sixstring
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under those new laws the black market will be awesome :cool:
The War on Medical Marijuana in MI Super Thread, NEWS,BUST,LAWS <<<<Updated Often>>>>
Motarebel
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WTF? Should've seen this coming! We're always gonna have a money grab in this industry, fucking bitches.
Bill Murry
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Please don't blame all centers or think everyone operates in this manor, Also that piece was written by a dispensary owner who himself has been the center of the same types of rumor around Flint for years. There's lots of shit operators who send wrk across borders everyday or move med's to non card holders, shit makes it twice as hard for those who aren't.
Prime C
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And the fuckery continues!
http://thecompassionchronicles.com/...tle-decisions-handed-down-from-supreme-court/
Hartwick/Tuttle Decisions Handed Down From Supreme Court
27 Jul, 2015
Two medical marijuana cases involving poor rulings by Appellate Courts; in both, parts were remanded and parts were upheld
photo caption: Lansing’s Capitol Dome, at dusk. Photo by Rick Thompson
by Rick Thompson/July 27, 2015
LANSING– The Michigan Supreme Court dropped two decisions today that impact the medical marijuana community.
Both Richard Lee HARTWICK and Robert TUTTLE were medical marijuana patients registered with the state of Michigan. Tuttle stood accused of selling marijuana to a patient with whom he was not connected through the state process. Hartwick was registered as a patient and was properly connected to five other individuals through the Michigan state database. He was in possession of 3.9 ounces of marijuana; he was certified to have 12.5 ounces on his person.
Although those details seem very easy to understand, the Courts became embroiled in a battle over what role doctors play in the process, how much information a registered caregiver is required to know about his/her patient, what is the standard of compliance for medical marijuana patients and the relationship with their doctor, what proofs are required for such in a court of law, and so on.
The Opinions, written by Justice Brian Zahara, were unanimously agreed to by the Court. Their findings (numbers added for ease of reading):
1. The availability of immunity under § 4 of the MMMA is a question of law to be decided before trial, and a defendant has the burden of proving by a preponderance of the evidence his or her entitlement to immunity. Immunity must be claimed for each charged offense, and the burden of proving immunity is separate and distinct for each offense.
2. Conduct that is noncompliant with the MMMA with respect to one charged offense does not automatically rebut the presumption of medical use with respect to conduct relating to any other charged offenses. Rather, noncompliant conduct involved in one charged offense can negate otherwise compliant conduct involved in a separate charged offense if there is a nexus between the noncompliant and the otherwise compliant conduct.
3. Raising an affirmative defense under § 8 of the MMMA requires a caregiver to present prima facie evidence of each element of the defense for him- or herself and for each registered qualifying patient to which the caregiver is connected. Having established a prima facie case, the defendant has the burden of proving each element by a preponderance of the evidence.
4. A valid registry identification card does not create any presumption for purposes of § 8.
In detail, the Court stated the Appeals Court erred in denying Hartwick a fair trial on the question of his immunity because they did not weigh all the facts; they are ordered to give him a new hearing. The Appellate Judges did not err in denying Hartwick an Affirmative Defense trial, because Hartwick did not present all the necessary components of evidence to warrant one. The Supreme Court ruled that, in order to earn a Section 8 trial, one must prove all medical questions regarding the patients involved.
The Opinion reads:
Hartwick failed to provide evidence of a bona fide physician-patient relationship for himself, as a patient, and his connected patients, he failed to provide evidence that a physician conducted a full assessment of his and his patients’ medical histories and current medical conditions, and he failed to show that a physician determined that he and his patients had debilitating medical conditions that would likely benefit from the medical use of marijuana. Hartwick further failed to present prima facie evidence that the amount of marijuana he possessed was not more than was reasonably necessary to ensure its uninterrupted availability for the treatment of his and his patients’ debilitating medical conditions. Finally, Hartwick failed to present prima facie evidence that he and his patients were engaged in the use of marijuana for a medical purpose.
In Tuttle, the Justices ruled that the Court of Appeals was wrong because “MMMA-compliant conduct is not automatically tainted by the defendant’s improper conduct related to a different charged offense unless there is a nexus between the improper conduct and the otherwise proper conduct.”
More specifically:
The Court of Appeals properly held that Tuttle could not claim the affirmative defense under § 8 because he failed to establish prima facie evidence of at least one of the elements of the defense for each of his possibly connected patients. Specifically, Tuttle failed to provide evidence of the actual amount of marijuana needed to treat his patients; the evidence showed only the actual amount of marijuana each patient obtained from Tuttle. In addition, Tuttle failed to show that one patient had undergone a full medical assessment in the course of a bona fide physician-patient relationship.
This pair of rulings from the state’s highest Court seems to place an extraordinary burden on defense teams and gives incredible advantage to impeach the legitimacy of illness claimed by Michigan’s medical marijuana patient population. A new standard of physician responsibility is established, as is a new standard of record-keeping for caregivers and their patient’s medical status. Caregiver may be found to be acting out of compliance because of an error their patient made, an error the caregiver had no knowledge of.
To be sure, these rulings will spark debate and controversy among Michigan’s medical marijuana population for some time. The Compassion Chronicles will detail legitimate legal interpretations and offer guidance for those trying to remain compliant with the ever-changing definition of what it takes to remain a legally-compliant medical marijuana patient in the Great Lakes State.
http://thecompassionchronicles.com/...tle-decisions-handed-down-from-supreme-court/
Hartwick/Tuttle Decisions Handed Down From Supreme Court
27 Jul, 2015
Two medical marijuana cases involving poor rulings by Appellate Courts; in both, parts were remanded and parts were upheld
photo caption: Lansing’s Capitol Dome, at dusk. Photo by Rick Thompson
by Rick Thompson/July 27, 2015
LANSING– The Michigan Supreme Court dropped two decisions today that impact the medical marijuana community.
