we cant all be that busy with outdoor.this mpb forums dead.what happened?cant we all bullshit about system tweaking or sumthen i need more threads:rain
 
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imho with dd's gone and all his followers ready to talk shit any time some1 comes up with a new spin on dd's system..They would say I was GOING AGAINST THE GRAIN and dd's system is perfect... Makes it difficult for others to speak haha I DON'T CARE WHAT OTHERS THINK ,so HERE'S MY THOUGHTS..

1. I think if you veg longer you will get a taller tree larger yeild.

2. I think you can leave the recirculating out of his dwc and then you can run as many strains as you want and @ different times of flower MAKES IT MORE perpetual...And YOU DON'T NEED SECOND BUCKET UNDERNEATH TO GIVE YOU HEIGHT FOR GRAVITY RETURN allowing for the tree to get taller.AND all that plumbing push and drawing IS NO LONGER NEEDED!!!

3. I think you can double stack your 1000k and make a 8' wall of lights to go with your taller bitch

4. pondmaster has a air pump same specs as highbow but only 1 3rd of cost

5.they make boat water holding tanks.completely sealed and they install all your fitting for around 200$ per box this way you don't need a piece of wood over a reservoir and you can get a big container to go with DD's new drip line theory..

6. diy nutes.. I make my own so I can dump my containers every 3.5 days for Penny's of what you store bought nute guys spend.. This also allows me to confidently get ride of recirculating part in the system.. Cause how can a plant eat 50+gallons of nutes in 3.5 days IT CANT....

NOW IF MORE HAVE IDEAS we can ad them together and make a better dd's system..
Not cause were better or smarter then him but this is how the world works.. Some1 has an idea that works and others try to mimic it then make it better/cheaper Cars houses tv etc.. Can U imagne if we all were still driving the model T ??? It worked great but was there a better way of making cars?????

IMHO it's probably better he's gone cause most developers/builders/inventors DON'T LIKE THERE IDEAS/INVENTIONS FUCKED WITH... SO NOW MAYBE AS A GROUP WE CAN take this system to next level????


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Why does DD's system recirculate?

1. to mix the nutes/water so there all the same ppm/ph @ all time
2. to chill water
3. to have a center location to check ppm ph
4. float valve to keep the water level the same...
5. filling /flushing

If there in 1 container NOT RECIRCULATING then imho you must treat them like individuals,so you need

a. there own float valve 15$ 1 per plant
b. stainless steel coil (100$ for 5) 1 per plant
c. 110v water valve 35$ 1 per plant
d. aqua stat 35$ 1 per plant
e 100-300 gallon reservoir depending on how many bitches AND THEY SHARE THIS remember you can fill this up whenever its just ph adjusted r.o water(WOULD NOT RECOMMEND USING A FLOAT FROM R.O CAUSE YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OF PH IMHO)
f. 350 pondmaster for drip emitters 1 pump per plant

DD's system already call for alot of AIR STONES ,BUT i LIKE THESE and yes there expensive,but quality and will last longer: micropore double xl
I like to take them apart and for under 1 $ each you can add a barb fitting inside it and now you have 2 for 35$ish compared for 1 @ 25$ish..
So you don't need any under current(RECIRCULATING) if you use alot of stones and air WHICH IS WHAT HIS SYSTEM ALREADY CALLS FOR...

Now you'll see my s.s. coil,110v water valve,and aqua stat are very cheap...
google them you'll find them straight from china..
WHERE THIS COMES FROM and you pay 300 for package

http://watercooledgardens.com

found that you can buy 50' coil of s.s. for 100 and cut it down to 5... google them

that exact water valve there selling for 80$ish is 35$ google them

there some green house stores that carry grey t-stat 1 of them has a s.s. coil that can be stretched out to 20ish feet and only cost 35$ish google them

the hydro store carry cheap 15ish floats you can buy.

350 pondmaster for drip emitters 1 pump per plant so if you buy in bulk and look around I believe i can get for 60$ish DD's call for either a 1200 or 1800 per 4 plants so its ALMOST A WASH


you will also need a reservoir to hold ph adjusted r.o water with some air stones in it...
This will be connected to EACH container & will control water level And if your shooting for ph 5.8 then adjust that in reservoir,or play with it if your seeing flux.. NO NUTES IMHO in 3.5 days I dump them and start a fresh... The ph adjusted r.o water is there.
a. regulate water level
b. make up for water loss do to perspiration and condensation and evaporation... Imho the nutes are left behind and if not filled with r.o water they will become DANGEROUSLY HIGH... so if any thing the ppms are getting weaker each day BUT IN 3.5 days THERE CHANGED... HOW MUCH CAN 1 PLANT EAT OUT OF 50-60 GALLONS of nutes TOPPED OFF with r.o water in 3.5DAYS???

