were would one get some landrace strains.. the originals?

[RandyPickles]

And that train has left the station since Phillip Morris owns all of the Emerald Triangle! We've gotta start getting real with each other!

 

[homebrew420]

Ace, Cannabiogen, Mandala and the others recommended here are all solid places to start. I've loved the results since I started running pure sativas. Wouldn't step foot in a shop here if ya paid me. You're going to have to look very hard for true landraces (as in going to the places and coming back with seeds) but I would start with simply talking to people. There are some amazing strains from the east coast. Some East coast landraces that come to mind are:

Herojuana (half Kentucky landrace)
Bubblegum (original from Serious is landrace from Indiana)
Florida Lemonade (FL landrace)
Diesel (NYC area landrace)

and don't forget there's been a huge scene in Woodstock and all the artist colonies throughout the Northeast for centuries!!! Plenty of NYC strains have been growing wild in and around the city for centuries. Just read Jack Kerouac's Desolation Angels and he talks about the giant "field of tea" growing right under the Brooklyn Bridge, and this was the 1950s!!!

If you want to preserve genetics and try sativas from around the world (which is what I do), go with the seed companies mentioned. Orient Express from Ace is a great place to start as is Satori and others from Mandala, which being hybrids grow a bit easier than the Aces, but still I think 99% of the people who complain about sativas being scary and unable to grow in a tent have either never grown one before and are just rehashing Ed Rosenthal's statement from 1984 at the height of Afghani vogue, or need to work on their growing skills.

What I'm doing is creating my own landrace with my favorite strains which will grow perfectly for my climate. After 5 seasons, you've got a landrace!! I have seeds of a landrace from socal I got from a friend in his 60s. He said over the years it started to stretch with the longer season and the buds thinned out so it grows really interestingly as it must have been an indica that over the years of being grown in a desert has become a sativa. He said it took about 5 seasons which seems to be the common answer I get. So find strains you like but more importantly will grow in your climate and start breeding!! In a few grows you'll have something noone has ever seen (for good or ill)!!! Best of luck!

Sooo, I agree with you companies suggested, at this point a Google search brings all them up.
however I'm not sure what you mean by, "wouldn't step foot in a shop here if you paid me." Reputable shop is going to give the info they have. MasterThai is highly reputable been around probably longer than some of the breeders listed. In CA as well.

Another note; not one of those East coast landrace are landrace. They are clone only bag seeds. I disagree whole heartily that one can developers a landrace variety indoors. That's breeding.
And one more thing, I know I may sound like a jerk but, 5 seasons does not make a ladrace variety. epigenetic activity will not change and morph something that quickly. Mostly. I will admit this is not based in a scientic study, just my experience with breeding.
Landrace/native populations will sort themselves out over multiple generation and people can help that along when harvesting and using their favorite plants to reseed population. Generally there is no heavy selection, but instead an understanding to look for speed and vigor among other traits. One is not typically culling males and females to get only the best few for next generation.
what are the Lansdale types?
Country of origin, village of origin, locally cultivated. All outdoors with minimal selection.
this is why you see some breeders using the term "selected landrace" we want better. And anyone who has grown LR out know they want someone to have made at least a few selections, nobody want to puff on hay.

Sorry if this was ranting, hope you find what you looking for. Its mostly available out there.

Peace

 

[RandyPickles]

Sooo, I agree with you companies suggested, at this point a Google search brings all them up.
however I'm not sure what you mean by, "wouldn't step foot in a shop here if you paid me." Reputable shop is going to give the info they have. MasterThai is highly reputable been around probably longer than some of the breeders listed. In CA as well.

Another note; not one of those East coast landrace are landrace. They are clone only bag seeds. I disagree whole heartily that one can developers a landrace variety indoors. That's breeding.
And one more thing, I know I may sound like a jerk but, 5 seasons does not make a ladrace variety. epigenetic activity will not change and morph something that quickly. Mostly. I will admit this is not based in a scientic study, just my experience with breeding.
Landrace/native populations will sort themselves out over multiple generation and people can help that along when harvesting and using their favorite plants to reseed population. Generally there is no heavy selection, but instead an understanding to look for speed and vigor among other traits. One is not typically culling males and females to get only the best few for next generation.
what are the Lansdale types?
Country of origin, village of origin, locally cultivated. All outdoors with minimal selection.
this is why you see some breeders using the term "selected landrace" we want better. And anyone who has grown LR out know they want someone to have made at least a few selections, nobody want to puff on hay.