Both Richard Lee HARTWICK and Robert TUTTLE were medical marijuana patients registered with the state of Michigan. Tuttle stood accused of selling marijuana to a patient with whom he was not connected through the state process. Hartwick was registered as a patient and was properly connected to five other individuals through the Michigan state database. He was in possession of 3.9 ounces of marijuana; he was certified to have 12.5 ounces on his person.
Although those details seem very easy to understand, the Courts became embroiled in a battle over what role doctors play in the process, how much information a registered caregiver is required to know about his/her patient, what is the standard of compliance for medical marijuana patients and the relationship with their doctor, what proofs are required for such in a court of law, and so on.
The Opinions, written by Justice Brian Zahara, were unanimously agreed to by the Court. Their findings (numbers added for ease of reading):
1. The availability of immunity under § 4 of the MMMA is a question of law to be decided before trial, and a defendant has the burden of proving by a preponderance of the evidence his or her entitlement to immunity. Immunity must be claimed for each charged offense, and the burden of proving immunity is separate and distinct for each offense.
2. Conduct that is noncompliant with the MMMA with respect to one charged offense does not automatically rebut the presumption of medical use with respect to conduct relating to any other charged offenses. Rather, noncompliant conduct involved in one charged offense can negate otherwise compliant conduct involved in a separate charged offense if there is a nexus between the noncompliant and the otherwise compliant conduct.
3. Raising an affirmative defense under § 8 of the MMMA requires a caregiver to present prima facie evidence of each element of the defense for him- or herself and for each registered qualifying patient to which the caregiver is connected. Having established a prima facie case, the defendant has the burden of proving each element by a preponderance of the evidence.
4. A valid registry identification card does not create any presumption for purposes of § 8.
In detail, the Court stated the Appeals Court erred in denying Hartwick a fair trial on the question of his immunity because they did not weigh all the facts; they are ordered to give him a new hearing. The Appellate Judges did not err in denying Hartwick an Affirmative Defense trial, because Hartwick did not present all the necessary components of evidence to warrant one. The Supreme Court ruled that, in order to earn a Section 8 trial, one must prove all medical questions regarding the patients involved.
The Opinion reads:
Hartwick failed to provide evidence of a bona fide physician-patient relationship for himself, as a patient, and his connected patients, he failed to provide evidence that a physician conducted a full assessment of his and his patients’ medical histories and current medical conditions, and he failed to show that a physician determined that he and his patients had debilitating medical conditions that would likely benefit from the medical use of marijuana. Hartwick further failed to present prima facie evidence that the amount of marijuana he possessed was not more than was reasonably necessary to ensure its uninterrupted availability for the treatment of his and his patients’ debilitating medical conditions. Finally, Hartwick failed to present prima facie evidence that he and his patients were engaged in the use of marijuana for a medical purpose.
In Tuttle, the Justices ruled that the Court of Appeals was wrong because “MMMA-compliant conduct is not automatically tainted by the defendant’s improper conduct related to a different charged offense unless there is a nexus between the improper conduct and the otherwise proper conduct.”
More specifically:
The Court of Appeals properly held that Tuttle could not claim the affirmative defense under § 8 because he failed to establish prima facie evidence of at least one of the elements of the defense for each of his possibly connected patients. Specifically, Tuttle failed to provide evidence of the actual amount of marijuana needed to treat his patients; the evidence showed only the actual amount of marijuana each patient obtained from Tuttle. In addition, Tuttle failed to show that one patient had undergone a full medical assessment in the course of a bona fide physician-patient relationship.
This pair of rulings from the state’s highest Court seems to place an extraordinary burden on defense teams and gives incredible advantage to impeach the legitimacy of illness claimed by Michigan’s medical marijuana patient population. A new standard of physician responsibility is established, as is a new standard of record-keeping for caregivers and their patient’s medical status. Caregiver may be found to be acting out of compliance because of an error their patient made, an error the caregiver had no knowledge of.
To be sure, these rulings will spark debate and controversy among Michigan’s medical marijuana population for some time. The Compassion Chronicles will detail legitimate legal interpretations and offer guidance for those trying to remain compliant with the ever-changing definition of what it takes to remain a legally-compliant medical marijuana patient in the Great Lakes State.
yooper420
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2016, we gotta legalize this plant and stop the bull shit once and for all.
oscar169
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Big Vote On Autism And Medical Marijuana Tomorrow In Michigan
Multi-talented Michigan attorney Michael Komorn is calling on families of children with autism to attend a crucial vote of the Medical Marihuana Review Panel on July 31st.
The Panel is considering whether to recommend approval of a petition to add autism to the list of medical conditions that can qualify a patient for the use of medical marijuana in Michigan.
Under Michigan’s rigorous standards, a child must obtain two certifications from physicians that the patient may receive palliative care from the application of marijuana medicines.
Komorn is putting his money where his mouth is. For families that have autism and attend the hearing, Komorn is offering to pay the cost of gas and provide a meal.
Komorn first made this offer on The Planet Green Trees Radio Show, of which he is the Host. He is also the leader of the Michigan Medical Marijuana Association, the MMMA, and it is in the pages of their website that this latest notice appears.
A previous hearing on the subject ended in adjournment due to a poorly-packed petition, which seemed grossly edited by the Michigan Attorney General‘s office.
From the website:
Next Friday, July 31 is a very important day for the Michigan Medical Marijuana community. The MMMA, along with physicians, lawyers, and families have worked tirelessly for more than a year to add autism as a qualifying condition under the Act, and next Friday is the vote to add or deny autism into the law.
Please attend this vote, particularly if you treat your child with marijuana, to show solidarity with the parents of autistic children and family members that have led this drive. Komorn Law has pledged to compensate food and gas for all families with children that attend.
Just attending the panel meeting can make a huge difference, there are many people with a debilitating condition who cannot make it. If you know someone in Lansing, ask them to attend. Friday is the ideal day to show respectful support that will have a real, meaningful impact on the panel’s vote, and on the futures of these parents and children in need.
