Eriophyid Mites or "Hemp Russet Mites" in Colorado

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Had some guys with them I work with. This is why they are gone..

Preventables in Veg.. only in VEG! Floramite every 14 days

In flower:

Einstein Oil Every 2 days until week 4 of flower Alternating Mighty Wash/Coco Wet and pure sm-90 every 4th day.


If spotted treat twice. Once to kill adults, once to kill eggs. This needs to be done in a 24 hour window so that the mite cannot reproduce.

If found in flower..

Mighty Wash first day spotted... Monterey Insect Killer w/ Spinosad the very next day... Continue Neem and Sm90 sprays until week 4. Discontinue all except the mighty wash for the last 4 weeks. If sprayed near harvest, rinse buds with pure h20 with plenty of fans.

Hope this helps..

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Green Mopho had them and, if I recall, dealt them a deadly blow.
I didn't watch the vid, but THEY STERILIZE THE COCO, or we'd have a lot more bugs than Hemp Russet Mites. I use Canna too, with great success.

I have an issue with people who keep running around claiming the Cali people brought PM here, or root aphids come from Roots Organic Soil....


All those pests are here, always have been, always will be.... over 80% of this state is National Forest, plenty of mold and bugs in the forest already, nobody brought that shit from Cali, or Sri Lanka!
Common sense on the internets? I couldn't agree with you more strongly than I agree with you right now.
 
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Green Mopho had them and, if I recall, dealt them a deadly blow.

Common sense on the internets? I couldn't agree with you more strongly than I agree with you right now.


I saw russet mites. Hit them with Mighty wash first off. Dipped everything in fertilome Triple Action after the rinse. All corpses now. Just keeping an eye on things to see if the RM's rebound. Hope they are gone but time will tell.

Newsflash Bud. I did get Root Aphids from Roots Organics soil. I got fungus gnats from using FF more than once. It may have been the retailers fault, or not. I didn't always shop at the same place. Could have been my fault. It wasn't. You don't know that, but I have learned from my mistakes and am capable of vectoring my issues to the source of a problem. These things are all over Coco and all over Coco grows.... This is not a tin foil hat scenario. Russet mites are a major problem at the source and so, if the only thing you brought in your clean room was Canna Coco and then you see these, what then? Would you suspect the product could have contained a living pest to take hold in a fresh garden? We all know these problems are STD's that can be avoided with care. I find it very interesting that you see these popping up in similar gardens, using similar products, at the same time, when most people with indoor gardens have never seen anything like this in the last decade or beyond. With waves of new growers and giant grows come waves of pests for sure. I agree with you that Canna is great Coco and PM is everywhere, just don't agree writing off everyone that has reported problems with some batches of products or manufacturers when there is plenty of evidence that this has and does happen.
I hope that sounds like common sense.
 
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I saw russet mites. Hit them with Mighty wash first off. Dipped everything in fertilome Triple Action after the rinse. All corpses now. Just keeping an eye on things to see if the RM's rebound. Hope they are gone but time will tell.

Newsflash Bud. I did get Root Aphids from Roots Organics soil. I got fungus gnats from using FF more than once. It may have been the retailers fault, or not. I didn't always shop at the same place. Could have been my fault. It wasn't. You don't know that, but I have learned from my mistakes and am capable of vectoring my issues to the source of a problem. These things are all over Coco and all over Coco grows.... This is not a tin foil hat scenario. Russet mites are a major problem at the source and so, if the only thing you brought in your clean room was Canna Coco and then you see these, what then? Would you suspect the product could have contained a living pest to take hold in a fresh garden? We all know these problems are STD's that can be avoided with care. I find it very interesting that you see these popping up in similar gardens, using similar products, at the same time, when most people with indoor gardens have never seen anything like this in the last decade or beyond. With waves of new growers and giant grows come waves of pests for sure. I agree with you that Canna is great Coco and PM is everywhere, just don't agree writing off everyone that has reported problems with some batches of products or manufacturers when there is plenty of evidence that this has and does happen.
I hope that sounds like common sense.

I don't know your grow, but they steam sterilize coco at the source, so it is STERILE. How could a fungus gnat survice being boiled? My bugs come in from outside, but I grow in an out building in a forrest. My place, my own special problems. Like I said, my main argument is they boil the coco... so, tell me how bugs survive that?
 
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Root Aphids from Roots Organic as well...sucks too cause i told everyone up and down id never had aphids from it. STILL LOVE IT THOUGH! only happend with 1 batch this summer
 
altimood

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I say sterile bags COULD get infected in shipping. The bags, after all, have holes in them. Eriophyid. Mites are a huge problem in coconut industry countries. They are microscopic and could easily be found in shipping containers of all sorts. I think its easily POSSIBLE and likely and unfortunate for the guy who ends up getting that particular mite. I'm stoked on mighty wash. Its helping me survive. Its not looking like a wipe out at this time. MIGHTY WASH does split spider mites in half, too. They look like they've been hit with a samurai sword.
 