Sorry if this was ranting, hope you find what you looking for. Its mostly available out there.

Peace

Hi @homebrew420 ! Thanks for the info! I meant medical cannabis dispensaries here in Southern California to get flowers due to their lack or variety and I was proclaiming my love of pure sativas that are impossible to find down here. I wasn't referring to this board or anyone on it in any way.

The definition of landrace is a little obtuse. There's lots of room for confusion and I'm often confused ;)

I consider a landrace a cannabis plant which has not been touched by outside genetics for long enough to adapt to its environment in noticeable gene shifts. When you grow a plant it's already changing as my tent is not the same as when the plant went to sleep in Africa, Hawaii, etc. and we know a plants expression is 50% genetic and 50% environmental.

I could be totally wrong about the strains mentioned. I was only trying to say that we know Cannabis has been in North America since before European settlers came. Thus there are literally uncountable plots around the country which are true landraces.

I wouldn't dissuade him from trying to grow strains outdoors and inbreed them until he sees the gene shifts. If we all did that, we'd all have truly unique genetic expressions to share.

Thanks again and apologies for any dumb statements on my part :)

 

[UCMETOO]

problem is i am from the East Coast.. and out here.. cuts of the REAL DEAL .. are normaly not what people say they are.. so its easy to say ya they use good cuts and shit.. but ya .. look at how much people pay for clones for crosses.. look at green crack.. cecil paid 2500 fora cutting.. if it were easier to get cuttings in this area i would rather go with the cuttings.

If you feed the greed it will only want more,.....sorry but that is just silly to spend that kind of cash.

 

[homebrew420]

No dumb comments as far as I'm concerned. And @RandyPickles I did misunderstand you haha. Was sure where you were taking about. Y'all need come visit the beautiful state of CO. I have obtained Colombian, Thai x3 different populations, Cambodian, Afghani, Jamaican,
a clone of Vietnamese variety, and a select Korean (our mother of Romulan cut).
We are trying man.

Peace

 

[RandyPickles]

No dumb comments as far as I'm concerned. And @RandyPickles I did misunderstand you haha. Was sure where you were taking about. Y'all need come visit the beautiful state of CO. I have obtained Colombian, Thai x3 different populations, Cambodian, Afghani, Jamaican,
a clone of Vietnamese variety, and a select Korean (our mother of Romulan cut).
We are trying man.

Peace

Oh brother... Knowing that Korean is half of Romulan and having my all time favorite sativa Vietnam Black, I'm envious! You've got a righteous bank going and I'm stoked to see what comes out! Much respect!!

 

[homebrew420]

Thanks broham! Want the Vietnam black sooooo bad! Going to have a few lights dedicated to landrace genetics soon. That's when the fun begin.....oh I mean the WAIT begins! Haha

Peace all

 

[texasjack]

Classic Seeds has Mexican landraces for sale on Seed Boutique.

 

[toquer]

Makes me wonder about one of the strains we have. We picked her up from an old time grower five years ago now. He had her for at least seven before that. He got her from a friend that had her for three years. This friend planted the bean. That's fifteen years... It's been clone only for a long time. She's still the same. She is awesome outdoors. Can't turn her with light, heat, or pH stress. Colodial silver does nothing. Trying STS next. Have wanted to play with a cross or two and preserving her.
She's always been in CA. Tastes like OG looks like pure kush. Could this be a good place to start? old genetics? Is fifteen years old enough? I don't remember when prop 215 passed. That started the legal/medical process in Cali.
I know there are a few growers growing the same thing for a few decades out there.

