Why I don't recommend autoflowers to new growers

[Galgrows]

I suspect that, in general, commercial growers prefer clones. You know what you're getting, both genetically and in terms of grow duration. Variation is the enemy in production processes.

I see that mostly being used when i search for farms, it makes alot sense to do so.

 

[Galgrows]

No idea what you mean by commercial grower. A friend of mine has 4 farms in 2 states and works in the legal industry. He's not wasting time with clones for supplying customers, I can tell you that.

But were talking the farms themselves using the clones not selling them for customers

 

[ArtfulCodger]

No idea what you mean by commercial grower. A friend of mine has 4 farms in 2 states and works in the legal industry. He's not wasting time with clones for supplying customers, I can tell you that.

Commercial growers grow for sale. Like I said, it's just what I suspect, and only in general. No doubt there are commercial growers working from seed. Why would clones waste time? You get to veg quicker.

 

[ChaseH]

Commercial growers grow for sale. Like I said, it's just what I suspect, and only in general. No doubt there are commercial growers working from seed.

What's the point in speculation? Just to write something?

 

[ChaseH]

Clones have their uses. Big supply isn't it.

 

[Grownsince95]

Most indoor commercial growers will tell you their mother room is the most important room in the facility. Outdoor hemp farms grow from seed. Dispensary pot nowadays is 90% clones

 

[ChaseH]

I suspect that, in general, commercial growers prefer clones. You know what you're getting, both genetically and in terms of grow duration. Variation is the enemy in production processes.

Clones are not exact replicas of the mother. Each branch has mutations known as races. Clones taken from the upper third of the plant have more mutations than middle, and the middle has slightly less mutations than the bottom. Each branch is a little different. I have a scholarly article about it somewhere. Pretty interesting. The margins of profit in the legal industry is very very slim. Seeds outperform clones, that's a fact. To stay afloat, it's just dumb to rely on clones because they are slower, and varied. Some clones do better than others. That's why so many legal operations dont last long. There is the ones that simply outperform them as their profits dry up and they can no longer operate without hemorrhaging money. Eventually they go under. To see one in business for 7, 10 years is rare. And the ones that do, dont farm clones. But yeah there is the relatively new operations that wont be here 6 years from.now doing clones. Clones are important for breeding projects, and that's what screws them up. They try and do 2 things at once and eventually die off.

 

[Grownsince95]

Clones are not exact replicas of the mother. Each branch has mutations known as races. Clones taken from the upper third of the plant have more mutations than middle, and the middle has slightly less mutations than the bottom. I have a scholarly article about it somewhere. Pretty interesting. The margins of profit in the legal industry is very very slim. Seeds outperform clones, that's a fact. To stay afloat, it's just dumb to rely on clones because they are slower, and varied. Some clones do better than others. That's why so many legal operations dont last long. There is the ones that simply outperform them as their profits dry up and they can no longer operate without hemorrhaging money. Eventually they go under. To see one in business for 7, 10 years is rare. And the ones that do, dont farm clones.

You might be confusing somaclonal variation in tissue culture or somatic mutation in clones.

Be cool if you could find that scholarly article it sounds interesting

 

[ChaseH]

Most indoor commercial growers will tell you their mother room is the most important room in the facility. Outdoor hemp farms grow from seed. Dispensary pot nowadays is 90% clones

That's true for seed companies. I think you got mixed up there. I'm talking about marijuana in quantity.

 

[ArtfulCodger]

What's the point in speculation? Just to write something?

Lots of other threads to read if you don't like mine.

 

[ChaseH]

You might be confusing somaclonal variation in tissue culture or somatic mutation in clones.

Be cool if you could find that scholarly article it sounds interesting

No I'm not confused. It's well known in gardening about these races.

 

[ChaseH]

Lots of other threads to read if you don't like mine.

It's not about like or dislike, I dont judge. I just was questioning why speculation is important to you.

 

[Grownsince95]

That's true for seed companies. I think you got mixed up there. I'm talking about marijuana in quantity.

Not mixed up at all. I know what you're talking about but you're mistaken.

Only someone who never grew at scale before would ever fill a warehouse full of plants with anything but clones. It's like asking to fail to do it with seeds.

 

[ChaseH]

Be cool if you could find that scholarly article it sounds interesting

I will look real quick to see if I saved it. Or have it in my history.

 

[ChaseH]

Not mixed up at all. I know what you're talking about but you're mistaken.

Only someone who never grew at scale before would ever fill a warehouse full of plants with anything but clones. It's like asking to fail to do it with seeds.

polyhybrid seeds yeah. Fail. I'm not talking about generic high variation varieties

 

[ChaseH]

Found it, sort of a side topic on mutations I was looking into. You can learn about what I'm talking about here.
@Grownsince95
Accumulation of somatic mutations leads to genetic mosaicism in cannabis" by Adamek et al., published in The Plant Genome in 2022

It doesn't specifically say "races" but it's what we called it before deep sequencing confirmed intraplant genetic diversity of different regions of the plant. But since I am not worth listening to and scholarly articles are more interesting, I will leave the experts to chat without my disruptive commentary. Excuse me for interrupting.

 

[Halloweed]

Please don't give up with trying to clone. Just one plant can give you dozens of clones so when your ready we can help. It takes abit of time and practice but you can do it, if i can you sure can. And keep researching the how to clone stuff.

Thank you. I'm sure I'll need help. Check out some vids on YouTube lol. I need a visualization to learn things better.

 

[ChaseH]

Thank you. I'm sure I'll need help. Check out some vids on YouTube lol. I need a visualization to learn things better.

If you learn that way your survival rate will be lower. Just follow my basic advice and let's hope it doesn't have the skunkmans touch in it or your success will be cut by about a third no matter how hard you try.

 

[Grownsince95]

polyhybrid seeds yeah. Fail. I'm not talking about generic high variation varieties

So link up the growers here who you say are doing this work. More true, genetically distinct IBLs are exactly what we need more of. I totally agree that the current state of cannabis is a genetic mess. There's no such thing as true F1s anymore. It's all kissing cousins.

Found it, sort of a side topic on mutations I was looking into. You can learn about what I'm talking about here.
@Grownsince95
Accumulation of somatic mutations leads to genetic mosaicism in cannabis" by Adamek et al., published in The Plant Genome in 2022

It doesn't specifically say "races" but it's what we called it before deep sequencing confirmed intraplant genetic diversity of different regions of the plant. But since I am not worth listening to and scholarly articles are more interesting, I will leave the experts to chat without my disruptive commentary. Excuse me for interrupting.

Thank you but I'm all read up on somaclonal mutation that's why I mentioned it before.

 

[Grownsince95]

If you learn that way your survival rate will be lower. Just follow my basic advice and let's hope it doesn't have the skunkmans touch in it or your success will be cut by about a third no matter how hard you try.

Man, if you just adjusted the way you approached people with advice a little I bet a lot more people would be open to hearing what you have to say.

That skunkman thread really got up your ass though.