filling/flushing now its going to be easier in his somewhat...
Imho the best way around this as of now is to buy 1 pump that is connect to a hose and you either dump or fill with it...
Now imho bigger is faster so if you can dump and fill in 5-10 mins move onto next do same and repeat... whats difference

I remember reading it takes him like 2hrs to flush anyways.. This way is just more bobblin around then his,But again now you can run multiple strains and have each 1 harvesting at different times..

which brings me to perpetual harvest...
DD's boast of running these in 8wks x 6+ times a yr RIGHT?
Well he obviously has a veg room then,so why cant we??? Just run it differently..
to keep math easy will go with 8 per room
1.flower room
1.veg room
Now 8 week schedule right..
so why not introduce 1 plant a week into flowering/veg? this would allow even math 8 plants 8 weeks 1 plant per week harvesting..(keeping in mind you'll need rooted clone every wk as well)

MAIN BENEFITS to this: EVEN THOUGH OUR PLANT COUNT IS LOW... How about your product your allowed to have on you @ 1 time????
Have to believe DD's medical card doesn't allow for him to harvest 8+lbs x 4 @ 1 time!!!! so now you spread your harvest across weeks..




Just gave you.. MY FORMULA to cutting the recirculating out of DD's rdwc system

You'll see only thing I cant do differently /better is you have to check each container individually rather in a center reservoir...
BUT COME ON lol how many bitches can you grow when were talking trees....

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Veg
should be like this imho...

4 weeks drip in 1 gallon smart pot full of coco
1 1000w light horizontal
I drip to waste AGAIN CAUSE I MAKE MY OWN NUTES FOR PENNY'S ON THE DOLLAR.
This allows again for accurate ppm's and ph ALL THE WAY THRU..

4weeks in a dd's system for veg i like 18/6 or 20/4 so plant can relax after all 1 month in dd's system.. come on FUCKING TREE'S....
I like 3 lights down the middle hung vertically 2 blues on the outside and 1 red in the middle
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1st thing COCO MUST BE flushed, ph buffered, and soaked in a calmag bath @ 750ppms for 24hrs.
UNLESS YOU BUY THE EXPENSIVE BAGS OF CANNA OR EQUIVALENT 30$ish for 10gal of coco
or bale that will give you 20 gallons of coco and you have to prep for 10 $ish CHOICE IS YOURS...

I prefer over rock-wool and with smart pots roots are WAY FUCKING BIGGER & When it come time for the 4 weeks veg and on.You unroll the smartpot like a sock shake lightly to get any crumbs off lmao wont be much only a fucking rock hard root-ball.. And then place in the 3 gallon black pots like DD's use to use with the hole's u drill on bottom... filled with hydro-corn 3"ish and then coco ball placed on top of that.Then hydro-corn filled around and on top. Same as DD'S...

second just get an ebb table and connect fitting to the drain easy...

1 reservoir that you can add feed to check ppms and ph EVEN THOUGH THEY SHOULD STAY ABOUT SAME.. If you do like me and change this out every 48 hrs. and with only 1 1000k heat is not an issue so YOU SHOULDN'T need a float connected to r.o. ph adjusted water...

Now with the 4 wk VEG in dd's I like the Lowe's black boxes and yellow lids do a straight up DD's system no modifications...
might rethink pot size later if I feel I'm effecting the drip line/height bushyness of plant...

Again just add 1 plant per week and you will harvest 1 tree EVERY WEEK FOR LIFE....

NOW you could add a second flower room so you can have 2 trees a week allowing you to split the amps between both flowering rooms since lights are only on for 12 hrs a time giving you 2 TREES A WEEK FOR LIFE (IF YOUR LEGALLY ALLOWED)

OR YOU CAN HAVE 16 (IF YOUR LEGALLY ALLOWED) PER VEG/FLOWER giving you 2 TREES A WEEK FOR LIFE

OR COMBINATION OF THEM BOTH (IF LEGALLY ALLOWED) to have AS MANY AS YOU CAN CALCULATE... lol hope you get my point...


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I SAY LEGALLY allowed cause if you grow trees you get a BIG REWARD ITS ONLY GREED THAT MAKE A PERSON GO FOR MORE THEN (IF YOUR LEGALLY ALLOWED) and risk going to prison CHOICE IS YOUR'S
 

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Very good ideas. I agree with chrome, and woudl like to see this system in action. Who could resist 1 tree/week>?