 

[RandyPickles]

Makes me wonder about one of the strains we have. We picked her up from an old time grower five years ago now. He had her for at least seven before that. He got her from a friend that had her for three years. This friend planted the bean. That's fifteen years... It's been clone only for a long time. She's still the same. She is awesome outdoors. Can't turn her with light, heat, or pH stress. Colodial silver does nothing. Trying STS next. Have wanted to play with a cross or two and preserving her.
She's always been in CA. Tastes like OG looks like pure kush. Could this be a good place to start? old genetics? Is fifteen years old enough? I don't remember when prop 215 passed. That started the legal/medical process in Cali.
I know there are a few growers growing the same thing for a few decades out there.

@toquer YES!!! I love hearing people that have been running the same strain for years because you now have a very unique almost landrace strain given that it's had decades to adapt to your specific environment!! Super cool! If you can preserve it, by all means do! I'd cut a couple clones, spray the STS for a week or so covering the entire little clone (after it's rooted) for a week of veg, then what I like to do is keep all the clones in a cardboard box in their solo cups and flower them at the same time, so I can just move the sex box out of the tent. Keep spraying the rev clone for the two weeks after flower until you see bananas! Best of luck! If you're in San Diego, email me at [email protected] so I can get you some of the rare landraces my friends around here have run for 20-40 years! So glad to see people preserving and expanding the genetics pool!!!!

 

[215 User]

Snow High Seeds also has some exotic heirloom/landraces...


These are at P.O. in L.A.

SnowHigh Seeds


Black Star (Black Russian x Sensi Star x Acapulco Gold x C99)

Black Mamba (Vietnam Black x Black Congolese) NEW

Purple Pantera (Pink Panther x Grape Krush F2) NEW

Purple Pineapple Bomb( Pineapple Thai x Grape Krush F2) NEW

Dream Land (Pipe Dream x Thors Hammer x Pure Kush x Uzbekistani) NEW

Panama Gold (Pablo’s Gold x Pablo’s Gold red stemmed Panama Red and Colombian gold expressed male) NEW

Thors Hammer IX (An in cross of Thors Hammer males and females) Vortex (Apollo13xSpacequeen x Acapulco Gold x C99) Very nice visually and a highly resinous strain of moderate to huge sized colas which finish quickly for a sativa hybrid, very tasty. A great combination of connoisseur and commercial. NEW

Faded Glory (Blueberry Blast x OG Purple Fire Thai) NEW

September Poison Girl: Sensi Durban Poison (pink pistil) x Pure Kush x Uzbekistani NEW

Lavender Purple Pantera: Lavender #1 x Purple Pantera #4 male NEW

SuperNova (White Gold (Malawi Gold x White) x Acapulco Gold x C99) NEW

Blazing Pantera: Pink Snow x Purple Pantera #4 male NEW

Purple Eclipse: Super Nova x Purple Pantera #4 male NEW

Krop Killer: Chem Dog x Thors Hammer x Pure Kush x Uzbekistani NEW

Shock Wave: Electric Lemon OG x OG Purple Fire Thai NEW

Winter Green: Tahoe Snow #5 (Tahoe OG Kush x True Gangster Kush) x OG Purple Fire Thai (NorCal Fire OG Kush x Purple Thai x Neville’s Haze F3) NEW

Hell Fire OG: Grand Fire OG #3 x OG Purple Fire Thai NEW

Adamantium: Iron Cindy x Pure Kush x Uzbekistani NEW

Heroine: Herijuana x Pure Kush x Uzbekistani NEW

Purple Pantera Bx: (Pink Panther x Grape Krush F2) NEW

Arc Angel: Hells Angel #1 x OG Purple Fire Thai NEW

Chingona: Abusive OG x Pablo’s Gold x OG Purple Fire Thai NEW

Snow Mountain: SnowCap x Pure Kush x Uzbekistani NEW

Black Sunshine: (Black Maui x Vietnam Gold) NEW

Du Ma Vietnamese: (Vietnam Black #2 x Vietnam Gold) NEW

Sunshine: (Malawi Gold x Chronic x Angola Red x Thai x Purple Thai) NEW

Purple Heart: Romulan (One of the original Mendocino/NorCal cuts) x Vietnam Gold) NEW


