Which breeder/seedbank has the best representation of US genetics available?

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UK member here about to put an order in. Looking for the best of the kushes you've got over there.

Of all the breeders/seedbanks, who would you recommend, and why?

What's the difference between Raskals genetics and those of cali connections? Do they work together or what? What about DNA, Reserva privada or TGA?

And which of these are available to the European market?

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I don't think TGA has much, if anything, as far as Kush strains go, but I can recommend Vortex highly. One of the dominant phenos is about as frosty as a plant can get, and as sativas go, it finishes quickly -- though for me it always went about 10 weeks.

As a middle aged guy, I can also affirm it has some excellent Nature's Viagra effects.
 
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Raskal's seeds are definitely a great way to go. He has been working on his projects for quite some time now, and all his genetics are verified. He has proven to make high quality crosses, of highly prized genetics. Him and Cali Connection have absolutely worked together before and they do share their genetics. So Cali Connection would also be a good source for seeds.

I have seen some very good results from TGA strains. I have never worked with their genetics, so I cannot personally vouch for their gear. As for DNA and Reserva Privada, they are one in the same. Like Sensi Seeds started a White line which is supposed to be the cream of the crop from their stables, DNA put forth Reserva Privada as their exclusive gear. While originally DNA was from the states they were working in Amsterdam for a considerable amount of time. They too have put out some very good strains, I would lean toward their older works.
 
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You'll see a lot of people bad-mouthing DNA/Reserva Privada saying that "they don't have the real fire", but most of that is a bunch of pot snobs with the usual "my gear is better than your gear" undertones to their posts. They have some very good genetics that measure up well against other breeders, I can tell you from experience. That's not to say that the CC/Raskal/TGA gear is not awesome - it is. (Also from experience). But, it's not the only good stuff out there. If money is an issue, DNA/Reserva Privada is a very respectable alternative.
 
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Teehee US genetics, lookin for kushes. Good luck. Might want to try the Hindu Kush valley. Peace GS
 
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Thanks for the info. Interesting to hear more general views about the scene over there... According to some, Raskal's stuff was/is the holy grail... not so it seems.

By the way, money - or saving it - isn't a priority, not at all.
I want some killer strains on my next run... MR. Nice's SSH and some genetics from UK fellas called ugorg are already on the list, now I want some flavours from your side of the pool to throw in with them and see how they stand up.

I should have said in my opener that I've already done Reserva's Headband and it's the best strain I've run so far, which is why I want to explore these further.

Greenthumb is interesting. Haven't heard much about him/them. Any more info on the lineage/origin of their genetics?

Thanks again for the help
 
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I have run the jtr from TGA and it was very good in my opinion. I am going to try some cc gear this run and hope for the best, alien og and alien bubba. but subs gear is great for sure.
 
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there is always one person to laugh when people say US genetics and talk about OG and chems and what not. i dont know why people must always comment on it like they have to one up the info or something lol.....to me they are US strains even though techincally no strains are indigenous to north american...ok, now that i got that outta the way..
here is stuff i personally have worked with that i can tell you for sure is gold....
Dr GreenThumb ~ Ghost OG Kush, chem#4
OGRaskal ~ white fire, white urkle, white master, fire alien, purple alien, straw x18
Riot seeds ~ original og kush
top dawg ~ white D, stardawg , bubba 13
Bodhi ~ pretty much anything if you can get your hands on them lol

those are what iv popped and ran and can honestly tell you is fire without a doubt. hope you find what you are looking for brotha and good luck on the hunt. my best karma ~SMF~
 
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Can't wait till someone starts DNA testing these things. Would bet very little Kush is found in these California "Kush" strains. I am not saying they aren't worth smoking, just that I doubt they have much to do with the Kush region. There should be a classification for designer plants. I would put them in there. I suppose that would be similar to hybrids, but I do not feel even hybrids cover these plants. His question was about US genetics and he wanted Kush. Apologies to any I may have offended. Peace GS
 
