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It now goes to federal court.
The War on Medical Marijuana in MI Super Thread, NEWS,BUST,LAWS <<<<Updated Often>>>>
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Federal lawsuit by pot petitioners seeks to halt Michigan ballot printing
Two people who signed and circulated petitions for Michigan's recreational marijuana vote have filed a federal lawsuit meant to stop the printing of November ballots until the signatures are counted.
They argue Michigan voters should decide marijuana legalization.
The lawsuit, filed Thursday, Sept. 8, in U.S. District Court in the Eastern District of Michigan, seeks a temporary restraining order, preliminary and permanent injunction against the Michigan Secretary of State and other defendants.
"This action seeks one outcome-- to order defendants to not print any ballots until they canvass and count the petition signatures, including Plaintiffs', and if enough, to place the MI Legalize proposal on the ballot of the next general election..."
MI Legalize wants Michigan voters to decide on legalization of marijuana for people 21 and older.
The group turned in 354,000 signatures, more than the total needed to qualify, but rules making signatures older than 180 days void and stale blocked it from the ballot.
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Board members for MILegalize, Josh Covert, 39 of East Lansing, left, and Nick Zettell, 25, right, wait outside the Secretary of State Elections Division with 61 boxes full of around 350,000 petition signatures, at 430 W. Allegan St. Lansing, June 1, 2016. (Samantha Madar | Mlive.com)
Samantha Madar | [email protected]
Plaintiffs Sean Michael Myers and Dakota Blue Serna are both registered voters and signed petitions more than 180 days before they were filed with the state.
http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2016/09/federal_lawsuit_by_pot_petitio.html#comments
The federal lawsuit argues that the reubttle presumption, the statute that says signatures older than 180 days are presumed to void, is unconstitutional, as well as its use.
"The 1986 Board of Canvassers policy to utilize the rebuttable presumption, which all parties acknowledge has never been utilized and is impossible for Plaintiff to comply with, is unconstitutional," the lawsuit reads.
It asks the court to expedite the lawsuit because of the election timeline, and with ballots being printed Friday, Sept. 9.
After MI Legalize turned in its 354,000 signatures, the legislature passed a law strictly enforcing the 180-day rule.
Pot petition in limbo as Gov. Rick Snyder signs law tightening signature timeline
Those petitioning voters for a spot on Michigan's ballot will have a strict 180 days to gather signatures under a law signed by Gov. Rick Snyder Tuesday.
The federal suit argues there is still time for canvassing and the ballots to be printed with the marijuana ballot question included.
"Courts can rule expeditiously on elections cases, including ordering reprint of ballots," it states.
It comes on the heels of a court battle that just ended in Michigan, as attorneys appealed the case to the Michigan Court of Appeals and the Michigan Supreme Court, both of which declined to hear arguments.
Attorney Jeffrey Hank, who represented MI Legalize in the state courts, said he is working on an appeal with the U.S. Supreme Court with the same goal, of getting the signatures counted.
Two people who signed and circulated petitions for Michigan's recreational marijuana vote have filed a federal lawsuit meant to stop the printing of November ballots until the signatures are counted.
They argue Michigan voters should decide marijuana legalization.
The lawsuit, filed Thursday, Sept. 8, in U.S. District Court in the Eastern District of Michigan, seeks a temporary restraining order, preliminary and permanent injunction against the Michigan Secretary of State and other defendants.
"This action seeks one outcome-- to order defendants to not print any ballots until they canvass and count the petition signatures, including Plaintiffs', and if enough, to place the MI Legalize proposal on the ballot of the next general election..."
MI Legalize wants Michigan voters to decide on legalization of marijuana for people 21 and older.
The group turned in 354,000 signatures, more than the total needed to qualify, but rules making signatures older than 180 days void and stale blocked it from the ballot.
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Board members for MILegalize, Josh Covert, 39 of East Lansing, left, and Nick Zettell, 25, right, wait outside the Secretary of State Elections Division with 61 boxes full of around 350,000 petition signatures, at 430 W. Allegan St. Lansing, June 1, 2016. (Samantha Madar | Mlive.com)
Samantha Madar | [email protected]
Plaintiffs Sean Michael Myers and Dakota Blue Serna are both registered voters and signed petitions more than 180 days before they were filed with the state.
http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2016/09/federal_lawsuit_by_pot_petitio.html#comments
The federal lawsuit argues that the reubttle presumption, the statute that says signatures older than 180 days are presumed to void, is unconstitutional, as well as its use.
"The 1986 Board of Canvassers policy to utilize the rebuttable presumption, which all parties acknowledge has never been utilized and is impossible for Plaintiff to comply with, is unconstitutional," the lawsuit reads.
It asks the court to expedite the lawsuit because of the election timeline, and with ballots being printed Friday, Sept. 9.
After MI Legalize turned in its 354,000 signatures, the legislature passed a law strictly enforcing the 180-day rule.
Pot petition in limbo as Gov. Rick Snyder signs law tightening signature timeline
Those petitioning voters for a spot on Michigan's ballot will have a strict 180 days to gather signatures under a law signed by Gov. Rick Snyder Tuesday.
The federal suit argues there is still time for canvassing and the ballots to be printed with the marijuana ballot question included.
"Courts can rule expeditiously on elections cases, including ordering reprint of ballots," it states.
It comes on the heels of a court battle that just ended in Michigan, as attorneys appealed the case to the Michigan Court of Appeals and the Michigan Supreme Court, both of which declined to hear arguments.
Attorney Jeffrey Hank, who represented MI Legalize in the state courts, said he is working on an appeal with the U.S. Supreme Court with the same goal, of getting the signatures counted.
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Cluster fucked.
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It's called representative government and they're only in it for themselves. Today with the technology we have, there is no reason (other than greed) the people can't vote on every issue. I mean....it's our fucking money and they use it against us 24-7 thinking of ways to fuck us over. That's like the nazi's footing the bill during WWII for the US, GB and Russia to come kick their ass.
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Komorn had a show on Sunday, link below if you want to listen. FF to the 10 minute mark to get past the music.
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Inside the Legal Struggles of Michigan's Medicinal Marijuana Industry
Last night's episode of VICELAND's Weediquette focused on how police forces in Michigan are using civil asset forfeiture to target legally run medicinal marijuana businesses in the state. We talked to Weediquette host Krishna Andavolu about his reflections after filming the episode; an edited and condensed version of his comments are below.