:harvest::harvest::harvest::harvest::harvest::harvest::harvest:
 

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yeah I like the idea of self contained units

no way I could get around in a mpb room without killing myself and/or my plants

would like to hear/see more as well
 

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You could add a bulkhead fitting and 4" vert pipe with a glued cap on the bottom and removable black rubber cap on top, then you could check/adjust water without lifting the lid.

Thats what I have on my enclosed ebb flo. It works great. I can check pH while the water is full without lifting any plants and adjust with diluted solution as necessary.
 

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the water cooled link does not work. INdividually cooling each res woudl be the ticket.
 

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Oh yeah, I have one room now with two res's, and another with 3. It s a pain in the ass to dial them all in individually, as opposed to running everything off of one res.
 
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the water cooled link does not work. Individually cooling each res woudl be the ticket.
I fixed link..
Can't get it to load with the product, but that's the home page.
Look on homepage 1st product second row is the resivoir cooling package 299.95

THE PRODUCT'S I MENTIONED roughly 100$ lol fucking nute companies/hydrostores WILL FUCK YOU RIGHT OUT OF YOUR$$$$ IF YOU LET THEM

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You could add a bulkhead fitting and 4" vert pipe with a glued cap on the bottom and removable black rubber cap on top, then you could check/adjust water without lifting the lid.

Thats what I have on my enclosed ebb flo. It works great. I can check pH while the water is full without lifting any plants and adjust with diluted solution as necessary.
hi friend
here's a link for the man hole the install the threads for you...
http://www.tank-depot.com/product.aspx?id=1037

also check out all the tanks
there competly sealed
manufacture cuts all the holes threads all fitting YOU GET THEM READY TO GO

4GOT 2 MENTION

Each corner of the 40" x 40" tank have them add 3/4" female threads..
You can add a 3/4" male to pvc and run stick's of pvc in each corner connecting them at top and now you add cheap trellis fabric from hydro stores draped around your pvc sticks AND SHABANG!!! You now don't need to make metal cages...

Have all threads be female making all your parts male.
Reason = cheaper to fix a male part compared to fixing a male threaded part on your tank.. lol you would have to find a repair shop or mail it back BIG $$$$.. Where a male threade part is what 1$

Imho all threading that need to be done is for the man hole and the trellis stands
Because the airline 3/8" i.d is 1/2" o.d is a smooth 1/2" hole
imho just use 1 hole then use the plastic air diverter's inside the tank to supply the 4-8 micropore xl
AND the dripline you decide diameter,but is smooth

I would have them add 1 or 2 @ bottom for drainage you can always plug with tephlon tape and pvc plug just nice to have the bottom drain's

Imho The water level should be set by a float (I would drill yourself for acuracy and piece of mind)
also if you use the blk 3 galon buckets or the net pots with a lip MANUFACTURE WILL CUT THAT HOLE too...
 
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Oh yeah, I have one room now with two res's, and another with 3. It s a pain in the ass to dial them all in individually, as opposed to running everything off of one res.
friend I would just leave @ 5.5-5.8 ph and it should stay,but if not try this not cheap ,but guaranted...

dosing pump 129$ http://www.omnicontrols.com/detail.aspx?ID=13177

minicotroller 123$ http://www.omnicontrols.com/detail.aspx?ID=13241

with this setup you will have percise ph @ all times and you can now hook float up to r.o machine and let controller ad pump regulate ph.. Shit 260$ a plant might not be a bad idea to guarantee ph and not have to have a resivoir..

if using alot of r.o water check this new bitch out 1000 gpd hydro-logic evolution.. 640$
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130525501303&hlp=false
 
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Just got in from greenhouse. Man it's nut's in there. Shit is growing bonkers. It's war zone! Lot of pruning and trimin going on, trimin up lower branches so I can get around and have trees instead of bushes, got at least 4 months to go....UGH! I love it!
 
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Those are some Ideas there OF,

First off, IMVHO, DD's system is an RDWC if you take the R out of RDWC then you loose one key aspect to the system. Deep water culture is talked about in the hydroponics section, MPB and UC thread are for people who get the concept behind RDWC.

I will have 6 trees in 500 gal of water which means each tree gets 83.3 gal to live in. Think of it as a fish tank with a sump system, you are allowed roughly 1 inch of fish for 1 gal of water so if I had a 50 gal fish tank I could only put something like 2- 15 inchers and 3 - inch fish and the eco system is maxed out. when you add a sump system with something like an extra 20 gals to the tank you can now add more fish to the same 50 gal tank above, even though the 50 gal tank holds no more water there is more water in the total eco system and will allow more fish to thrive.