I am sure all of you can understand how important this vote is for the families who have children afflicted with autism. I personally would like to believe that with all the hoopla and attention towards legalization lately the patients and families of patients are not lost or overlooked. Medical cannabis is the real deal. For the last 6 years we have all shared together in the miracles of this plant. We have danced on this forum together making history in Michigan as we implement the 2008 voter initiative. The battle continues and the fight is scheduled for July 31. Your appearance will be a strong showing of unity of our medical cannabis community. It will help provide evidence that medical cannabis is real, and safe access for those afflicted with autistism must be the next step for the MMM
http://www.theweedblog.com/big-vote-on-autism-and-medical-marijuana-tomorrow-in-michigan/
Multi-talented Michigan attorney Michael Komorn is calling on families of children with autism to attend a crucial vote of the Medical Marihuana Review Panel on July 31st.
The Panel is considering whether to recommend approval of a petition to add autism to the list of medical conditions that can qualify a patient for the use of medical marijuana in Michigan.
Under Michigan’s rigorous standards, a child must obtain two certifications from physicians that the patient may receive palliative care from the application of marijuana medicines.
Komorn is putting his money where his mouth is. For families that have autism and attend the hearing, Komorn is offering to pay the cost of gas and provide a meal.
Komorn first made this offer on The Planet Green Trees Radio Show, of which he is the Host. He is also the leader of the Michigan Medical Marijuana Association, the MMMA, and it is in the pages of their website that this latest notice appears.
A previous hearing on the subject ended in adjournment due to a poorly-packed petition, which seemed grossly edited by the Michigan Attorney General‘s office.
From the website:
Next Friday, July 31 is a very important day for the Michigan Medical Marijuana community. The MMMA, along with physicians, lawyers, and families have worked tirelessly for more than a year to add autism as a qualifying condition under the Act, and next Friday is the vote to add or deny autism into the law.
Please attend this vote, particularly if you treat your child with marijuana, to show solidarity with the parents of autistic children and family members that have led this drive. Komorn Law has pledged to compensate food and gas for all families with children that attend.
Just attending the panel meeting can make a huge difference, there are many people with a debilitating condition who cannot make it. If you know someone in Lansing, ask them to attend. Friday is the ideal day to show respectful support that will have a real, meaningful impact on the panel’s vote, and on the futures of these parents and children in need.
I am sure all of you can understand how important this vote is for the families who have children afflicted with autism. I personally would like to believe that with all the hoopla and attention towards legalization lately the patients and families of patients are not lost or overlooked. Medical cannabis is the real deal. For the last 6 years we have all shared together in the miracles of this plant. We have danced on this forum together making history in Michigan as we implement the 2008 voter initiative. The battle continues and the fight is scheduled for July 31. Your appearance will be a strong showing of unity of our medical cannabis community. It will help provide evidence that medical cannabis is real, and safe access for those afflicted with autistism must be the next step for the MMM
http://www.theweedblog.com/big-vote-on-autism-and-medical-marijuana-tomorrow-in-michigan/
oscar169
Farming 🌱
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Drive-through marijuana shops worry officials in Detroit
DETROIT — With some medical-marijuana stores in Detroit now offering drive-through purchasing, the city's marketplace for medical pot has spiraled out of control and needs to be regulated, Mayor Mike Duggan said.
Dozens of dispensaries line 8 Mile and other major thoroughfares in the city, and a Free Press investigation found that at least three offer drive-through service.
With medical marijuana being dispensed in Detroit as casually as burgers and fries, the mayor senses urgency as the City Council prepares to debate next week how to regulate the proliferating industry. Duggan said he supports restrictive zoning that would govern where the dispensaries can be located in relation to schools, churches, adult entertainment establishments and neighborhoods.
Proponents of medical-pot sales said that regulations could bring tax revenue to the city and eliminate unscrupulous dispensaries that might sell to anyone who walks in. But they warned that wrong-headed regulations, including those that single out drive-through service as any different than drive-through lanes at ordinary drugstores, could chill a new industry that promises to bring jobs and tax dollars as part of Detroit's economic rebound.
USA TODAY
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"We need to get an ordinance passed, because right now we have no ability to enforce anything," Duggan told reporters Friday. "I think we need to eliminate the drive-through aspect, which has now been added to some of these facilities."
The Free Press found three drive-through dispensaries, each in a former restaurant or bank that had drive-through lanes. The managers or owners of two of the dispensaries defended their drive-through windows, saying they are useful for people with disabilities that affect their mobility or other medical conditions.
The owner of the recently opened 420 Dank, located in a former restaurant near the Detroit Police Department's Eastern District Offices, said she understands concerns about the mushrooming number of dispensaries in Detroit, but she said it's unfair to single out those with drive-through windows.
"there are patients who aren't mobile, who can't walk in and out of the store," said the owner, Kim G., who asked that her last name not be used to protect her children's identity.
The drive-through window of 420 Dank (Photo: Salwan Georges, Detroit Free Press)
For customers like Lisa Price, the dispensary provides convenience and safety. Price, 55, of Detroit, suffers from chronic back pain that she said has lead to two surgeries. She said she counts on 420 Dank for relief.
"As long as it's legal and you have a medical card, it shouldn't be a problem," she said. "It's better than trying to buy off the street."
Price said she supports getting rid of dispensaries that sell to those without medical marijuana cards, but it shouldn't come at the expense of people with legitimate medical needs.
Kisha Smith, a manager of Green River Meds, located in a former bank on the city's west side, also said the drive-through at that facility serves a medical need. She cited several customers with skin conditions who use topical, cannabis-infused oils and lotions and often don't want to be seen inside the store.
The dispute over drive-through dispensaries underscores the sensitivities of the debate over how to regulate medical marijuana shops in a city with dozens of them, two of which have attracted police attention because of shootings. Residents and city officials have complained that their neighborhoods are inundated with unregulated dispensaries.
USA TODAY
Pot legalization debate blurs political lines in Ohio
Councilman James Tate, who could introduce as early as Tuesday an ordinance he's been crafting for months with city lawyers and the police department, also said he believes drive-though dispensary windows shouldn't be allowed.