In Michigan, medical marijuana is legal—but last year, arrest rates were on the rise. Why? It seems like marijuana legalization is meant to at least take the drug out of the realm of the criminal justice system, but while doing research for this season of Weediquette, we found out that there's still a strong incentive for police officers to go after legal marijuana growers in Michigan. The doctrine that the incentive is based off of is called civil asset forfeiture—which means that if a cop busts you, he or she can take your stuff in addition to throwing you in jail and charging you.
Even though medical marijuana growers have cards that say that they're legally allowed to grow, civil asset forfeiture incentivizes police departments in Michigan to pursue really small technical violations—for instance, if there's a lock on a door that isn't secure enough, or a key to a room in your grow house or dispensary is left on a counter when it should've been in a safe space. So law enforcement targets medical marijuana growers, finds enough evidence to justify a raid, takes all the growers' stuff, and then makes an excuse for it after the fact.
However, the St. Clair County drug task force got wind of what they were doing, raided their grow facility, dispensary, and home, and took more than $80,000 worth of their goods. Losing the money and goods was bad enough—but their kids were also at home when the SWAT team came through the door, so their nine-year-old daughter is the one who saw the door broken down and men with guns rushing in.
You could look at the Shattucks and say, "I'm sure they were doing something wrong." But a SWAT team seems like a disproportionate reaction. It's an issue of how you implement medical marijuana legalization, but also of what we ask for in our community policing. What's the relationship between those who are being policed and the police themselves? How do you balance making sure that the marketplace is legitimate while also respecting the people who are already operating legitimately in the marketplace? The Shattucks did everything they could to show the cops that they were doing the right thing—they met with the police department and showed the cops all their paperwork—but that didn't stop the police from going after them two months later.
Another family we talked to, the Fishers, were in a hearing about a similar criminal case against them, and under cross-examination, the police officer who conducted the raid was asked if he questioned the family about whether they had medical marijuana cards—and he said no. There aren't lawmakers who are trying to crack down on this stuff, so in a lot of cases drug task forces have no legislative oversight, meaning it's up to individual cases in court to set any sort of precedent.
On Weediquette, we cover a lot of different stories—stories about medicine and recreational drug use—and this story is about how pot has always made it easy for law enforcement to go after vulnerable communities. We're on a trajectory where medical marijuana and marijuana in general is going to become legal—it feels inevitable and that the war on drugs will also inevitable fade away—but stories like this bring to light that there's a lot to still fight for.
http://www.vice.com/read/weediquette-viceland-michigan-krishna-andavolu
Last night's episode of VICELAND's Weediquette focused on how police forces in Michigan are using civil asset forfeiture to target legally run medicinal marijuana businesses in the state. We talked to Weediquette host Krishna Andavolu about his reflections after filming the episode; an edited and condensed version of his comments are below.
In Michigan, medical marijuana is legal—but last year, arrest rates were on the rise. Why? It seems like marijuana legalization is meant to at least take the drug out of the realm of the criminal justice system, but while doing research for this season of Weediquette, we found out that there's still a strong incentive for police officers to go after legal marijuana growers in Michigan. The doctrine that the incentive is based off of is called civil asset forfeiture—which means that if a cop busts you, he or she can take your stuff in addition to throwing you in jail and charging you.
Even though medical marijuana growers have cards that say that they're legally allowed to grow, civil asset forfeiture incentivizes police departments in Michigan to pursue really small technical violations—for instance, if there's a lock on a door that isn't secure enough, or a key to a room in your grow house or dispensary is left on a counter when it should've been in a safe space. So law enforcement targets medical marijuana growers, finds enough evidence to justify a raid, takes all the growers' stuff, and then makes an excuse for it after the fact.
However, the St. Clair County drug task force got wind of what they were doing, raided their grow facility, dispensary, and home, and took more than $80,000 worth of their goods. Losing the money and goods was bad enough—but their kids were also at home when the SWAT team came through the door, so their nine-year-old daughter is the one who saw the door broken down and men with guns rushing in.
You could look at the Shattucks and say, "I'm sure they were doing something wrong." But a SWAT team seems like a disproportionate reaction. It's an issue of how you implement medical marijuana legalization, but also of what we ask for in our community policing. What's the relationship between those who are being policed and the police themselves? How do you balance making sure that the marketplace is legitimate while also respecting the people who are already operating legitimately in the marketplace? The Shattucks did everything they could to show the cops that they were doing the right thing—they met with the police department and showed the cops all their paperwork—but that didn't stop the police from going after them two months later.
Another family we talked to, the Fishers, were in a hearing about a similar criminal case against them, and under cross-examination, the police officer who conducted the raid was asked if he questioned the family about whether they had medical marijuana cards—and he said no. There aren't lawmakers who are trying to crack down on this stuff, so in a lot of cases drug task forces have no legislative oversight, meaning it's up to individual cases in court to set any sort of precedent.
On Weediquette, we cover a lot of different stories—stories about medicine and recreational drug use—and this story is about how pot has always made it easy for law enforcement to go after vulnerable communities. We're on a trajectory where medical marijuana and marijuana in general is going to become legal—it feels inevitable and that the war on drugs will also inevitable fade away—but stories like this bring to light that there's a lot to still fight for.
http://www.vice.com/read/weediquette-viceland-michigan-krishna-andavolu
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Haven't watched that episode yet. Great show, absolutely LOVE it, as well as the channel itself.
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Was just going to post that Oscar, good call. F.T.P.
Lots of ppl getting fucked over out there. They take your stuff and then offer to LET you buy your own stuff back.
Lots of ppl getting fucked over out there. They take your stuff and then offer to LET you buy your own stuff back.
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The Path To Amnesty For Persons Investigated, Arrested, Prosecuted, Convicted For Marihuana Charges, Related To Possessing Non-Plant Medical Marihuana
Posted by Michael Komorn , 07 October 2016 · 494 views
House Bill 4210 of 2016 Public Act 283 of 2016 Retroactive application Conviction expungement cannabis oil
What Happened?