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I don't know your grow, but they steam sterilize coco at the source, so it is STERILE. How could a fungus gnat survice being boiled? My bugs come in from outside, but I grow in an out building in a forrest. My place, my own special problems. Like I said, my main argument is they boil the coco... so, tell me how bugs survive that?

Their sterilization process could be lacking. Or they get in after sterilization. Either way, I wouldn't rule it out. I've seen fgs come from media that was supposedly heat treated MANY times over the years.

I've been growing in CO since '93 and until the last 2 years the only pest issue I've ever seen were spider mites and fungus gnats.

While PM is everywhere, it is not all the same strain of PM. The strain that affects mj plants was most likely brought here on clones. Same with root aphids.
 
Green Mopho

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Canna coco is pretty clean when it leaves the packing facility. Then it sits outside in the parking lot in the rain all summer in front of the grow store, right next to the Fox Farm and Roots Organics.

For coco, I'm with Mr Dank, I use the compressed Botanicare bails. I also do first watering with Bayer Complete, cuz there is shit still in there. Don't blame Cali, blame the grow stores.

Green Mopho had them and, if I recall, dealt them a deadly blow.

Yea, they are evil fuckers. I don't know where they came from, but they reportedly can survive on seeds, and the first time I saw them was on some small vegglings that I grew from seed. Hops are grown in the Colorado piedmont, and they could also easily have spread from the hops fields, since its all in the Cannabaceae family. Or like Spleefman said, maybe it came from ditchweed or victory hemp growing all over the Midwest.

I know that Hemp Russet Mites are closely related to Tomato Russet Mites, they are all Eriophyid mites. My tomatoes had some upward curling this year, and my outdoor Deep Chunks got pretty ripped up by the russet mites. I saw a buddy's outdoor garden that was totally ravaged by russet mites. His tomatoes were all but dead.

As far as getting rid of them in a large scale grow, good luck. I say just burn the building down. :mad0233: But if you are growing for an MMC, you should just do that anyway...

All the essential oil products don't work, including rosemary, lavender, neem, etc. Don't bother with Azamax, SNS-217, SM-90, etc. Abamectin in veg will kill em and their eggs. In bloom, I used SAFER Liquid Sulphur twice, 3 days apart, then I did a cycle of Mighty Wash/Power Wash. No trace of em at harvest and no nasty sulphur taste either. I have been checking on a regular basis with a microscope and have become super anal about spotting these fuckers. I think I'm going to just spray liquid sulphur the first week or two of bloom on a regular basis as a preventative instead of overusing Abamectin, so long as I don't actively see them.

More people than you think have em and have no idea what they are!
 
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I never had spring tails or fungus gnats till I started using moist bagged coco. I'm sure the coco is steam cleaned, but after the steam cleaning and before it is bagged up, I'm sure the critters have no problems making their way into the coco
 
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Homeland Security officials acknowledge making mistakes and say they are now working to step up agricultural inspections at border checkpoints, airports and seaports.


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The effect of the exodus was profound. One East Coast port director told a congressional investigator that she was left without a single agriculture inspector. An airport technician in Bangor, Maine, said there wasn't one within 50 miles for two years.


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Government officials now acknowledge the problems and say they began taking corrective steps after Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California threatened in 2008 to propose a bill that would move inspectors back to the USDA and increase their numbers.


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Critics in Congress say serious damage has already been done. Sen. Daniel Akaka, a Hawaii Democrat and member of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security, said the improvements aren't happening fast enough. He's asked the Government Accountability Office to reopen an investigation.


"When change like this happens, you hope people get it right the first time," said Rep. Dennis Cardoza, a California Democrat who also investigated the problems. "But if they don't, it's not them who pay the price. It's society that does."
 
cannabeans

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what happens when...

can someone explain or have pics of these buggers when they "take over" a plant. what happens to the plant. i dont have any experience with them.
 
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can someone explain or have pics of these buggers when they "take over" a plant. what happens to the plant. i dont have any experience with them.

I know of many folks that have run into these critters. They made it into some gardens I occasionally visit. All I can say is they are devastating, and very difficult but not impossible to get rid of.

For the people I knew that had it, sterilizing rooms/equipment, cutting new moms and getting rid of every single plant was what did it. Wettable sulphur was used on the new clones and they have been gone for about 1.5 years.

I'd rather have any other pest. Without a doubt.

The obvious signs are upward leaf curl and the bronze tinge

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cannabeans

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saw the original post

i was thinking of a picture of the entire plant infested. not a close up.
thanks again.
 
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cannabeans

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thanks green mopho

i have definatly never had that..... thank goodness!
 
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In my experience they go from bottom of plant to top but I guess that's not always the case. Nice pick GM. Looks like my wasted garbage. Ugghh
 
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