"Right now, I'm not in favor of it," he said, although the city's ordinance, if approved, could be amended later if dispensaries provide a compelling case.
Tate said said he wants an ordinance that allows for safe access to medical marijuana through legitimate, licensed facilities not located in clusters or near schools, churches, recreation centers or adult-entertainment facilities.
Councilman Scott Benson, who lives near the neon green and white painted 420 Dank, said he's concerned that the sheer number of dispensaries "calls into question their commitment to providing medical marijuana versus selling smoke-able marijuana for recreational use." He said he supports banning drive-through windows at dispensaries.
USA TODAY
Ohio to vote on legalizing marijuana
Despite the criticism of drive-through windows, Smith said she's been encouraged by what she's heard about the direction the ordinance is taking, and she doesn't consider it a crackdown on legitimate dispensaries.
"We try to do everything the right way,” she said. “We want to work inside of all the laws and make sure everything's up to par.”
Michigan is one of only three states that allow medical marijuana but which don’t specifically allow dispensaries, said Karen O’Keefe, a spokeswoman for the nonprofit Marijuana Policy Project in Washington, D.C.
Because dispensaries in Michigan operate amid conflicting opinions about whether they are legal, they are not licensed, and so no one knows how many are open in Detroit, said Robin Schneider, legislative liaison for the National Patients Rights Association, a Michigan-based trade group of dispensary owners.
“If I had to guess, I’d say there’s between 80 and 100,” Schneider said.
Dispensaries safeguard society as well as medical-pot users, she said, because instead of relying on street-corner dealers or trying haphazardly to grow their own cannabis, medical-marijuana users can visit a normal-looking retail shop.
“This ensures that patients are getting a clean, safe, tested product. It also ensures that the various types of medical marijuana are available, including the non-smokeable forms,” such as capsules, liquids and lotions, she said.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...e-pot-shops-worry-officials-detroit/72156168/
DETROIT — With some medical-marijuana stores in Detroit now offering drive-through purchasing, the city's marketplace for medical pot has spiraled out of control and needs to be regulated, Mayor Mike Duggan said.
Dozens of dispensaries line 8 Mile and other major thoroughfares in the city, and a Free Press investigation found that at least three offer drive-through service.
With medical marijuana being dispensed in Detroit as casually as burgers and fries, the mayor senses urgency as the City Council prepares to debate next week how to regulate the proliferating industry. Duggan said he supports restrictive zoning that would govern where the dispensaries can be located in relation to schools, churches, adult entertainment establishments and neighborhoods.
Proponents of medical-pot sales said that regulations could bring tax revenue to the city and eliminate unscrupulous dispensaries that might sell to anyone who walks in. But they warned that wrong-headed regulations, including those that single out drive-through service as any different than drive-through lanes at ordinary drugstores, could chill a new industry that promises to bring jobs and tax dollars as part of Detroit's economic rebound.
USA TODAY
As tribe prepares to legalize marijuana, questions remain
"We need to get an ordinance passed, because right now we have no ability to enforce anything," Duggan told reporters Friday. "I think we need to eliminate the drive-through aspect, which has now been added to some of these facilities."
The Free Press found three drive-through dispensaries, each in a former restaurant or bank that had drive-through lanes. The managers or owners of two of the dispensaries defended their drive-through windows, saying they are useful for people with disabilities that affect their mobility or other medical conditions.
The owner of the recently opened 420 Dank, located in a former restaurant near the Detroit Police Department's Eastern District Offices, said she understands concerns about the mushrooming number of dispensaries in Detroit, but she said it's unfair to single out those with drive-through windows.
"there are patients who aren't mobile, who can't walk in and out of the store," said the owner, Kim G., who asked that her last name not be used to protect her children's identity.
The drive-through window of 420 Dank (Photo: Salwan Georges, Detroit Free Press)
For customers like Lisa Price, the dispensary provides convenience and safety. Price, 55, of Detroit, suffers from chronic back pain that she said has lead to two surgeries. She said she counts on 420 Dank for relief.
"As long as it's legal and you have a medical card, it shouldn't be a problem," she said. "It's better than trying to buy off the street."
Price said she supports getting rid of dispensaries that sell to those without medical marijuana cards, but it shouldn't come at the expense of people with legitimate medical needs.
Kisha Smith, a manager of Green River Meds, located in a former bank on the city's west side, also said the drive-through at that facility serves a medical need. She cited several customers with skin conditions who use topical, cannabis-infused oils and lotions and often don't want to be seen inside the store.
The dispute over drive-through dispensaries underscores the sensitivities of the debate over how to regulate medical marijuana shops in a city with dozens of them, two of which have attracted police attention because of shootings. Residents and city officials have complained that their neighborhoods are inundated with unregulated dispensaries.
USA TODAY
Pot legalization debate blurs political lines in Ohio
Councilman James Tate, who could introduce as early as Tuesday an ordinance he's been crafting for months with city lawyers and the police department, also said he believes drive-though dispensary windows shouldn't be allowed.
"Right now, I'm not in favor of it," he said, although the city's ordinance, if approved, could be amended later if dispensaries provide a compelling case.
Tate said said he wants an ordinance that allows for safe access to medical marijuana through legitimate, licensed facilities not located in clusters or near schools, churches, recreation centers or adult-entertainment facilities.
Councilman Scott Benson, who lives near the neon green and white painted 420 Dank, said he's concerned that the sheer number of dispensaries "calls into question their commitment to providing medical marijuana versus selling smoke-able marijuana for recreational use." He said he supports banning drive-through windows at dispensaries.
USA TODAY
Ohio to vote on legalizing marijuana
Despite the criticism of drive-through windows, Smith said she's been encouraged by what she's heard about the direction the ordinance is taking, and she doesn't consider it a crackdown on legitimate dispensaries.
"We try to do everything the right way,” she said. “We want to work inside of all the laws and make sure everything's up to par.”