On Tuesday September 22, 2016 Governor Rick Snyder signed into law several new bills allowing a state wide regulated licensing scheme for the Medical Marihuana Industry (House Bill 4209 – The Medical Marihuana Facilities Licensing Act). Unlike The Michigan Medical Marihuana Licensing Act, which created a new law, House Bill 4210 amended the Michigan Medical Marihuana Act. The MMMA was specifically amended by changing the title and sections 3, 4, 6, and 7 (MCL 333.26423, 333.26424, 333.26426, and 333.26427), sections 3 and 4 as amended by 2012 PA 512 and section 6 as amended by 2012 PA 514, and by adding sections 4a and 4b.
When House Bill 4210 was signed into law, the most significant and important aspect of the new legislation was the amendatory language included within the amendments. Specifically, the amendments included the following language:
"This amendatory act clarifies ambiguities in the law in accordance with the original intent of the people, as expressed in section 2(b) of the Michigan medical marihuana act, 2008 IL 1, MCL 333.26422:
This amendatory act is curative and applies retroactively as to the following: clarifying the quantities and forms of marihuana for which a person is protected from arrest, precluding an interpretation of “weight” as aggregate weight, and excluding an added inactive substrate component of a preparation in determining the amount of marihuana, medical marihuana, or usable marihuana that constitutes an offense. Retroactive application of this amendatory act does not create a cause of action against a law enforcement officer or any other state or local governmental officer, employee, department, or agency that enforced this act under a good-faith interpretation of its provisions at the time of enforcement."
Do the New Amendments to the MMMA Help or Hurt Patients and Caregivers?
Enacting section 1. This amendatory act takes effect 90 days after the date it is enacted into law.
Enacting section 2. This amendatory act clarifies ambiguities in the law in accordance with the original intent of the people, as expressed in section 2(b) of the Michigan medical marihuana act, 2008 IL 1, MCL 333.26422:
“(b) Data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation Uniform Crime Reports and the Compendium of Federal Justice Statistics show that approximately 99 out of every 100 marihuana arrests in the United States are made under state law, rather than under federal law. Consequently, changing state law will have the practical effect of protecting from arrest the vast majority of seriously ill people who have a medical need to use marihuana.”. [Emphasis added.]
In November of 2008, 63% of Michigan voters overwhelmingly passed the Voter Initiative Proposition 1, acknowledging that cannabis is medicine, and that physicians, patients, and their caregivers would be protected from arrest prosecution and penalty of any kind. In the history of Michigan elections, the 3.3 million votes cast approving Michigan’s Medical Marihuana Voter Initiative was the most votes in the history of Michigan elections. An often overlooked and never quoted or cited, in any Michigan Court of Appeal or Michigan Supreme Court cases, are the following passage from the MMMA
The people of the State of Michigan find and declare that:
1. Cannabis is, in fact, Medicine.
(a) Modern medical research, including as found by the National Academy of Sciences' Institute of Medicine in a March 1999 report, has discovered beneficial uses for marihuana in treating or alleviating the pain, nausea, and other symptoms associated with a variety of debilitating medical conditions. 333.26422(a)
Similar to Michigan, at least 24 other states1 and Washington, DC have passed medical marihuana laws, however pursuant to federal law it remains illegal, a schedule 1 drug, making it challenging for research within the United States. Despite its federal classification there has been an enormous amount of medical research regarding medical cannabis.
2. Persons engaging in the Medical Use of Marihuana, specifically those defined as Patients and Caregivers, should be protected from criminal prosecutions.
(b) Data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation Uniform Crime Reports and the Compendium of Federal Justice Statistics show that approximately 99 out of every 100 marihuana arrests in the United States are made under state law, rather than under federal law. Consequently, changing state law will have the practical effect of protecting from arrest the vast majority of seriously ill people who have a medical need to use marihuana. 333.26422(b)
3. The intent of the MMMA was explicitly for the health and welfare of Michigan Citizens and not for police and government profit.
© Although federal law currently prohibits any use of marihuana except under very limited circumstances, states are not required to enforce federal law or prosecute people for engaging in activities prohibited by federal law. The laws of Alaska, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Vermont, Rhode Island, and Washington do not penalize the medical use and cultivation of marihuana. Michigan joins in this effort for the health and welfare of its citizens. 333.26422©
The above reference language in the MMMA is found in the Findings and Declarations section MCL 333.26242 (a-c).
This declared that the intent of the MMMA was explicitly for the health, benefit, and welfare of Michigan citizens and not for police and government profit!
In addition to the 2008 Michigan Medical Marihuana Act, Michigan voters have approved proposals for the legalization or decriminalization of marijuana in 21 Michigan cities since 2011. (Initiatives to decriminalize marijuana have been approved in 15 communities: Detroit, Grand Rapids, Lansing, Flint, Kalamazoo, Saginaw, Port Huron, East Lansing, Mount Pleasant, Ypsilanti, Berkeley, Hazel Park, Huntington Woods, Oak Park, and Pleasant Ridge. Since 2009, only a handful of ballot proposals were voted down in six communities: Frankfort, Clare, Harrison, Lapeer, Onaway, and Montrose.)
Since the MMMA was enacted continued overwhelming support for the legalizing or decriminalizing of marihuana has continued throughout the state, particularly at the local level.
Why Did the Legislature Amend the MMMA?
Why am I talking about the Findings and Declarations Section of the MMMA MCL 333.26242 (a-c)?
These facts are important when trying to understand the most recent Michigan State Police Data that indicates arrests for marijuana possession or use are increasing — even as arrests for other crimes are going down, according to data collected by the Michigan State Police.
Between 2008 and 2014, arrests for marijuana possession or use went up 17 percent statewide, that data shows, while arrests for all crimes dropped by 15 percent. Despite these facts arrests for marijuana possession or use went up 17% between 2008 and 2014, according to data from the Michigan State Police.
Since 2008, marihuana arrest in Michigan have risen 17%. The Michigan State Police have reported consistently since 2012 forfeiture proceeds in the amount of 24-26 million dollars per year. (See 2015 Michigan State Police Asset Forfeiture Report)
The former director of the Michigan State Police Forensic Science Division – Gregoire Michaud has stated publicly that the forensic lab spends 40 percent of its resources testing marihuana, and that is the reason that they have been unable to catch up on the backlog of evidence rape kits.