Super Charger: (DTHFC99 F2 x Angola Red x Thai x Purple Thai) NEW


Blazing Dragon: (Maui Wowie 76 x Burmese) NEW

(Lambsbread x Panama Red) Landrace Heirloom hybrid NEW

Mexican Red Grapefruit: (Grapefruit Haze x Acapulco Gold x C99) NEW

Colombian Kush: (Colombian Gold x Green Pakistani x Acapulco Gold x C99) NEW

Magic Man: (Medicine Man x White Russian x Acapulco Gold x C99) NEW

Crystal Skull: (Choco Chiba x Metal Haze F2 x Angola Red) NEW

Golden Thai: (Gold King Thai (Golden Thai Stick) x Pablos Gold red stem male) NEW

Epic: (California Purple Haze x Thors Hammer x Pure Kush x Uzbekistani) NEW

Afghani Street Sweeper: (Abusive OG Kush x Thors Hammer x Pure Kush x Uzbekistani) NEW

Metal Dragon (Metal Haze F1 x Burmese) NEW

Royal Purple Thai (Angola Red x Meao Thai x Purple Thai x Big Sur Holy Weed x Purple Thai) Heirloom Landrace hybrid NEW

Royal Chocolate Thai (Chocolate Thai x C99 x Angola Red x Meao Thai x Purple Thai) NEW

Crazy Train (Nam Wreck x Vietnam Gold) Snows Crazy Train is a combination of Billy Goats Nam Wreck(Vietnam Black x E32 Trainwreck) x Vietnam Gold (Vietnam Black x G13Black Widow x Schrom) This is a no joke hybrid of high potency, great resin production and a myriad of colors, this strain will blast you into outer space or make you look for a hiding place to hide your mind from. A killer combination of South East Asian Vietnamese Black with degrees of Colombian Gold, potentially Korean genetics from the Romulan in the Schrom? Who knows for sure but this is a good yielding, highly resinous, moderately fast finishing for its genetic base in the equatorial regions but with plenty of purples and various colorations will please all looking for that intense high and something different but pleasing to the grower and smoker. NEW

Vietnamese Laughing Grass (Dalat-purple pheno x Black Congolese) NEW

Napalm Strike (Pablo’s Gold#14 x Vietnam Gold) NEW

Black Congolese IX #2 (Black Congolese x Double Congolese) Not very often will the chance be provided to the general public of an offering of pure landrace genetics without junking up the genetics with something else. This is a preservation in the works in line with several others in the hope to preserve and offer true heritage, heirloom and landrace genetics to the world. The Black Congolese in cross was made to preserve the central African cannabis genetics. NEW

Black Magic (Swazi Rooibard x Black Congolese) Landrace African strains from Central Africa and Southern Africa combine to offer you a true treat that is rarely offered as pure as this cross is. The 2 strains were sourced directly from Africa and never came from a seed bank but my other cannabis lovers. The Swazi produces large colas and colitas that are covered in shiny resin glands like glistening diamonds, the plants get large with bud sites and colas shooting everywhere in a upright fashion. The Congolese Black male comes indirectly from the Democratic Republic of the Congo and produces dense floral clusters for an equatorial cannabis strain. The result is a Pure African Landrace hybrid of some of the finest African genetics for yields and qualities without being tainted by modern cannabis genetics. A true cannabis strain for serious connoisseurs and lovers of great cannabis.NEW

Berserker (Skywalker OG x Thors Hammer) Skywalker OG is one of my favorite OG Kushes, it’s one of the closest cuts to what people know of as OG Kush, it’s one of the few strains that does the trick every time. It’s very potent, it’s got a great taste and aroma with descent yields for an OG Kush. The Skywalker OG can be finicky at times and won’t produce as well as it could so complimenting it with other strains can be useful to increase yields, rooting, branching without suffering a loss in its best attributes. Thors Hammer is a combination of Vortex (Apollo13xSpacequeen)x Acapulco Gold x C99. Thors Hammer produces large plants of spear like colas of easily trimmed, resinous and fast finishing flowers. Combined with the Skywalker OG, Berserker plants have become easier to grow, train and yield more but without compromising the potency.NEW