Michigan is one of only three states that allow medical marijuana but which don’t specifically allow dispensaries, said Karen O’Keefe, a spokeswoman for the nonprofit Marijuana Policy Project in Washington, D.C.
Because dispensaries in Michigan operate amid conflicting opinions about whether they are legal, they are not licensed, and so no one knows how many are open in Detroit, said Robin Schneider, legislative liaison for the National Patients Rights Association, a Michigan-based trade group of dispensary owners.
“If I had to guess, I’d say there’s between 80 and 100,” Schneider said.
Dispensaries safeguard society as well as medical-pot users, she said, because instead of relying on street-corner dealers or trying haphazardly to grow their own cannabis, medical-marijuana users can visit a normal-looking retail shop.
“This ensures that patients are getting a clean, safe, tested product. It also ensures that the various types of medical marijuana are available, including the non-smokeable forms,” such as capsules, liquids and lotions, she said.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...e-pot-shops-worry-officials-detroit/72156168/
sixstring
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sounds like a free for all in the big D lmao,i heard the disp 3 is closer to 180 in the metro area
oscar169
Farming 🌱
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Standing Committee Meeting
Judiciary, Rep. Klint Kesto, Chair
DATE: Tuesday, September 22, 2015
TIME: 12:00 PM
PLACE: Room 521, House Office Building, Lansing, MI
AGENDA:
HB 4209 (Rep. Callton) Health; medical marihuana; state and local regulation of marihuana provisioning centers; provide for.
HB 4210 (Rep. Lyons) Health; medical marihuana; marihuana-infused products; allow and regulate.
HB 4827 (Rep. Kesto) Marihuana; administration; seed-to-sale tracking system for commercial marihuana; establish.
FOR REFERRAL TO COMMITTEE ON CRIMINAL JUSTICE:
SB 384 (Sen. MacGregor) Human services; other; inspector general within the department of health and human services to appoint agents with limited arrest powers and the powers conferred on peace officers; allow.
SB 385 (Sen. Jones) Weapons; other; certain agents of the state department of health and human services office of inspector general; exempt from certain weapons prohibitions.
OR ANY BUSINESS PROPERLY BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE
To view text of legislation go to:
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/mileg.aspx...
Committee Clerk: Melissa Weipert
Phone: 517-373-5176
e-Mail: [email protected]
Individuals needing special accommodations to participate in the meeting may contact the Chair's office.
Schedule changes or cancellations available at
http://www.house.mi.gov/publiccommitteeschedule/
Here is the link to contact your local Senator, If you can't make it you can write them a letter to get your voice heard!
http://house.michigan.gov/MHRPublic/
potsmoke
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Take it from a native Detroiter ..i moved to florida and stayed 7 years and i made it just fine i we knew nobody where we lived.. if you can make it here you can make it anywhere .
3N1GM4
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How are you allowed 48 plants and only allowed 15 ounces of dry herb? What do you do when you harvest?
sixstring
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you only harvest one plant at a time,,,,and you hide 1/3 of that lol.its fucked up here.we get 12 plants per person but only 2.5 oz of dry usable product so unless you flower a 3 week old plant you will prolly be over your limits on your fist plant haha.
oscar169
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Trio Of Medical Marijuana Bills Head To House Floor In Michigan
I received the following legislative alert out of Michigan:
A series of critical bills emerged from committee and are heading to the House floor for a vote. While the vast majority of their provisions are significant improvements over Michigan’s current medical marijuana system, the price tag is high. To offset some of the cost, patients would face an 8% tax on medicine.
Let your state representative know that to succeed, it has to be a program patients can afford.
Few would argue with the fact that Michigan’s medical marijuana program is in need of an update. The current system offers few protections for individuals and businesses that provide medical cannabis to patients. HB 4209 is designed to establish statewide protections and consistent regulations. A companion bill, HB 4210, improves on the program by clearly including non-smoked forms of cannabis products. Finally, HB 4827 establishes tracking requirements for those who cultivate, process, transport, and provide medical cannabis to patients.
While most of these changes are welcome, there are several troubling provisions. The most obvious is the program’s estimated price tag. Seriously ill patients should not have their marijuana taxed, particularly when more harmful pharmaceutical medicine goes untaxed. This is unfair.
Please take a moment and get word to your representative to amend HB 4209 to make it affordable for patients. Then, please forward this email to friends, family, and supporters in Michigan!
Source: Marijuana Policy Project
I received the following legislative alert out of Michigan:
A series of critical bills emerged from committee and are heading to the House floor for a vote. While the vast majority of their provisions are significant improvements over Michigan’s current medical marijuana system, the price tag is high. To offset some of the cost, patients would face an 8% tax on medicine.
Let your state representative know that to succeed, it has to be a program patients can afford.
Few would argue with the fact that Michigan’s medical marijuana program is in need of an update. The current system offers few protections for individuals and businesses that provide medical cannabis to patients. HB 4209 is designed to establish statewide protections and consistent regulations. A companion bill, HB 4210, improves on the program by clearly including non-smoked forms of cannabis products. Finally, HB 4827 establishes tracking requirements for those who cultivate, process, transport, and provide medical cannabis to patients.
While most of these changes are welcome, there are several troubling provisions. The most obvious is the program’s estimated price tag. Seriously ill patients should not have their marijuana taxed, particularly when more harmful pharmaceutical medicine goes untaxed. This is unfair.
Please take a moment and get word to your representative to amend HB 4209 to make it affordable for patients. Then, please forward this email to friends, family, and supporters in Michigan!
Source: Marijuana Policy Project
oscar169
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Warren mayor says explosion a sign of medical pot abuse
The explosion blew a freezer door 35 feet through a rear doorwall and would've killed anyone who'd been home, after a medical-marijuana processor used butane to distill the drug, fire officials said.
