More Evidence Proving 'Dubbya' was 'Worst President Ever!'

[sky high]

I know nothing about "bitcoin", nor have I used the service/etc. Not sure what yer point is there, if any.

The link is no "hidden" dig. It's factual info that shows how the system can run on a deficit by design, even when folks are playing truthfully. This data doesn't even take into account those individuals who may choose to better themselves at the expense of others by not paying their fair share of taxes on their earnings, no matter what task they may have completed to receive those earnings.

good luck out there, folks.

 

[SoCal 420]

It's A personal dig at people that work off the grid or don't pay "Tax" by the definition that you have decided... You have expressed your dislike on what "I" pay or don't pay tax wise on many occasions as I'm sure people have seen and I could care less. If you "Like" the fact that you pay what you believe is you're fair share than why don't you just be "Happy" with yourself and give up your personal criticism of those that feel they are being gypped and get on with you're own life instead of preaching how people should live theirs... Be all you can be and stop dictating to others what or how they should be and you will have A better life for that alone...

 

[Bluzboy]

Sorry but I gotta blow a big fat hole in your theory; our federal govt has created many industries, only the most famous examples came from the space program. Moreover, to give a more specific example from industry, the Navy helped subsidize America's manufacturing of semiconductor microchips from the very beginning. At first, the Navy itself was responsible for purchasing some 80 percent of all microprocessors made in the United States. This allowed manufacturers to ramp up production and drop the price, and ultimately make microprocessors the foundation of our modern world. There are many, many more examples like this...

Finally, if you think that the Space X program isn't absolutely crammed full of tech originally developed by or for Federally funded programs, you need a serious education. Space X is riding the taxpayer coattails much more than their 'independent, private' funding might have you believe!

I agree about US government has aided in development of technology and a lot of industry but I do not believe government was intended to aid and develop the support of failed financial service industries or large supposed "too large to fail" investment banks or some hedge fund Wall Street Industry. The industry and technology you mention is tangible. I think the US industry and creative work and achievement ethic have been traded in for "get rich quick" schemes/illusions created by intangible industries in finance and investment who deal in selling the shuffling of paper in a international crap shoot and call it GNP when its really just "paper tulip bulbs" of no value or purpose than to make very rich people richer. When your banking system thinks itself in the "product" business instead of the "service" business you got real values problems that are based in avarice with hubris and not very good technological, social, or cultural accomplishment it just seems to me. I grew up around a lot of Americans who thought it was more important to accomplish something in ways technologically, socially, and culturally that benefited "all" rather than just "themselves" or for getting rich. I admire that form of American spirit the best, the one that involves "we" instead of "me". I believe a founding document reads and starts off "We the people" not "Me the people".
The Bluzboy

 

[sky high]

It's A personal dig at people that work off the grid or don't pay "Tax" by the definition that you have decided... You have expressed your dislike on what "I" pay or don't pay tax wise on many occasions as I'm sure people have seen and I could care less. If you "Like" the fact that you pay what you believe is you're fair share than why don't you just be "Happy" with yourself and give up your personal criticism of those that feel they are being gypped and get on with you're own life instead of preaching how people should live theirs... Be all you can be and stop dictating to others what or how they should be and you will have A better life for that alone...

How ironic it is that such a directive for a "better life" would come from the very person who has started the multiple threads here (and ONLY political threads..NO grow threads at all) with the specific intent of attacking and whining constantly about how rough it is...or how bad "The One' is making it for you, all the while braggarting about how "God" gives you the right to screw the rest of us. (you know....the lowly "company men"..of whom, I'm sure, there are many here).

Why can' YOU just be happy being the tax dodger you proudly claim to be and quit whining about a system you don't even begin to help fund?

Kudos the bluzboy for the tag of "we" instead of "me". That says it all right there.

 

[Bluzboy]

So voting for the other guy might have changed the tax situation?? I'm confused...lol

Your stats prove the middle class is going into thin air, as far as your 55% up to 70% of fed taxes being from the top 10%. They also make shittons more money, shouldn't they be paying 70% of the taxes? They have more than 70% of the money...