Additional disturbing trends from the Michigan State Police’s Data as reflected in a recent article from station 9 & 10's where Blayke Roznowski and photojournalist Noah Jurik talked to prosecutors and the states representative who authored the Bills and asked specifically how local law enforcement are reacting to the changes and how they'll handle medical marijuana now.
How Will Police And Prosecutors Handle It Going Forward?
This is what they said:
"Hopefully, there are some clarifications there," Cheboygan County prosecutor Daryl Vizina said.
Police and courts are determining how they go forward after years of confusion over the Michigan Medical Marijuana Act.
"We had a lot of people assuming they knew what the law was," Vizina said. "They didn't, the prosecutors didn't, law enforcement didn't. It's been a mess in a way."
Michigan State Police say they are working with the Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs and prosecutors to make sure they understand the law and enforce them properly.
It's something the sponsor of one of the bills, state representative Mike Callton, says will make enforcement easier.
"Let's say policeman pulls a person over and they have a medicine container in their car. Well, it's got a bar code or scantron on it and police can determine from that scantron, where it's been grown, who transported it, where it was tested, where it was refined, if it was refined and where they bought it and that this is, indeed, the medicine for this patient," Callton said.
Prosecutors like Daryl Vizina in Cheboygan County hope the laws will be more clear to people in the medical marijuana community.
"It's just kind of been a learning process where charges get charged, maybe somebody gets prosecuted, maybe later down the line a higher court overturns the conviction," Vizina said.
Really???
Also but directly relevant to this rant, the journalist also captured the following quotes.
In the long run, lawmakers think the new laws will eliminate doubt, and increase safety when it comes to medical marijuana.
"We needed a way for patients to get this kind of medicine without having to buy it from somebody named Rick in the back alley," Callton said. "There had to be a legitimate way for people to buy this."
Law Enforcement React to New Medical Marijuana Laws
It is unequivocal that in 2008, Michigan voters declared that marihuana is medicine, persons engaging in the medical use of marihuana should be protected from criminal prosecutions, and the intent of the MMMA was explicitly for the benefit of the health and welfare of Michigan citizens and not for police and government profit. It is often hard to understand how a law that received more than 50% vote in all 83 counties in Michigan could have been so poorly misinterpreted and implemented. To the extent that one believes that the intention of the MMMA was to provide a shield for patients and caregivers, it is hard to reconcile the overwhelming evidence (from the Michigan State Police data). Very little of the voters’ intention was honored. Instead, the Law Enforcement Community has utilized the MMMA as a sword, resulting in a string of 8 years of success defined by the increase of marihuana arrests and consistent profits from forfeiture proceeds.
The bills signed into law by the Governor create a state-wide regulated licensing scheme for the Medical Marihuana Industry, and also include amendments to the MMMA. However, listening to how the Law Enforcement Community reacted to this news gives some insight into how the Law Enforcement Community has been able to get away with its treatment of patients and caregivers for the last 8 years. As so articulated by Michigan State Police and the Cheboygan County prosecutor Daryl Vizina, (who claims to be speaking on behalf of all prosecutors and all law enforcement), ignorance of the law shall be their excuse.
Michigan State Police say they are working with the Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs and prosecutors to make sure they understand the law and enforce them properly.
"Hopefully, there are some clarifications there." “Police and courts are determining how they go forward after years of confusion over the Michigan Medical Marijuana Act.” "We had a lot of people assuming they knew what the law was," Vizina said. "They didn't, the prosecutors didn't, law enforcement didn't. It's been a mess in a way." Prosecutors like Daryl Vizina in Cheboygan County hope the laws will be more clear to people in the medical marijuana community. "It's just kind of been a learning process where charges get charged, maybe somebody gets prosecuted, maybe later down the line a higher court overturns the conviction," Vizina said.
The above quotes from those within the law enforcement community should bring shame to them personally, but most importantly their profession. For starters, never has the Michigan State Police previously made a public statement that they are trying to learn about the MMMA, the medical use of marihuana or even how they as law enforcement officer shall enforce issues surrounding “usable marihuana.” To see them quoted 8 years after the enactment of the MMMA, that they are NOW going to make sure they understand the law and enforce them properly, sounds more like an apology for not previously understanding the law and previously properly enforcing it.
But the quotes by the Cheboygan County prosecutor Daryl Vizina, (who claims to be speaking on behalf of all prosecutors and all law enforcement), is truly amazing. As a lawyer, I interpret his quotes as a confession to crimes he and others in the law enforcement community committed against the Medical Marihuana Community. In my opinion you cannot do these things without saying that you have violated your duty as a prosecutor. As a lawyer, I would have advised him to take the fifth.
But let’s look at and think about what he is actually saying. His statement that "We had a lot of people assuming they knew what the law was." "They didn't, the prosecutors didn't, law enforcement didn't. It's been a mess in a way." To state he personally didn’t know the law but prosecuted others for violating the same law is the definition of a “due process violation.” His statement, objectively interpreted, means that he expected those he was prosecuting to have a greater grasp and knowledge of the MMMA than himself, the elected County Prosecutor. To publicly state that not knowing or understanding the law has been allowed to be the guiding force for prosecutions is an expression of failure and an admission of ignorance. It reflects a lack of integrity, honesty and the requisite duty of fairness in any prosecution. The duty of a prosecutor is not to win at any cost, or even try to win, if the law is unclear to them and the police. Prosecutors as judicial officers have a duty to the accused as well, and that is to ensure the protection of the accused’s constitutional rights. This is fundamental. This is the obligation of the prosecutor in any case that it chooses to prosecute. Often overlooked and seemingly forgotten in the modern justice system is the State’s moral and ethical obligation to ensure a fair trial for the accused. Failing to do this is the definition of an unequal and uneven playing field. But this is how it has been. If you don't believe me, examine the recent amendments to the MMMA.
What do the Amendments Say?
I have to say that most persons who read the amendments will see only the words, and not really understand in depth, in the minutia, what they really say. You have to look closely, and I would not rely upon the traditional statutory rules of interpretation, and the plain meaning of the words “rules” of interpretation. You have to abandon that principle of interpretation to see what I see.
These amendments by the Legislature have confirmed that the State has erred for the last 8 years. Expungements will be granted due to House Bill 4210. The Legislature’s recent amendments to the MMMA acknowledge for the first time the declarations section of the MMMA. The Legislature acknowledges the intention of the MMMA has always been to change state law to practically effect and protect from arrest the vast majority of seriously ill people who have a medical need to use marihuana. In doing so, the Legislature has provided relief for those persons who have been wrongly prosecuted and persecuted by the State for its failure to acknowledge the protections intended for patients and their caregivers.