Goji Purple Fire Thai (Goji OG x OG Purple Fire Thai)NEW

Royal Purple (A very Purple Colombian Gold/Cheese/Panama Red hybrid x Vietnam Gold) This is a connoisseur purple strain of the highest order, the female produced some of the most dark purple resinous featherlike but dense floral clusters of Colombian and Panama Red leaning expressions. The male Vietnam Gold is (Vietnam Black x G13Black Widow x Schrom) which in its own right has immense color with purple dominating with hues of pink and red to golden highlights. The Vietnam Gold high is somewhat like a Lebanese Red hash with a soaring high reminiscent of Chocolate Thai. This is a Royal combination of genetics and will be released in small amounts but will be highly coveted by all who decided to partake in its metal and physical indulgence.NEW

Panama Black (Black Haze x Panama Red)NEW

Low-Key (Loki): (Magic Man x Thors Hammer x Pure Kush x Uzbekistani) The original Low-Key(Loki) was created as a breeding commercial strain(SnowHigh) but never released pure. The addition of the Pure Kush x Uzbekistani male will create larger roundish buds on the already large spear clusters of the original Low-Key mothers. The Low-Key is flavorful and potent with the aroma to match the great high. This is a real crowd pleaser for the grower and consumer.NEW

Congolese Red (Panama Red x Congolese Black) Not to be mistaken for the Red Congolese strain which is a multi-poly hybrid. This a pure equatorial heirloom hybrid using a long flowering but highly sought after Panama Red female with an equally rare and trippy equatorial African Congolese Black male. This is not to be missed, a true genetic gold mine for cannabis breeders, growers and connoisseurs, real cannabis genetics of origin.NEW

Burning Spear

Ortega Haze x Black Congolese) Ortega Haze (Ortega Indica x Haze) A larger yielding haze dominant effect but with more body and faster flowering time. The Congolese Black is a landrace from Africa with a long flowering time, this hybrid is for patient growers who want something really special. NEW

Devils Tit (Durban Poison x Acapulco Gold x C99) most phenotypes are heavy to large yielders with a few smaller in structure. Most phenos are very potent with trippy qualities and racing waves of euphoria. Aromas range from Cherry Chap Stick to Strawberry Lemonade. Concentrates made from these flowers can be too potent for a majority of heads. NEW

Grimm Creeper (80’s Afghani x Pure Kush x Uzbekistani) This is a commercial growers dream cross of genetics that will produce outstanding yields of potent 80’s era type, killer green buds. NEW

Heart of Darkness: Narrow Leaf Afghani x Uzbekistani x Congolese Black (Landrace Heirloom Afghani/Uzbeki pollinated by a Congolese Black landrace male. Original and ultra-rare genetics of the highest quality for breeders and connoisseurs. These are not watered down genetics but the real thing made available and found nowhere else NEW

Blackberry Spacewreck (Black Russian x Arcata TW x Acapulco Gold x C99)

Blueberry Blast (Johnny Blaze x Blue Dream)

Deep Shit (Deep Cough x Acapulco Gold x C99)

Golden White Grapefruit (G.F. Haze x White Russian x Acapulco Gold x C99)

Holy Diver (Holy Chocolate Thai x Acapulco Gold x C99)

Thors Hammer (Vortex x Acapulco Gold x C99)

Pipe Dream (Blue Dream, Acapulco Gold x C99)

Super Massive Black Hole: (Super Nova x Vietnam Gold) Super Nova (Malawi Gold x White x Acapulco Gold x C99) x Vietnam Gold (Vietnam Black x G13Black Widow x Schrom(Romulan x Colombian Gold)) NEW

Purple Monkey Balls (Sputnik 1.0 F2 x Acapulco Gold x C99)

Purple Rose (96 Flo IX x Acapulco Gold x C99)

Quicksilver (Iron Cindy [Metal Haze x C99] x Acapulco Gold x C99)

 

[thexsitu]

anyone know were to get the original strains that it all started from? what did the breeders start with ? and if u were a new breeder what would u start witht?

Text me a message.

 

[SpiderK]

really hate paypal ...... oh well. ^^^

maybe next time or things change. cash should be king ....

 

[Ned Kelly]

Real seed co Uk , only prob is u need a friend in uk as they dont post here .
Pictured below r lebanes and kumanoi , i also have mazar i sharif , ukrul , melania cream kerala ....ect , real land race . If u hit me up on ig u can see all . Peace and good hunting .