Rich people did real good in the sixties before and after when JFK got the high tier tax rates to drop from 70 to 50 percent, They were 2 percent of the population then and they(rich/wealthy elites) owned about 35 to 40 percent of all the wealth in the country. Now that same 2 percent owns over 95 percent of all the wealth in America. Historically, repeatedly, when you have that much imbalance in wealth, you end up with a class or civil war that either leads to dictatorship or extreme Chavez style socialism. I think a lot of elites and wealthy are smug and indifferent to those historical facts both economical and political to their own chagrin.
BB

 

[SoCal 420]

How ironic it is that such a directive for a "better life" would come from the very person who has started the multiple threads here (and ONLY political threads..NO grow threads at all) with the specific intent of attacking and whining constantly about how rough it is...or how bad "The One' is making it for you, all the while braggarting about how "God" gives you the right to screw the rest of us. (you know....the lowly "company men"..of whom, I'm sure, there are many here).

Why can' YOU just be happy being the tax dodger you proudly claim to be and quit whining about a system you don't even begin to help fund?

Kudos the bluzboy for the tag of "we" instead of "me". That says it all right there.

Blah, Blah, Blah, Same "Whine" as the other postings, same funky cheese... I took it up with you in P.M.'s and you folded like A cheap suit and you know it... You "Like" your self and what you "Pay" in "Taxes"... I'm proud of you. I don't and changed it. Let it go... You"ll just have to live with it because you just can't do nothing about it. When I make A dollar, I have A dollar to spend. I pay "Everything" cash. I purchase items I use and pay sales tax on those purchases, the people that pay me for my artistic ability pay tax on their earned income. I receive payment from one private party to another based on my ability to provide A service that few can provide... I don't need the Federal Government in the middle of that equation. The sales tax I generate by spending in my area is used in my local and state community. I do not have to report what people choose to pay me for that which I provide. You wish you had the skill or ability to generate your own income without having to answer to someone else or punch "Their" clock and I realize it bothers you so but if your happy carry on if your not, change it... Simple as that really. For example, you could go out and buy A pair of scissors and A set of shears with your taxed income, pay the sales tax on those items and build A clientele of people that have their hair cut by you on A regular basis. Then put that in an envelope and send it to the I.R.S. because you feel like you owe them or you could choose to improve the life of your family and your self... based on nothing but your talent to provide A decent hair cut. Both are acceptable in the eyes of the I.R.S. and that is all that matters when it comes down to it. Do you really feel someone else other than your immediate family "Deserves" A "Better" life off that which you provide? I do not and that is my final answer to you on A tired and worn out subject...

P.S. in case you didn't notice... I didn't start this thread and I don't constantly post where you post claiming you pay to much in taxes and need to do something different than that which you choose to do...

 

[mendel]

Taxes are voluntary. I volunteer not to earn enough $$ to be eligible to pay them. Folk can fund abortions and war if theyd like, ill opt out by working not too much.

 

[ttystikk]

I agree about US government has aided in development of technology and a lot of industry but I do not believe government was intended to aid and develop the support of failed financial service industries or large supposed "too large to fail" investment banks or some hedge fund Wall Street Industry. The industry and technology you mention is tangible. I think the US industry and creative work and achievement ethic have been traded in for "get rich quick" schemes/illusions created by intangible industries in finance and investment who deal in selling the shuffling of paper in a international crap shoot and call it GNP when its really just "paper tulip bulbs" of no value or purpose than to make very rich people richer. When your banking system thinks itself in the "product" business instead of the "service" business you got real values problems that are based in avarice with hubris and not very good technological, social, or cultural accomplishment it just seems to me. I grew up around a lot of Americans who thought it was more important to accomplish something in ways technologically, socially, and culturally that benefited "all" rather than just "themselves" or for getting rich. I admire that form of American spirit the best, the one that involves "we" instead of "me". I believe a founding document reads and starts off "We the people" not "Me the people".
The Bluzboy

I could not agree more. Currently, our Navy is the world's largest buyer of bio fuels in a specific and highly intentional effort to create enough of a stable market for the stuff to attract private capital essential to building the necessary infrastructure to provide affordable bio fuels for national defense- AND at the local convenience store, potentially saving us consumers billions. THIS is my idea of what a government/private industry partnership can look like- and the financial shell games of Wall Street are a sham, especially by comparison.

 

[sanvanalona]

Can we at least learn when to use fucking quotations? Learn the English language verbally and written, it should be a requirement in this country.

 

[sanvanalona]

I pay a shitload of taxes, I am honest about what I make and therefore fork over my share to the government. It never ceases to amaze me how people who evade paying their fare share always want to believe that there is something inherently wrong with our taxation system, therefore justifying there bullshit reasoning in not paying their fare share. If you don't pay taxes then you probably don't have a right to bitch about the tax system.

 

[GR33NL3AF]

Here we go: http://mashable.com/2013/04/02/obama-brain/
Another bullshit investment to some bullshit research program. I wonder if he asked the Chinese for the $100 million??