(Photo: Warren Fire Department)
An explosion and fire Monday that devastated a Warren ranch house – unoccupied at the time – is one of at least 10 facilities or homes in the city where abuses of Michigan's medical marijuana law pose serious risks to public health and safety, Warren Mayor Jim Fouts said.
The explosion, which blew a freezer door 35 feet through the back of the house, occurred after a medical-marijuana processor used highly flammable butane to concentrate the drug, fire officials said.
"The recipe for this is on the internet, and you have amateurs doing this in their kitchens and basements," Fouts said. The explosion follows other incidents and a swelling number of resident complaints, all pushing him to speak out about medical marijuana entrepreneurs as seeking "pot for profits, not patients," Fouts said Thursday.
To solve the problems caused by medical marijuana, the city should license and inspect its distribution sites, Fouts said. But a lawsuit filed this week by a medical-marijuana "transfer center" on Hoover Road, located in the rear of a lawyer's office, alleges that the city's actual aim is to harass operators, seeking ways to arrest them and ultimately padlock their locations.
Mayor Jim Fouts (Photo: City of Warren/handout)
While much of the country moves toward liberalizing marijuana laws – Oregon legalized and regulated all sales on Thursday, and Alaska is expected to do so next year – Fouts voiced the concerns of many skeptics, those who say that Michigan and the nation are rushing into legalizing pot, both medicinal and recreational, without understanding the risks.
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Lawyer sues Warren over medical marijuana
"Marijuana legalization stands to trigger big, national problems for public health and safety (and) is not necessary to reform problematic laws regarding drug use and abuse," said Kenneth Sabet, a college professor in Florida who founded a nationally prominent anti-legalization group called SAM -- Smart Approaches to Marijuana.
Yet, those who want wider access for medical-marijuana users in Michigan -- and who support bills in Lansing to achieve that -- blamed Fouts and other opponents for trying to stifle commercial distribution centers at the cost of forcing patients to grow and process the plant on their own, leading to arrests, back-alley drug deals, and, butane explosions.
Besides this week’s ranch-house inferno, Warren has had several house fires caused when circuits couldn’t handle the higher power demands of high-intensity lights, humidifiers and ventilation systems needed to cultivate marijuana, Fouts said.
“I’m getting involved because I’ve had more and more complaints. People say they’re sickened by the smell. It’s like skunks,” he said.
Yet another concern is increased traffic, especially at night, around medical-marijuana outlets, which too often are in residential areas, he said.
Fouts also fired back at the lawsuit filed against the city Tuesday by the Michigan Safe Transfer Center, which seeks as much as $5 million in damages. Without commenting directly on the lawsuit, Fouts said the facility that sued the city, and named him in it, is too close to homes and to Cousino High School. The center is located in a former dentist’s office and occupies five rooms at what is now the rear of a law firm.
Fouts said the lawsuit, filed by attorney Michael Greiner who co-owns the facility, is “just drumming up business for his law practice.”
Warren fire service officials blamed Monday’s blast on the use of highly flammable butane to concentrate marijuana into BHO, or “butane hash oil,” a slang term for an ultra-potent form of medical cannabis. Across Michigan, there have been 16 similar incidents of butane explosions and fires resulting from medical marijuana processing, Warren Fire Commissioner Skip McAdams said.
In the Warren explosion, “these individuals stored this butane material in a freezer. Our belief is that the container tipped over in the freezer and the butane fumes circulated throughout the freezer and then a spark, either from the compressor or the fan, whichever turned on first – ignited the butane,” McAdams said.
The resulting explosion blew the freezer door through the home's rear doorwall and broke the kitchen gas line to the stove, “giving a fuel source to the fire,” he said. Fire inspectors estimated damage to the house at $90,000, not including its contents. The occupants of the house are under investigation and have not been charged, Warren Police Commissioner Jere Green said in a statement.
In 2013, Warren firefighters assisted those in Harrison Township when a BHO marijuana processor blew up an apartment building, seriously damaging nine units and shifting the entire two-story structure off its foundation, according to a Free Press report. In the incident, “a kid was using a vacuum cleaner to ventilate this, and that was the source of the spark,” Harrison Township Supervisor Ken Verkest said Thursday.
The youth survived but was seriously injured, Verkest said. He and others were charged with drug violations after the Harrison Township explosion, according to Free Press report.
But such incidents show more need, not less, to legalize commercial distribution of medical marijuana, said Rick Thompson, editor of an on-line magazine at www.TheCompassionChronicles.com and former eight-year resident of Warren, now caring for his elderly parents in Flint Township.
BHO, or butane honey oil, is “absolutely something that patients use. It’s essential to pediatric cases. Obviously, sick children don’t smoke marijuana,” and BHO allows parents to mix an effective dose into food, Thompson said.
“There have been some explosions, yes. With any new product and any emergent technology, there is a period of experimentation. But this is exactly why Mayor Fouts and his police force have been so wrong in preventing distribution centers from being in Warren. If people can’t get their medicine through commercial sources, patients are forced to manufacture it themselves. I can tell you, the guys on 8 Mile and Mound road selling marijuana (illegally) don’t have this (BHO),” he said.
A proposed state law that would allow medical-marijuana distribution centers, commonly called dispensaries, has a section that restricts the use of butane by anyone processing marijuana in a residential home, according to its chief sponsor State Rep. Michael Callton, R-Nashville.
Greiner, the Warren attorney who sued the city of Warren and Fouts this week, said he studied how to set up his Michigan Safe Transfer Center within state law before opening eight months ago.
“We are next to a house but there are houses next to many businesses (in Warren), and we’re more than 1,200 feet from Cousino High School,” Greiner said.
“State law says that caregivers can be located anywhere, as long as they keep their plants in an enclosed and locked facility and limit them to 12 for each patient,” Greiner said. His center contracts with caregivers, who use the facility to meet with patients and supply the drug to them, he said.
A medical-marijuana ordinance that Fouts has proposed for regulating distribution centers “would ban anyone from being a caregiver and growing medical marijuana” in the city, in violation of a Michigan Supreme Court decision last year, Greiner said. He said his center’s scrupulous attention to state law has frustrated police.
