will try to explain best i can but i dont have all the answers


Dunge

not fields but green houses

The plant was never stabilized ,there was no work done .therefore after 10 years it lost the vigor an was no longer considerable for a commercial grow


North

Im from NYC it anint possible

10 yrs or soo ???

The copy right is because i dont want some fool taking credit for the information i gathered after 41 yrs of not being known


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Hey ya BigHerb ,

Keep the Info flowin . With 41 yrs ya surely got Much to Share with Fellow Farmers ,,,
 
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Thank you for sharing your knowledge there is a lot of misleading info on the web about this subject.

now its time to roll up some metalhaze in your honour!
 
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The best ''Hazes'' i have smoked were haze by Tom Hill, A5 haze and Mexican haze!
especially the mexican left me good memories and experiences!
 
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He'll yeah Bigherb!
Got a couple of questions about current haze...

Did you contribute to any of the Grail hazes that Nev is woring on?(NYC haze)
I can't keep track who donated what.

Have you tried the 80s cut Nl5xHaze going around?


Love your posts @ MNS
Your a sativa NInjA!
 
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I met the Haze Brothers at a house party in Santa Cruz in the late 60`s.They really didn`t know that much about breeding as I remember. There smoke was great stuff and It was just known locally at the time. I met Sam the Skunkman also.Didn`t like him ,bad vibes. That turned out to be a good thing as he turned snitch with the Feds some time later and a few people I know went down because of him. I did some trades for some of the Haze`s seeds. Can`t remember what I gave them by they seemed happy with the trade.I`m not 100% sure but seemed there were three of them but maybe one was a half brother or cuz? Maybe it was he was the youngest one,can`t remember.At that time they weren`t protecting there stock as I remember,more like they were showing everything off to me and ended up asking me a bunch of questions about breeding.They were also very intrested in my older friend Tim who made LSD and had herd of him in the News. I don`t remember that much about those times except they sure had alot of fine chic`s at there parties! Yep days of free love were golden!
 
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The True Origin of Haze

Much love, respect, and thanks to everyone mentioned above. Credit goes to DJ of Santa Cruz who has been patient and kind enough to share his experiences as well as G’s with me. This is compiled from my many hours of haze homework, extremely deep passion to know every detail and my relentless pursuit of the truth. This is the story I was told this is the true origins of haze.


















Copyrights 2011
Big Herb

Autobiography

My passion for haze started as a young teen, growing up in New York City. At the time, the neighborhood I grew up in had many varieties of the most popular cannabis strains on the market. During 1998-2002 the best selections of haze frequented the area I lived in. There have been many slang terms threw the years to label specific haze selections such Uptowns, Puday, Church, Silvers and sometime after I was going uptown Piff or Piffington as some of the locals called it. Frankies was the most sought after haze variety to come out of New York City. The name Frankies derived from frankincense which is a trait that is unmistakable highly desired and cannot be forgotten by anyone who has just one toke. Derived from slang used by the older guys who kept the strain in circulation. It is thought of by anyone who was lucky enough to have the experience, simply as the best.
This lead my quest in search to find the source of Frankies, Washington heights known to the New Yorkers as the home of the haze. I have taken many trips on the A train and C train to the heights hot spots. I’ve sampled countless varieties of haze that range from good to amazing, Express Thai, Mexican and Colombian traits. The staples of taste and aromas of NYC haze are spice, incense, catpiss and what we call basement or leather. But nothing can compare to Frankies, growing up it was common and easy to find, these days it has become elusive. This legendary strain that us native New Yorkers know as haze is no legend. This is what we grew up smoking, just like the city there is nothing sweet about it this is what we know as haze.

“More incense and less nonsense” Big Herb



All due respect to you Herb , but a bunch of it's in error. And as usual it's puts robes on and sets on a pedestal two of the most opportunistic HUCKSTERS ever to come down the pike in this thing , one of whom turned RAT. And bot of whom are now trying to hand this whole thing off to Big Pharma to line their own pockets.

And YEAH ( though it's akin to pissing on some sort " Kings" feet) I AM talking about Clarke and I am talking about " Sam Th Skunkman"........

Now go ahead a yap at me if you feel you have to. I *lived* in Los Gatos and Santa Cruz county during the era in question and I know *exactly* what went on.

And quite frankly **both** these guys , just like " Romulan Joe " ( who was Mendocino Joe prior to bailing north to Vancouver............and NO he did not develop of "invent" Romulan) get a lot of credit that's not due them and managed tp parlay luck and tromping on others backs while riding in their work into " legendary status".

Sam was ***NOT*** " Sacred Seeds , and YEAH I'll say that straight up face to face and call him a prevaricating chunk of smegma , the group existed prior to him and for long after , though it got tightened up quite considerably after he ran like a Rat up a Rope to a schooner.

And yes there are some folks still around , but you'll never hear about them and most will keep their yaps shut , the ones that got famous were the P.T.Barnum types to whom that " fame" was the most important thing and indeed the primary purpose far beyond the weed itself. Other folks weren't so damned freaking BRAINDEAD STUPID as to have actually wanted to be " household names" about grass in that era , not even down in Los Gatos and in the S.C. Mountains.

What became famous was mostly the Rogues Gallery of hustlers , thieves , snitches and junkies. And they're still there and still hustling and On The Grind , just on a bigger scale than ever.

And y'all might be surprised at what still comes outa some places in those pissant little mountains , and it's NOT over roundabout Loma Prieta and Umunhum where they have popped all the big commercials in the last few years.

There will be folks here who remember places like to Holy City Zoo , The Chateau Liberte' the Galactic Zoo , Mesa's............and also how many folks lived in some places such as Chemeketa Park , Redwood Estates.back up in Zayante when it was still dirt and sand through the middle and closed half the year , the canyons up behind Corralitos , Love Creek before the Storm of '82 and the Slide ( still a buncha people under that they never found including two kids whose parents were killed too) folks above the slide walked in and out and did without power for a long time , and then ultimately the county redtagged and condemned a bunch of houses.

And by the way folks , Sam the " Skunkman" wasn't the *first* American to go to the Netherlands with genetics from the scene over here. He was just the best selfpromoter.
 
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I always love reading and re-reading the stories about where haze comes from. Totally the best tale to be told in all of canna-dom. I would love to have one of the haze calendars/posters that they used to sell under the counter at the head shops around santa cruz, the one with all the info on how to grow the hazes along with the astrological info and dates to plant and harvest. I would frame that and hang it proudly that would be an awesome conversation piece.
 
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Wonderful reading :)
Just love this
as fractal also says, i would love a haze calander (or any cb calander for that matter)
Anyone knows were i can order? They dont sell it in my country ;)
 
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I remember getting a pure haze grown indoors in SFL in the last 80s.

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