Now if you only have a 45 gal Deep water cultivation tank than that all the water you plant will ever live in is a 45 gal eco system. With my main res at 300 gal and my trees allowed to live in 83.3 gal eco system each that is almost double that of a 45 gal single tank DWC system, and therefore the plants will thrive and grow that much better than ones sitting in their own pools their entire life. Don't get me wrong DWC is a great style of growing but a stand alone chilled DWC bucket is not and MPB, yes they both have the ability to grow trees, but so does soil.

On another note I have 6 plants now that are eating 70 gal a night. If I didn't have an extra main res on the system the eco system in the roots would be completely different and no they would not consume that much solution.
 
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thank you for your comments giddeon guess what I'm hearing from you is I need a bigger boat water storage tank.. was looking @ the 135gal that breaks down to roughly 85galons if you fill it 8-10"..

Thats awsome to know now I'll buy bigger and we can test between your rwdc and my dwc lol same cat being skinned just diffferent names..

Even in your comments You didn't dispute anything I said minus My tanks are to small correct?

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see somthing we can agree on.. lol
just feel there a little more work then a central resivior,but imho the reward of 1-2 trees a week is worth it and who doesn't like multiple strains @ 1 time..

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1. I think if you veg longer you will get a taller tree larger yeild.
Don't agree... Taller tree yes, larger yield don't think so.. 4 ft mayb 5 ft MAX depending strain with these bushs. too big = too much junk or larf i think you guys call it in the center of these bushs

2. I think you can leave the recirculating out of his dwc and then you can run as many strains as you want and @ different times of flower MAKES IT MORE perpetual...And YOU DON'T NEED SECOND BUCKET UNDERNEATH TO GIVE YOU HEIGHT FOR GRAVITY RETURN allowing for the tree to get taller.AND all that plumbing push and drawing IS NO LONGER NEEDED!!!
think i cleared this one up in my last post.. and as for differnet strains, i think you should know your strains and be very comfortable with your nute pack before you incorporate them together in your system.. But you can grow a few different strains each go in these buckets, you just need to know your strains and grow the ones together that can tolerate the same nutes.. (heavy, med, or low feed).

3. I think you can double stack your 1000k and make a 8' wall of lights to go with your taller bitch
I agree with the double stack ON SOME STRAINS or mayb an overhead reflector. some strains just simply have a larger stretch so when you flip at 22"-26" (which I think should be the max height you flip no matter what strain you running in these buckets)you end up with a 5 ft+ tree.. The recon was like this so i believe double stacking definetly helped yield. As for your bigger 8ft bitch, I think thats way to big for an INDOOR plant. A 8ft tall bush would be 8 + feet wide with vertical lighting like this.. A 1k only penetrates 4ft MAX. and personally i think when your plants get as bushy as these do in this system the 1k really only penetates 2.5 to mayb 3 ft max. so again your 8 ft bush would have a rediculous amount of larf.. There is a reason these bushs are only 4ft tall.

4. pondmaster has a air pump same specs as highbow but only 1 3rd of cost
word. go with what you can afford or what your comfortable will get the job done correctly. Have a regen blower on the way now :)

5.they make boat water holding tanks.completely sealed and they install all your fitting for around 200$ per box this way you don't need a piece of wood over a reservoir and you can get a big container to go with DD's new drip line theory..
Ya i didnt feel comfortable with a 2x4 bar holding my res up either. Jus hate the idea of wood and water.. but theres plenty of other ways to support big trees in those res's

6. diy nutes.. I make my own so I can dump my containers every 3.5 days for Penny's of what you store bought nute guys spend.. This also allows me to confidently get ride of recirculating part in the system.. Cause how can a plant eat 50+gallons of nutes in 3.5 days IT CANT....
6 plants will easily drink 150 gal of water in full bloom... Mad props if you can get great results with diy nutes. Im interested in this area also however, at the moment, it would be another large project/expierement to get everything dialed in exactly to how some of these bottle nutes are.. and I can't take a chance of killing a crop because I didnt mix all the correct chemicals, derrived from the right place, at the right ratios. I understand organic soil and not having to use anything from a bottle to achieve amazing results. However RDWC is a little different and those bottled chemicals really do have things dialed in to grow these trees hydroponically. With that being said anyone who knows the recipes and ratios and where I can get a fully organic pack with all the additives and boosters I need that will work in RDWC I would love to know
 
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