The amendments to the MMMA unequivocally clarify and make legal the possession of non-plant material marihuana. The Carruthers holding is ultimately overruled and no longer applies to Michigan patients and caregivers.
The amendments specifically authorize the possession of non-plant material marihuana. The uncertainty associated with the possession of non-plant material marihuana is no longer, and patients, caregivers, and the parents of juvenile patients can rest with the peace of mind that they are no longer at risk.
The specific Amendments say:
Sec. 4. (a) A qualifying patient who has been issued and possesses a registry identification card shall IS not be subject to arrest, prosecution, or penalty in any manner, or denied any right or privilege, including but not limited to civil penalty or disciplinary action by a business or occupational or professional licensing board or bureau, for the medical use of marihuana in accordance with this act, provided that the qualifying patient possesses an amount of marihuana that does not exceed A COMBINED TOTAL OF 2.5 ounces of usable marihuana AND USABLE MARIHUANA EQUIVALENTS, and, if the qualifying patient has not specified that a primary caregiver will be allowed under state law to cultivate marihuana for the qualifying patient, 12 marihuana plants kept in an enclosed, locked facility. Any incidental amount of seeds, stalks, and unusable roots shall also be allowed under state law and shall not be included in this amount. The privilege from arrest under this subsection applies only if the qualifying patient presents both his or her registry identification card and a valid driver license or government-issued identification card that bears a photographic image of the qualifying patient.[/i]
(b) A primary caregiver who has been issued and possesses a registry identification card shall IS not be subject to arrest, prosecution, or penalty in any manner, or denied any right or privilege, including but not limited to civil penalty or disciplinary action by a business or occupational or professional licensing board or bureau, for assisting a qualifying patient to whom he or she is connected through the department's registration process with the medical use of marihuana in accordance with this act. The privilege from arrest under this subsection applies only if the primary caregiver presents both his or her registry identification card and a valid driver license or government-issued identification card that bears a photographic image of the primary caregiver. This subsection applies only if the primary caregiver possesses an amount of marihuana IN FORMS AND AMOUNTS that does DO not exceed ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:
(1) 2.5 ounces of usable marihuana for each qualifying patient to whom he or she is connected through the department's registration process, ; and A COMBINED TOTAL OF 2.5 OUNCES OF USABLE MARIHUANA AND USABLE MARIHUANA EQUIVALENTS.
(2) for each registered qualifying patient who has specified that the primary caregiver will be allowed under state law to cultivate marihuana for the qualifying patient, 12 marihuana plants kept in an enclosed, locked facility, ; and
(3) any ANY incidental amount of seeds, stalks, and unusable roots.
© FOR PURPOSES OF DETERMINING USABLE MARIHUANA EQUIVALENCY, THE FOLLOWING SHALL BE CONSIDERED EQUIVALENT TO 1 OUNCE OF USABLE MARIHUANA.
(1) 16 OUNCES OF MARIHUANA-INFUSED PRODUCT IF IN A SOLID FORM.
(2) 7 GRAMS OF MARIHUANA-INFUSED PRODUCT IF IN A GASEOUS FORM.
(3) 36 FLUID OUNCES OF MARIHUANA-INFUSED PRODUCT IF IN A LIQUID FORM.
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(M) A PERSON SHALL NOT BE SUBJECT TO ARREST, PROSECUTION, OR PENALTY IN ANY MANNER OR DENIED ANY RIGHT OR PRIVILEGE, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, CIVIL PENALTY OR DISCIPLINARY ACTION BY A BUSINESS OR OCCUPATIONAL OR PROFESSIONAL LICENSING BOARD OR BUREAU, FOR MANUFACTURING A MARIHUANA-INFUSED PRODUCT IF THE PERSON IS ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:
(1) A REGISTERED QUALIFYING PATIENT, MANUFACTURING FOR HIS OR HER OWN PERSONAL USE.
(2) A REGISTERED PRIMARY CAREGIVER, MANUFACTURING FOR THE USE OF A PATIENT TO WHOM HE OR SHE IS CONNECTED THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT'S REGISTRATION PROCESS.
(N) A QUALIFYING PATIENT SHALL NOT TRANSFER A MARIHUANA-INFUSED PRODUCT OR MARIHUANA TO ANY INDIVIDUAL.
(O) A PRIMARY CAREGIVER SHALL NOT TRANSFER A MARIHUANA-INFUSED PRODUCT TO ANY INDIVIDUAL WHO IS NOT A QUALIFYING PATIENT TO WHOM HE OR SHE IS CONNECTED THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT'S REGISTRATION PROCESS.
SEC. 4A. (1) THIS SECTION DOES NOT APPLY UNLESS THE MEDICAL MARIHUANA FACILITIES LICENSING ACT IS ENACTED.
(2) A REGISTERED QUALIFYING PATIENT OR REGISTERED PRIMARY CAREGIVER SHALL NOT BE SUBJECT TO ARREST, PROSECUTION, OR PENALTY IN ANY MANNER, OR DENIED ANY RIGHT OR PRIVILEGE, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, CIVIL PENALTY OR DISCIPLINARY ACTION BY A BUSINESS OR OCCUPATIONAL OR PROFESSIONAL LICENSING BOARD OR BUREAU, FOR ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:
(A) TRANSFERRING OR PURCHASING MARIHUANA IN AN AMOUNT AUTHORIZED BY THIS ACT FROM A PROVISIONING CENTER LICENSED UNDER THE MEDICAL MARIHUANA FACILITIES LICENSING ACT.
(B) TRANSFERRING OR SELLING MARIHUANA SEEDS OR SEEDLINGS TO A GROWER LICENSED UNDER THE MEDICAL MARIHUANA FACILITIES LICENSING ACT.
© TRANSFERRING MARIHUANA FOR TESTING TO AND FROM A SAFETY COMPLIANCE FACILITY LICENSED UNDER THE MEDICAL MARIHUANA FACILITIES LICENSING ACT.