 

[ttystikk]

Can we at least learn when to use fucking quotations? Learn the English language verbally and written, it should be a requirement in this country.

Truth is, the English language as it is sucks- and I'm the son of two English professors, both of whom went on to careers in linguistic fields. Even you made a mistake in your very next post ('fare' vs. the correct 'fair'). This is not about picking nits; it's illustrative of the larger problem, that our language is impossibly, illogically, unreasonably byzantine in structure, use- and idiom.

English needs a rewrite! Maybe we could ask Google to make an app for that?

 

[sanvanalona]

Truth is, the English language as it is sucks- and I'm the son of two English professors, both of whom went on to careers in linguistic fields. Even you made a mistake in your very next post ('fare' vs. the correct 'fair'). This is not about picking nits; it's illustrative of the larger problem, that our language is impossibly, illogically, unreasonably byzantine in structure, use- and idiom.

English needs a rewrite! Maybe we could ask Google to make an app for that?

Yes, I noticed that as well.....I also misused "there" when it should have been "their". I was an English major, but more importantly I was a little drunk last night so my language and attitude were under the influence:). Tried to delete but too late. I agree with you on the insanity of our language, I have not ever delved into linguistics though other than reading some stuff by Chomsky so I am sure your parents are much more in depth about our language/form of communication.

Anyway my bad, I really shouldn't comment on forums when I have had too much to drink. Poor post! Thanks for the corrections ty and calling me out kindly:).

 

[Bluzboy]

Yes, I noticed that as well.....I also misused "there" when it should have been "their". I was an English major, but more importantly I was a little drunk last night so my language and attitude were under the influence:). Tried to delete but too late. I agree with you on the insanity of our language, I have not ever delved into linguistics though other than reading some stuff by Chomsky so I am sure your parents are much more in depth about our language/form of communication.

Anyway my bad, I really shouldn't comment on forums when I have had too much to drink. Poor post! Thanks for the corrections ty and calling me out kindly:).

I quit drinking about 35 years ago when I pulled up along aside some really pretty babes while on my Harley and full of beer and chasers. I forgot to put my feet down while I was starting to grin and flirt when I stopped, and fell over to the right with bike on top of me. Then in embarrassment, grabbed the handle bars and yanked so hard the Harley came up hard and fast and it fell over to the left the other way on top of me again. The Bluzboy quit all drinking after that and became a professional "bowler" in the Rocky Mountain, Montana, or the Southwest Bowling Leagues in New Mexico and Arizona primarily. I bowl a perfect 300 everyday a couple of times and have never dropped a Harley since.
Best to you from
The Pro Bowler Bluzboy

 

[sanvanalona]

I quit drinking about 35 years ago when I pulled up along aside some really pretty babes while on my Harley and full of beer and chasers. I forgot to put my feet down while I was starting to grin and flirt when I stopped, and fell over to the right with bike on top of me. Then in embarrassment, grabbed the handle bars and yanked so hard the Harley came up hard and fast and it fell over to the left the other way on top of me again. The Bluzboy quit all drinking after that and became a professional "bowler" in the Rocky Mountain, Montana, or the Southwest Bowling Leagues in New Mexico and Arizona primarily. I bowl a perfect 300 everyday a couple of times and have never dropped a Harley since.
Best to you from
The Pro Bowler Bluzboy

This is funny! What part of MT were you in? Congrats on the 35 years, that is something to be very proud of.

 

[Bluzboy]

I grew up southwest of Missoula on my Scottish Granny's little ranch and farm near a community called Phillipsburg. You can dig garnets and saphires out of your yard there. They bring bus loads of tourists to Phillipsburg in the summer to buy a bag of dirt for 35 bucks and sift through it to find the gems. It was 5 bucks a bag when I was in High School.

 

[mendel]

I pay a shitload of taxes, I am honest about what I make and therefore fork over my share to the government. It never ceases to amaze me how people who evade paying their fare share always want to believe that there is something inherently wrong with our taxation system, therefore justifying there bullshit reasoning in not paying their fare share. If you don't pay taxes then you probably don't have a right to bitch about the tax system.

You pay a 'shitload' of taxes because of your desire to earn alot of federal reserve notes, to live how youd like, which is fine. I paid a 'shitload' of taxes at one time, when I had the same desire for 'wealth'. My conscience wont let me p(l)ay the game anymore, so rather than being a 'tax dodger', I do(nt) it honestly, and earn next to nothing.

I contend, that anyone who pays taxes had no right to bitch about the tax system, they have given their full approval of the system by blindly funding their own enslavement. Ironic isnt it........?