“Despite the fact that they raided us two times, there have been no arrests and they did not seize any plants. Instead, they seized the computers. They’ve taken quite a few computers. They even took a copy of a book I’ve written,” Greiner said.
“It has nothing to do with marijuana,” Greiner said
Contact Bill Laitner: [email protected] or 313-223-4485.
http://www.freep.com/story/news/201...michigan-warren-mayor-jim-fouts-sam/73173536/
The explosion blew a freezer door 35 feet through a rear doorwall and would've killed anyone who'd been home, after a medical-marijuana processor used butane to distill the drug, fire officials said.
(Photo: Warren Fire Department)
An explosion and fire Monday that devastated a Warren ranch house – unoccupied at the time – is one of at least 10 facilities or homes in the city where abuses of Michigan's medical marijuana law pose serious risks to public health and safety, Warren Mayor Jim Fouts said.
The explosion, which blew a freezer door 35 feet through the back of the house, occurred after a medical-marijuana processor used highly flammable butane to concentrate the drug, fire officials said.
"The recipe for this is on the internet, and you have amateurs doing this in their kitchens and basements," Fouts said. The explosion follows other incidents and a swelling number of resident complaints, all pushing him to speak out about medical marijuana entrepreneurs as seeking "pot for profits, not patients," Fouts said Thursday.
To solve the problems caused by medical marijuana, the city should license and inspect its distribution sites, Fouts said. But a lawsuit filed this week by a medical-marijuana "transfer center" on Hoover Road, located in the rear of a lawyer's office, alleges that the city's actual aim is to harass operators, seeking ways to arrest them and ultimately padlock their locations.
Mayor Jim Fouts (Photo: City of Warren/handout)
While much of the country moves toward liberalizing marijuana laws – Oregon legalized and regulated all sales on Thursday, and Alaska is expected to do so next year – Fouts voiced the concerns of many skeptics, those who say that Michigan and the nation are rushing into legalizing pot, both medicinal and recreational, without understanding the risks.
DETROIT FREE PRESS
Lawyer sues Warren over medical marijuana
"Marijuana legalization stands to trigger big, national problems for public health and safety (and) is not necessary to reform problematic laws regarding drug use and abuse," said Kenneth Sabet, a college professor in Florida who founded a nationally prominent anti-legalization group called SAM -- Smart Approaches to Marijuana.
Yet, those who want wider access for medical-marijuana users in Michigan -- and who support bills in Lansing to achieve that -- blamed Fouts and other opponents for trying to stifle commercial distribution centers at the cost of forcing patients to grow and process the plant on their own, leading to arrests, back-alley drug deals, and, butane explosions.
Besides this week’s ranch-house inferno, Warren has had several house fires caused when circuits couldn’t handle the higher power demands of high-intensity lights, humidifiers and ventilation systems needed to cultivate marijuana, Fouts said.
“I’m getting involved because I’ve had more and more complaints. People say they’re sickened by the smell. It’s like skunks,” he said.
Yet another concern is increased traffic, especially at night, around medical-marijuana outlets, which too often are in residential areas, he said.
Fouts also fired back at the lawsuit filed against the city Tuesday by the Michigan Safe Transfer Center, which seeks as much as $5 million in damages. Without commenting directly on the lawsuit, Fouts said the facility that sued the city, and named him in it, is too close to homes and to Cousino High School. The center is located in a former dentist’s office and occupies five rooms at what is now the rear of a law firm.
Fouts said the lawsuit, filed by attorney Michael Greiner who co-owns the facility, is “just drumming up business for his law practice.”
Warren fire service officials blamed Monday’s blast on the use of highly flammable butane to concentrate marijuana into BHO, or “butane hash oil,” a slang term for an ultra-potent form of medical cannabis. Across Michigan, there have been 16 similar incidents of butane explosions and fires resulting from medical marijuana processing, Warren Fire Commissioner Skip McAdams said.
In the Warren explosion, “these individuals stored this butane material in a freezer. Our belief is that the container tipped over in the freezer and the butane fumes circulated throughout the freezer and then a spark, either from the compressor or the fan, whichever turned on first – ignited the butane,” McAdams said.
The resulting explosion blew the freezer door through the home's rear doorwall and broke the kitchen gas line to the stove, “giving a fuel source to the fire,” he said. Fire inspectors estimated damage to the house at $90,000, not including its contents. The occupants of the house are under investigation and have not been charged, Warren Police Commissioner Jere Green said in a statement.
In 2013, Warren firefighters assisted those in Harrison Township when a BHO marijuana processor blew up an apartment building, seriously damaging nine units and shifting the entire two-story structure off its foundation, according to a Free Press report. In the incident, “a kid was using a vacuum cleaner to ventilate this, and that was the source of the spark,” Harrison Township Supervisor Ken Verkest said Thursday.
The youth survived but was seriously injured, Verkest said. He and others were charged with drug violations after the Harrison Township explosion, according to Free Press report.
But such incidents show more need, not less, to legalize commercial distribution of medical marijuana, said Rick Thompson, editor of an on-line magazine at www.TheCompassionChronicles.com and former eight-year resident of Warren, now caring for his elderly parents in Flint Township.
BHO, or butane honey oil, is “absolutely something that patients use. It’s essential to pediatric cases. Obviously, sick children don’t smoke marijuana,” and BHO allows parents to mix an effective dose into food, Thompson said.
“There have been some explosions, yes. With any new product and any emergent technology, there is a period of experimentation. But this is exactly why Mayor Fouts and his police force have been so wrong in preventing distribution centers from being in Warren. If people can’t get their medicine through commercial sources, patients are forced to manufacture it themselves. I can tell you, the guys on 8 Mile and Mound road selling marijuana (illegally) don’t have this (BHO),” he said.
A proposed state law that would allow medical-marijuana distribution centers, commonly called dispensaries, has a section that restricts the use of butane by anyone processing marijuana in a residential home, according to its chief sponsor State Rep. Michael Callton, R-Nashville.