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there is always one person to laugh when people say US genetics and talk about OG and chems and what not. i dont know why people must always comment on it like they have to one up the info or something lol.....to me they are US strains even though techincally no strains are indigenous to north american...ok, now that i got that outta the way..
here is stuff i personally have worked with that i can tell you for sure is gold....
Dr GreenThumb ~ Ghost OG Kush, chem#4
OGRaskal ~ white fire, white urkle, white master, fire alien, purple alien, straw x18
Riot seeds ~ original og kush
top dawg ~ white D, stardawg , bubba 13
Bodhi ~ pretty much anything if you can get your hands on them lol

those are what iv popped and ran and can honestly tell you is fire without a doubt. hope you find what you are looking for brotha and good luck on the hunt. my best karma ~SMF~

Thanks mate,that's exactly what I'm looking for.

I'd just like to say that as far as the kush thing goes, I'm not ignorant. I wasn't and am not asking about strains which are indigenous to the USA, or for Kushes in their true sense.

I know Kush has become a term to describe the nicest weed over there, but has become and one used to describe pretty much anything now since the name/term became trendy.

That's the exact reason I posted this to be honest; To see what strains are representative of those flavours you fellas on that side of the pond rate so highly and which aren't.

Skunkmasterflex, are all those strains available to me here in the UK?If so, where from bud. Thanks again for your time.
 
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Stay away from Cali Connection Gear Swerves attempt at pollen chucking has done nothing but earn him a bad name. I can't wait for his next release " Auto Flower Og " or " Hermie Og ". Go with Rascal or Divine Genetics. On a side note there is a Lab in Cali that is mapping the Genetics of OG. They have 9 different Cuts they are working with. They have a plant biologist that is coding each gene that is responsible for trichomes, terpins, and yeild. They claim that they will have the truest Og on the planet. They are super secretive and you need a password to send to their email and then they send you a phone number. You call the number and a guy takes your info and then someone calls you back to find out what your business is with them.
 
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Why not try some of jimmynitz pisces genetics.
they have alot of great cross's with cali genetics.
I havent tried them out myself
 
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I can't remember who it was, but I think it was Elite. He was posting like he was a breeder with hundreds of plants but he had three lights in his living room and was just making random crosses to elite clones and selling them for $$$.

I would read the grow reports from people who are not growing for the first time and see what they have to say.

Greenthumb Danny is someone who has grown original clones and seed stock made with same clones. I would look around at members threads like that who could give you an honest opinion. Otherwise you might have someone saying something is the best thing since sliced bread, but have nothing to compare it to.

That's what I do.
 
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Shantibaba, Howard Marks, Nevil. They worked the best Cali genetics and got them here in Cali before the same strains they worked got shipped back to Cali just to be back bred with themselves only not intentionally. So the situation in Cali is a weird one just like in Jamaica where they grow White Widow. Is there really any true Jamaican? Is there any true Cali? Any true New York? Answer is no. On a side note OgRascal is an American and last I checked he breeds a native strain called Og. Me and my family call it Dog Bud.
 
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Shantibaba, Howard Marks, Nevil. They worked the best Cali genetics and got them here in Cali before the same strains they worked got shipped back to Cali just to be back bred with themselves only not intentionally. So the situation in Cali is a weird one just like in Jamaica where they grow White Widow. Is there really any true Jamaican? Is there any true Cali? Any true New York? Answer is no. On a side note OgRascal is an American and last I checked he breeds a native strain called Og. Me and my family call it Dog Bud.

You seem to have some facts confused, Howard Marks never bred Cannabis, he was possibly the most successful smuggler of hash and marijuana ever. Marks has since allowed Shanti to use the alias Mr. Nice as the company name but this does not make Howard Marks a breeder. Shanti is the original breeder of White Widow and he created it towards the mid nineties while starting up Greenhouse seeds with Neville and Arjan. As far as I have found Shanti was not using any stock from America and the strain was definitely bred in Europe. I don't believe Shanti ever did any work in the states. Same with Neville, his famous SSH also was created while starting up Greenhouse, and he never bred out of America. Neville was actually quite responsible for bringing much of the foreign seed stock to Europe, he actually traveled the world over looking for the best seeds to work with.