SEC. 4B. (1) EXCEPT AS PROVIDED IN SUBSECTIONS (2) TO (4), A QUALIFYING PATIENT OR PRIMARY CAREGIVER SHALL NOT TRANSPORT OR POSSESS A MARIHUANA-INFUSED PRODUCT IN OR UPON A MOTOR VEHICLE.
(2) THIS SECTION DOES NOT PROHIBIT A QUALIFYING PATIENT FROM TRANSPORTING OR POSSESSING A MARIHUANA-INFUSED PRODUCT IN OR UPON A MOTOR VEHICLE IF THE MARIHUANA-INFUSED PRODUCT IS IN A SEALED AND LABELED PACKAGE THAT IS CARRIED IN THE TRUNK OF THE VEHICLE OR, IF THE VEHICLE DOES NOT HAVE A TRUNK, IS CARRIED SO AS NOT TO BE READILY ACCESSIBLE FROM THE INTERIOR OF THE VEHICLE. THE LABEL MUST STATE THE WEIGHT OF THE MARIHUANA-INFUSED PRODUCT IN OUNCES, NAME OF THE MANUFACTURER, DATE OF MANUFACTURE, NAME OF THE PERSON FROM WHOM THE MARIHUANA-INFUSED PRODUCT WAS RECEIVED, AND DATE OF RECEIPT.
(3) THIS SECTION DOES NOT PROHIBIT A PRIMARY CAREGIVER FROM TRANSPORTING OR POSSESSING A MARIHUANA-INFUSED PRODUCT IN OR UPON A MOTOR VEHICLE IF THE MARIHUANA-INFUSED PRODUCT IS ACCOMPANIED BY AN ACCURATE MARIHUANA TRANSPORTATION MANIFEST AND ENCLOSED IN A CASE CARRIED IN THE TRUNK OF THE VEHICLE OR, IF THE VEHICLE DOES NOT HAVE A TRUNK, IS ENCLOSED IN A CASE AND CARRIED SO AS NOT TO BE READILY ACCESSIBLE FROM THE INTERIOR OF THE VEHICLE. THE MANIFEST FORM MUST STATE THE WEIGHT OF EACH MARIHUANA-INFUSED PRODUCT IN OUNCES, NAME AND ADDRESS OF THE MANUFACTURER, DATE OF MANUFACTURE, DESTINATION NAME AND ADDRESS, DATE AND TIME OF DEPARTURE, ESTIMATED DATE AND TIME OF ARRIVAL, AND, IF APPLICABLE, NAME AND ADDRESS OF THE PERSON FROM WHOM THE PRODUCT WAS RECEIVED AND DATE OF RECEIPT.
(4) THIS SECTION DOES NOT PROHIBIT A PRIMARY CAREGIVER FROM TRANSPORTING OR POSSESSING A MARIHUANA-INFUSED PRODUCT IN OR UPON A MOTOR VEHICLE FOR THE USE OF HIS OR HER CHILD, SPOUSE, OR PARENT WHO IS A QUALIFYING PATIENT IF THE MARIHUANA-INFUSED PRODUCT IS IN A SEALED AND LABELED PACKAGE THAT IS CARRIED IN THE TRUNK OF THE VEHICLE OR, IF THE VEHICLE DOES NOT HAVE A TRUNK, IS CARRIED SO AS NOT TO BE READILY ACCESSIBLE FROM THE INTERIOR OF THE VEHICLE. THE LABEL MUST STATE THE WEIGHT OF THE MARIHUANA-INFUSED PRODUCT IN OUNCES, NAME OF THE MANUFACTURER, DATE OF MANUFACTURE, NAME OF THE QUALIFYING PATIENT, AND, IF APPLICABLE, NAME OF THE PERSON FROM WHOM THE MARIHUANA-INFUSED PRODUCT WAS RECEIVED AND DATE OF RECEIPT.
(5) FOR PURPOSES OF DETERMINING COMPLIANCE WITH QUANTITY LIMITATIONS UNDER SECTION 4, THERE IS A REBUTTABLE PRESUMPTION THAT THE WEIGHT OF A MARIHUANA-INFUSED PRODUCT LISTED ON ITS PACKAGE LABEL OR ON A MARIHUANA TRANSPORTATION MANIFEST IS ACCURATE.
(6) A QUALIFYING PATIENT OR PRIMARY CAREGIVER WHO VIOLATES THIS SECTION IS RESPONSIBLE FOR A CIVIL FINE OF NOT MORE THAN $250.00.
WHO DOES IT APPLY TO?
The new amendments to the MMMA pursuant to House Bill 4210 apply retroactively and are intended to be curative.
The new amendments create an opportunity to bring relief to those persons who have been wrongly accused of possessing non-plant material marihuana.
The new amendments create an opportunity to revisit and correct the situation where the probable cause of a crime in any investigation of patients and caregivers was illegally continued or escalated because the subject matter of the investigation was the non-plant material marihuana. It is important to understand the large number of scenarios where an investigation was continued or escalated because the material or substance associated with the investigation was "contraband" or non-plant material marihuana. If this happened to you, you were right to believe that it was wrong. If this happened to you, the police, the prosecutor and the state were wrong. If this happened to you, you very likely have a remedy to right this wrong.
These situations may entitle you to relief:
· As a patient or caregiver, charges were brought against you for possession of any form of marijuana edible or marijuana concentrate.
· As a patient or caregiver, charges were escalated when the investigating agents discovered “contraband” or non-plant material marihuana.
· As a patient or caregiver, you have been the victim of a civil forfeiture that was based on the investigating agents discovering “contraband” or non-plant material marihuana.
The new amendments are more than clear in what mistakes it intends to fix and to which individuals may benefit from this correction. The state admits and acknowledges that the MMMA contained ambiguities that needed clarifying, because the current state of the interpretation of the law had failed to express the original intent of the MMMA. "Changing state law will have the practical effect of protecting from arrest the vast majority of seriously ill people who have a medical need to use marihuana.” The amendatory language of the MMMA provides an opportunity to set aside a prior conviction or revisit a prior case that is over, and reopen the case to litigate the states admitted errors. Legislatively enacted laws or amendments usually never apply retroactively unless the amended language contains an explicit reference to a retroactive application, as the amendments contained in House Bill 4210 do. This is a very unique opportunity that does not happen often, and persons who have been affected by the State’s admitted errors now have a potential path to right the wrong.
HOW DO I SEEK RELIEF?