Greiner, the Warren attorney who sued the city of Warren and Fouts this week, said he studied how to set up his Michigan Safe Transfer Center within state law before opening eight months ago.
“We are next to a house but there are houses next to many businesses (in Warren), and we’re more than 1,200 feet from Cousino High School,” Greiner said.
“State law says that caregivers can be located anywhere, as long as they keep their plants in an enclosed and locked facility and limit them to 12 for each patient,” Greiner said. His center contracts with caregivers, who use the facility to meet with patients and supply the drug to them, he said.
A medical-marijuana ordinance that Fouts has proposed for regulating distribution centers “would ban anyone from being a caregiver and growing medical marijuana” in the city, in violation of a Michigan Supreme Court decision last year, Greiner said. He said his center’s scrupulous attention to state law has frustrated police.
“Despite the fact that they raided us two times, there have been no arrests and they did not seize any plants. Instead, they seized the computers. They’ve taken quite a few computers. They even took a copy of a book I’ve written,” Greiner said.
“It has nothing to do with marijuana,” Greiner said
Contact Bill Laitner: [email protected] or 313-223-4485.
http://www.freep.com/story/news/201...michigan-warren-mayor-jim-fouts-sam/73173536/
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Booby traps near marijuana grow lead to federal charges
DETROIT — A man who may have been trying to steal marijuana was injured when he stepped on and detonated one of several booby traps protecting a large drug growing operation outside of a Detroit home, authorities said.
The 28-year-old man apparently tripped the explosive Sunday morning while walking in a vacant field on the city’s west side and had a cut on his foot from the blast, police said. Detroit Police Officer Dan Donakowski told The Detroit News the man “heard some loud explosions and felt pain.”
A man who investigators believe planted the traps cooperated with authorities, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives spokesman Donald Dawkins told The Associated Press. He wasn’t in custody Monday morning, Dawkins said, but he was expected to face federal explosives charges.
Dawkins said at least four explosive devices were found and that they were placed in an area where children or utility crews could have been injured.
“They were powerful enough to cause a substantial injury … to anyone who came in contact with them,” Dawkins said.
The man also told investigators that the marijuana was being grown for medicinal purposes and that he had state authorization to grow it, but Dawkins said that’s irrelevant in this case because of the explosives. Firearms also were found in the home, Dawkins said.
Michigan voters approved marijuana use for some chronic medical conditions in 2008. State law, however, conflicts with federal law about possession and use.
The man who was injured may have been trying to steal marijuana from the growing operation, Dawkins said. The investigation was ongoing.
The man was taken to a hospital for treatment, police said.
http://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...015/09/21/marijuana-grow-booby-trap/72558366/
DETROIT — A man who may have been trying to steal marijuana was injured when he stepped on and detonated one of several booby traps protecting a large drug growing operation outside of a Detroit home, authorities said.
The 28-year-old man apparently tripped the explosive Sunday morning while walking in a vacant field on the city’s west side and had a cut on his foot from the blast, police said. Detroit Police Officer Dan Donakowski told The Detroit News the man “heard some loud explosions and felt pain.”
A man who investigators believe planted the traps cooperated with authorities, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives spokesman Donald Dawkins told The Associated Press. He wasn’t in custody Monday morning, Dawkins said, but he was expected to face federal explosives charges.
Dawkins said at least four explosive devices were found and that they were placed in an area where children or utility crews could have been injured.
“They were powerful enough to cause a substantial injury … to anyone who came in contact with them,” Dawkins said.
The man also told investigators that the marijuana was being grown for medicinal purposes and that he had state authorization to grow it, but Dawkins said that’s irrelevant in this case because of the explosives. Firearms also were found in the home, Dawkins said.
Michigan voters approved marijuana use for some chronic medical conditions in 2008. State law, however, conflicts with federal law about possession and use.
The man who was injured may have been trying to steal marijuana from the growing operation, Dawkins said. The investigation was ongoing.
The man was taken to a hospital for treatment, police said.
http://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...015/09/21/marijuana-grow-booby-trap/72558366/
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They just passed a bill last week that's aimed at and will probably shut down 99.5% of all Detroit area dispensaries!
No dispensaries will be allowed within 500 feet of any liquor store or 1,000 feet of any schools or churches......... if you've ever been to the D there's a church or liquor store on almost every corner. I don't like the way these dispensaries have been poppin' up all over the place selling garbage to sick people then they're not even doing anything to approve the community it's in. I heard the city has scheduled a meeting with the dispo owners sometime next week.
A lil bird also told me that the fuckers are coming after our plant numbers too, trying to knock em down to two total instead of 12, WTF?? 12 plants is the law but it seems the greedy politicians are rolling up their sleeves and fighting hard to amend that to pad the hell outta there pockets. They have been watching CO and salivating for a long time, probably still won't fix the roads.
No dispensaries will be allowed within 500 feet of any liquor store or 1,000 feet of any schools or churches......... if you've ever been to the D there's a church or liquor store on almost every corner. I don't like the way these dispensaries have been poppin' up all over the place selling garbage to sick people then they're not even doing anything to approve the community it's in. I heard the city has scheduled a meeting with the dispo owners sometime next week.
A lil bird also told me that the fuckers are coming after our plant numbers too, trying to knock em down to two total instead of 12, WTF?? 12 plants is the law but it seems the greedy politicians are rolling up their sleeves and fighting hard to amend that to pad the hell outta there pockets. They have been watching CO and salivating for a long time, probably still won't fix the roads.
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95-11...
Wonder wtf is gonna happen now???
Hold on to your hats, boys n girls
Wonder wtf is gonna happen now???
Hold on to your hats, boys n girls
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What is 95-11?
oscar169
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the bill passed the House with 95 Yes Votes and 11 No Votes .....:)
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If legalization passes aren't they going to cut us down to two plants per house hold? I don't see to much happiness here. I like things the way they are.
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