The strains that originally made its way to Europe from Cali were Skunk, Haze and Northern Lights, and these strains still make up much of the genetic backgrounds of strains all over the world. While not American landrace strains, those three are distinctly American varieties. Jamaica at this point probably does actually have landrace strains. Enough generations of specific genetics have been grown in Jamaica to make them uniquely Jamaican even though the original seed stock is from other parts of the world.

As for OG, well this topic is just kind of a mess. It is a variety that definitely came out of America but it is near impossible to trace its original history so the genetics for it could be from anywhere. Not to mention OG comes directly out of the Chem line of genetics, which are genes originally discovered in America. But OG is getting harder to trace as just attaching the name OG to any strain brings its value up, so cash croppers will sometimes add the moniker to strains that have no genuine OG genetics in them. Not only that but there are several varieties of verified OG that come from different sources, and while all similar in traits, each is still unique. Then there is the constant out-crossing the verified OG's even further confusing the issue. Raskal is using a verified cut he has had for many years at this point, and his crosses seem to be of premium quality and I have heard little negative talk about his strains.

I hope this helped clear up some confusion.
 
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You seem to have some facts confused, Howard Marks never bred Cannabis, he was possibly the most successful smuggler of hash and marijuana ever. Marks has since allowed Shanti to use the alias Mr. Nice as the company name but this does not make Howard Marks a breeder. Shanti is the original breeder of White Widow and he created it towards the mid nineties while starting up Greenhouse seeds with Neville and Arjan. As far as I have found Shanti was not using any stock from America and the strain was definitely bred in Europe. I don't believe Shanti ever did any work in the states. Same with Neville, his famous SSH also was created while starting up Greenhouse, and he never bred out of America. Neville was actually quite responsible for bringing much of the foreign seed stock to Europe, he actually traveled the world over looking for the best seeds to work with.

The strains that originally made its way to Europe from Cali were Skunk, Haze and Northern Lights, and these strains still make up much of the genetic backgrounds of strains all over the world. While not American landrace strains, those three are distinctly American varieties. Jamaica at this point probably does actually have landrace strains. Enough generations of specific genetics have been grown in Jamaica to make them uniquely Jamaican even though the original seed stock is from other parts of the world.

As for OG, well this topic is just kind of a mess. It is a variety that definitely came out of America but it is near impossible to trace its original history so the genetics for it could be from anywhere. Not to mention OG comes directly out of the Chem line of genetics, which are genes originally discovered in America. But OG is getting harder to trace as just attaching the name OG to any strain brings its value up, so cash croppers will sometimes add the moniker to strains that have no genuine OG genetics in them. Not only that but there are several varieties of verified OG that come from different sources, and while all similar in traits, each is still unique. Then there is the constant out-crossing the verified OG's even further confusing the issue. Raskal is using a verified cut he has had for many years at this point, and his crosses seem to be of premium quality and I have heard little negative talk about his strains.

I hope this helped clear up some confusion.

I am here for this kind of information thank you. I must say though my boys bring home the different Ogs from the Collectives and the bud is very similar to the Dogbud me and my friends grew back in the late 80s.
 
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I am here for this kind of information thank you. I must say though my boys bring home the different Ogs from the Collectives and the bud is very similar to the Dogbud me and my friends grew back in the late 80s.

Well as I stated the history behind OG is clouded and only getting harder to determine, so it very well could be related to what you grew in the 80's.
 
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ding ding... we have a winner ! what was the chicken b4 the kush egg ? bagseed from 80's comm weed comin outta the pacific north west area ?
 
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I'd have to say Dr. Greenthumb. His S1 OG, Bubba, Chemdog, ECSD, Trainwreck are spot on AND I have never had a hermie flower
 
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Dr. Greenthumb, Raskal, Devine are all A+ sources. Had great success with Dr. Gr. C99 & OGbeing some of my favs. TGA does have a "kush" derived strain called plushberry. I have not grown it out, but hear great things about it, great smell and flavor. All TGA gear I've run has been top notch... Vortex, Void, Jillybean, JTR & JC 2 has been fantastic.
Just my .02.
 
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