As a general rule, the ability to set aside a conviction has limitations, and Courts are in the business of closing cases, not opening them. Expungement, albeit expanded by law in 2015, and Motions to Set Aside Convictions MCR 6.500, based upon constitutional or statutory ground are generally denied, however the amendments to the MMMA via House Bill 4210 create an entirely new statutory method to seek relief from conviction, and penalty.
If you or a loved one meets the criteria described above, and if you believe you have been a victim of the States admitted errors, or your case or conviction resulted from the irrational interpretation that non-plant material marihuana is not usable marihuana, Call Komorn Law, 1-800-656-3557. We are currently offering Legal Services evaluating your case, and advising clients of potential remedies and or legal strategies to clearing your record from marihuana related conviction.
Even if you have not had this happen to you, listen and enjoy while I present evidence that what I am saying is true. Today I got a call from fellow brother counsel, Bernie Jocuns, who had a medible candy case, which he had litigated to the point of being granted a Daubert hearing to challenge the scientific method of reporting the non-plant material candies. After the amendments, we discussed the impact of the amendments to his case, and a letter was drafted sent to the Prosecutor highlighting the significance of the curative and retroactive language, and sure enough Bernie Jocuns and his client immediately received a nolle pros. And for those of you that don’t speak Latin, that means a dismissal. And for anyone who wants to fight back, I have a file drawer of paper to start undoing the State’s error and making things right for the medical marihuana community.
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Mr_GreenGenes
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Damn....hate to say it, but glad I moved back home. The writing was on the wall last year at this time. When several disp's I worked with were shut down the talk surrounding this new wave of "laws" was looking to be unstoppable, coupled with my health issues, I bit the bullet and moved. I was sad to see the news of the passing of the new legislation as its just another step in the wrong direction for us, the patient. I hope that some of the shitbird scum, aka lawmakers, are booted this election cycle and the peeps of MI can be on their way to rebuilding what was once a great MMJ program. I'm pulling for y'all down here in the hot, dirty South!
Cannis
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Just noticed that Oscar only posted the trailer. Here is the whole show.
Cannis
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New link
stonestacker
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That shit is just fucking scary.
How do they get warrants for this?
why can't the cops judges and even the attorney general be held accountable?
oscar169
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TV anchor with MS leaving Fox 2 to join medical marijuana fight
Anqunette Jamison Sarfoh says marijuana has eased her multiple sclerosis symptoms.
Facebook video post Tuesday morning, Sarfoh, best known as "Q" to Fox 2 watchers, said that she would leave the business and join a leadership role with MILegalize, in an effort to help legalize marijuana in Michigan.
Most recently, Sarfoh was on a leave of absence because of medical issues related to her multiple sclerosis.
"I loved my job but multiple sclerosis was making it harder and harder to do it," she said in the video. "I spent my first year of having MS sicker than I have ever been in my entire life. And then I became a medical marijuana patient."
Now, she says, she no longer takes the many medicines she once relied on, including Adderall, anti-nausea drugs, muscle relaxants and sleeping pills.
Michigan recently passed legislation to better regulate and make available medical marijuana to patients who need it, including, for the first time, edible forms of marijuana. But full legalization of cannabis in Michigan is nowhere in sight. There were three efforts to put a cannabis legalization question on the Nov. 8 ballot, but none of the backers were able to meet all signature and other legal requirements.
Sarfoh will be officially introduced as a member of the "MI Legalize 2018" movement during a fund-raiser on Wednesday evening at Weber's Inn Ann Arbor.
http://www.freep.com/story/entertai...anqunette-jamison-medical-marijuana/93104678/
Anqunette Jamison Sarfoh says marijuana has eased her multiple sclerosis symptoms.
Facebook video post Tuesday morning, Sarfoh, best known as "Q" to Fox 2 watchers, said that she would leave the business and join a leadership role with MILegalize, in an effort to help legalize marijuana in Michigan.
Most recently, Sarfoh was on a leave of absence because of medical issues related to her multiple sclerosis.
"I loved my job but multiple sclerosis was making it harder and harder to do it," she said in the video. "I spent my first year of having MS sicker than I have ever been in my entire life. And then I became a medical marijuana patient."
Now, she says, she no longer takes the many medicines she once relied on, including Adderall, anti-nausea drugs, muscle relaxants and sleeping pills.
Michigan recently passed legislation to better regulate and make available medical marijuana to patients who need it, including, for the first time, edible forms of marijuana. But full legalization of cannabis in Michigan is nowhere in sight. There were three efforts to put a cannabis legalization question on the Nov. 8 ballot, but none of the backers were able to meet all signature and other legal requirements.
Sarfoh will be officially introduced as a member of the "MI Legalize 2018" movement during a fund-raiser on Wednesday evening at Weber's Inn Ann Arbor.
http://www.freep.com/story/entertai...anqunette-jamison-medical-marijuana/93104678/
oscar169
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Judge hears arguments in class action marijuana lawsuit
DETROIT, Mich. — A judge on Wednesday heard arguments in a federal class action lawsuit filed by medical marijuana patients and caregivers against several Michigan law enforcement and crime lab officials.
The suit, filed in June, claims that because of false lab reports, prosecutors are charging people with felonies without proof, illegally arresting them and seizing assets. Four patients and caregivers are suing the directors of the Michigan State Police, their crime labs and the publicly-operated Oakland County lab and that county’s sheriff.
Chief Judge Denise Page Hood of the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan in Detroit said she will issue an opinion and decide whether the labs’ marijuana reporting policies violate the Fourth Amendment and due process rights of the medical marijuana patients and caregivers.
Read the plaintiffs’ lawsuit here.
Read the state defendants’ motion to dismiss here.
One of the four plaintiffs, Max Lorincz from Spring Lake, testified to having hash oil, but was charged with a felony for having synthetic THC. He lost custody of his 6-year-old son to foster care for 18 months until his case was dismissed; a case and statewide scandal FOX 17 broke last year.
“The problem is, the way that the Oakland County lab and the Michigan State Forensic Science Division is reporting still would allow for arrests, still would allow for these patients and caregivers to not have immunity because they’re reporting it as something other than marijuana,” said Michael Komorn, the plaintiffs’ attorney. “And the law enforcement community, as far as we know, is still arresting people for possessing these substances.”