I do pay state and local taxes (mostly consumption tax), as well as property taxes, because I use state and local services. Even though I 'own' my property, I must pay a tax or unelected govt officals will forceable steal my property, sell it, and keep the money to fund the furtherance of their expansion.

 

[Bluzboy]

You pay a 'shitload' of taxes because of your desire to earn alot of federal reserve notes, to live how youd like, which is fine. I paid a 'shitload' of taxes at one time, when I had the same desire for 'wealth'. My conscience wont let me p(l)ay the game anymore, so rather than being a 'tax dodger', I do(nt) it honestly, and earn next to nothing.

I contend, that anyone who pays taxes had no right to bitch about the tax system, they have given their full approval of the system by blindly funding their own enslavement. Ironic isnt it........?

I do pay state and local taxes (mostly consumption tax), as well as property taxes, because I use state and local services. Even though I 'own' my property, I must pay a tax or unelected govt officals will forceable steal my property, sell it, and keep the money to fund the furtherance of their expansion.

Yeah buddy, no matter what you think you own outright, you really are just a renter as far as the government is concerned.

 

[B.B. King]

I, for one, am very grateful for threads like this. If anything is ever going to change, it starts with conversation amongst thinking people.

In my mind, one of the biggest problems America has, is government spending. Clinton got a handle on it (riding Reagan's shirt tails), but it's gotten ape shit out of hand since. GWB proved very good at spending money that we don't have, but that was nothing compared to what's going on today.

Do you know that our total national debt has doubled in the last 4 years? Do you know that we currently borrow $.46 of every dollar spent? Did you ever wonder why the price of most everything keeps rising, while wages (if you can find a job) remain flat? Is the value of stuff (take gold for instance) increasing? No, the value of the American dollar is being eroded by our government printing the money as it has need.

While our leaders would have us believe that things are slowly improving, the world markets know better. The U.S. dollar is about to lose it's place as the global reserve currency. Major world economies are busy dumping their dollars, because they see what's happening to their value. The international monetary fund has created it's own currency, with the intent of replacing the dollar in world trade. This is about to shake out, and the dollar will soon reflect it's true value. Nothing.

While slowly but surely eroding our freedoms, our government is absolutely bankrupting our country. Why are we disarming our citizenry while giving a billion dollars in aid to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt?

I once believed that our problems could be fixed at the polls, but I now see a couple of problems with that theory.
1. Only politicians have a chance of being voted in. As the late, great Paul Harvey once said," there are lots of people capable of running this country,... but they're all busy."
2. There are simply too many people willing to vote for a hand out.

I currently believe that the only hope we have, is to totally scrap the federal system, dust off that forgotten document which begins, "We the people," and rebuild from there. Could this ever be accomplished at the polls? I seriously doubt it.


Grow well,
B.B.

 

[sanvanalona]

You pay a 'shitload' of taxes because of your desire to earn alot of federal reserve notes, to live how youd like, which is fine. I paid a 'shitload' of taxes at one time, when I had the same desire for 'wealth'. My conscience wont let me p(l)ay the game anymore, so rather than being a 'tax dodger', I do(nt) it honestly, and earn next to nothing.

I contend, that anyone who pays taxes had no right to bitch about the tax system, they have given their full approval of the system by blindly funding their own enslavement. Ironic isnt it........?

I do pay state and local taxes (mostly consumption tax), as well as property taxes, because I use state and local services. Even though I 'own' my property, I must pay a tax or unelected govt officals will forceable steal my property, sell it, and keep the money to fund the furtherance of their expansion.

I really like this post, albeit I don't agree entirely, I do like the tone of the post. Unfortunately, I pay a lot in taxes primarily because when I owned a dispensary I filed with the 280e tax code provision in mind which only allows for cog (costs of goods) to be deducted and I am taxed on everything else like it is profit. As far as paying taxes go, while there is no institution on earth more in need of a business consultant and financial accountability than our gov, I appreciate the roads I drive on, skys I fly upon, protection from other countries who would love to impose real slavery upon us, the social programs that are needed for those that are unable to work, healthcare, education etc.. I enjoy being apart of society and agree that taxation is necessary under our current system and honestly I am happy to contribute.

I dislike when people, and I am not referring to you Mendel as I know very little about you, who do not pay taxes but bitch and moan about the tax system. I mean if you don't pay taxes then why be bothered by what is getting done with the money? On the other hand if you contribute to the tax pool, it is only logical that one could have legitimate complaints about what is getting done or not getting done with the money.