In court Wednesday, Defense Attorney Rock Wood with the Michigan Attorney General’s office representing the state police and crime labs’ directors, along with Defense Attorney Nicole Tabin representing the Oakland County lab’s director and sheriff, declined requests for comment. Wood argued this is not a case involving altered, hidden or destroyed evidence. Instead, the defense writes in their motion to dismiss the case:
“The MSP policy is consistent with the current national standard for testing of seized drugs and avoids speculation as to the source of chemical components unless there is zero qualitative uncertainty.”
Ultimately, the labs’ policy states that unless there is marijuana plant matter seen along with THC, scientists label it “Schedule 1 THC, origin unknown,” instead of marijuana. This is the difference between a felony, or a marijuana possession misdemeanor which patients and caregivers can be immune for under the Michigan Medical Marijuana Act.
The plaintiffs’ attorneys and their experts say that 100 percent certainty for any evidence, even DNA is not possible.
“You know that nobody’s going to go through the trouble of synthesizing THC, along with other cannabinoids,” said Timothy Daniels, another attorney representing the plaintiffs. “And therefore you know to almost a 100 percent, and I won’t say 100 percent, let’s say 99 percent certainty, that is marijuana, not synthetic.”
Overall, the Michigan Medical Marijuana Act protects licensed patients and caregivers from charges and prosecution for having limited amounts of usable marijuana, not THC with an unknown origin. It’s this lab policy the suit is working to stop.
“It’s a little troubling that the defense is still suggesting their reporting practices are honorable,” said Komorn.
Statewide, as crime labs continue to report THC and marijuana in ways that many call controversial, the decision now rests in the judge’s hands. It’s a decision that could potentially reopen hundreds of cases across Michigan.
Meanwhile, recently passed legislation now legalizes medical marijuana patients and caregivers use of marijuana extracts like oils and edibles. The defense argued the lawsuit is moot in part due to this, however the plaintiffs’ attorneys stand firm that people continue to be unlawfully arrested, charged, and prosecuted for possession of extracts due to the labs’ reporting policy.
http://fox17online.com/2016/11/02/judge-hears-arguments-in-class-action-marijuana-lawsuit/
DETROIT, Mich. — A judge on Wednesday heard arguments in a federal class action lawsuit filed by medical marijuana patients and caregivers against several Michigan law enforcement and crime lab officials.
The suit, filed in June, claims that because of false lab reports, prosecutors are charging people with felonies without proof, illegally arresting them and seizing assets. Four patients and caregivers are suing the directors of the Michigan State Police, their crime labs and the publicly-operated Oakland County lab and that county’s sheriff.
Chief Judge Denise Page Hood of the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan in Detroit said she will issue an opinion and decide whether the labs’ marijuana reporting policies violate the Fourth Amendment and due process rights of the medical marijuana patients and caregivers.
Read the plaintiffs’ lawsuit here.
Read the state defendants’ motion to dismiss here.
One of the four plaintiffs, Max Lorincz from Spring Lake, testified to having hash oil, but was charged with a felony for having synthetic THC. He lost custody of his 6-year-old son to foster care for 18 months until his case was dismissed; a case and statewide scandal FOX 17 broke last year.
“The problem is, the way that the Oakland County lab and the Michigan State Forensic Science Division is reporting still would allow for arrests, still would allow for these patients and caregivers to not have immunity because they’re reporting it as something other than marijuana,” said Michael Komorn, the plaintiffs’ attorney. “And the law enforcement community, as far as we know, is still arresting people for possessing these substances.”
In court Wednesday, Defense Attorney Rock Wood with the Michigan Attorney General’s office representing the state police and crime labs’ directors, along with Defense Attorney Nicole Tabin representing the Oakland County lab’s director and sheriff, declined requests for comment. Wood argued this is not a case involving altered, hidden or destroyed evidence. Instead, the defense writes in their motion to dismiss the case:
“The MSP policy is consistent with the current national standard for testing of seized drugs and avoids speculation as to the source of chemical components unless there is zero qualitative uncertainty.”
Ultimately, the labs’ policy states that unless there is marijuana plant matter seen along with THC, scientists label it “Schedule 1 THC, origin unknown,” instead of marijuana. This is the difference between a felony, or a marijuana possession misdemeanor which patients and caregivers can be immune for under the Michigan Medical Marijuana Act.
The plaintiffs’ attorneys and their experts say that 100 percent certainty for any evidence, even DNA is not possible.
“You know that nobody’s going to go through the trouble of synthesizing THC, along with other cannabinoids,” said Timothy Daniels, another attorney representing the plaintiffs. “And therefore you know to almost a 100 percent, and I won’t say 100 percent, let’s say 99 percent certainty, that is marijuana, not synthetic.”
Overall, the Michigan Medical Marijuana Act protects licensed patients and caregivers from charges and prosecution for having limited amounts of usable marijuana, not THC with an unknown origin. It’s this lab policy the suit is working to stop.
“It’s a little troubling that the defense is still suggesting their reporting practices are honorable,” said Komorn.
Statewide, as crime labs continue to report THC and marijuana in ways that many call controversial, the decision now rests in the judge’s hands. It’s a decision that could potentially reopen hundreds of cases across Michigan.
Meanwhile, recently passed legislation now legalizes medical marijuana patients and caregivers use of marijuana extracts like oils and edibles. The defense argued the lawsuit is moot in part due to this, however the plaintiffs’ attorneys stand firm that people continue to be unlawfully arrested, charged, and prosecuted for possession of extracts due to the labs’ reporting policy.
http://fox17online.com/2016/11/02/judge-hears-arguments-in-class-action-marijuana-lawsuit/
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You can bet Komorn will be talking about the case tomorrow 11/3 on his radio blog at 8pm or soon after, they are usually late.
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ohthatguy8
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Man I listen to podcasts but I find this show dam near impossible to listen too. It's litterally all breaks and songs. The format has shut me off.
Cannis
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You don't have to listen live. You can listen to any of them at any time and you can skip through the breaks.
oscar169
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Will Be posting some of the new Law Changes in here but most everything will be in the new ABC Super Thread..Thanks
https://www.thcfarmer.com/community/threads/class-a-b-c-super-thread.85156/#post-1801345
https://www.thcfarmer.com/community/threads/class-a-b-c-super-thread.85156/#post-1801345
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