Using the water in a pool to cool your growroom

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Ohiofarmer

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Unless you've invented a pvc heat exchanger or radiator, my "sacrificial bullshit" is the only way to protect against corrosion. This idea sounds super awesome until pool water starts pouring into your lighting apparatus and grow room.
Pex can't leak b/c of what it's made out of combined with the fact that you can only attach it with sinch fittings, and even then the "corrosion" from pool water would still not make those other steps worth it.....not to mention heat exchangers are made with copper...........which doesn't corrode..............infact it becomes stronger as it corrodes.....I don't mean to down your ideas squigg; I just don't think you got enough field experience so to speak.....what i'm sayin is I think more often then not you go to make scrambbled eggs but wind up making souffle, ya know what i mean. to me your just making something not that complex at all way to complex then it ever needs to be.......take it easy
 
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no hostility squiggs, but at some point you gotta use some logic in what you say brotha, i mean common man. I'm simply stating that to go through what you were talkin about is pretty ludacris logically if somone where to build a pool cooler; i'm slightly hostile about the computers though....I as well as over 6 of my close friends all have liquid cooled computers; some of my friend have multiple dedicated servers and host massive amounts of content, as well as running several actaul monitors each with windows, linux or mac operating systems running seperatly simultaneously......I don't claim to know or be formally educated on computer and server know how, but out of all 6 of them that have computer related degrees, none of them could take seriosly the idea of cooling a computer with water; it just isn't a logical idea, if you see how computers are cooled..........it just makes no sense at all......why cool something with water when you can cool it with freon.......which by the way all 7 of our computers liquid cooling systems use freon as the cooling liquid.....not a single one uses water.....they don't even use water to cool super-computers for shit sakes; so to me it is absurd to say somone would cool a computer with water rather then freon.....again thats just not logical.......After doing some research I see where you came up with water cooled pcs........Indeed people actaully use to be stupid enough to cool their pcs with water, if you research you see why they no longer sell water cooling elements but rather liquid cooled.......Just to bring you up to speed if your gonna use liquid cooled computer components then for your sake please use freon.....Water is just completely ill-logical....but indeed people use to use it. So sorry that i doubted you squiggs.......And the parts on those websites are for liquid cooling.....not water cooling, liquid...like pressurized freon.... Sorry for bustin your balls squiggs; hope you've been feeling better........Now let me introduce you to the most popular, highest selling, freon cooled desktop computer thats has literally owned the market for the last 8 years http://www.dell.com/ed/p/alienware-area51-alx/pd ...........:D.......take it easy squiggs

I have been building my own rigs for about 15 years now--I am not without expertise when it comes to building computers. As far as the pool shit, I have no problem bowing out on that one if you say PEX is available for these types of fixtures. To my knowledge they aren't and that's why I made the suggestion. You make a good point about using copper.

If your 6 friends who are great with computers don't think water cooling for PCs is legit--they need to take their dumb asses back to school. Plain and simple.

You DO NOT use freon to cool ANY PC that you own, nor has it ever been used to cool a PC. Freon is illegal (because its eats the ozone layer, freon is a chlorofluorocarbon which are now banned in new products) and it boils at -51deg Celsius. Freon is NOT a coolant, it is a REFRIGERANT.

There are various chemical laden coolants which are used in PC systems, but most of these are either propylene/ethylene glycol mixtures, or they are simply water with a bunch of shit dissolved into them. The reason these are used is that despite using copper blocks to avoid corrosion--it is not desirable to promote buildup within the block as its very difficult to clean and a clogged block will kill your CPU/GPU quick fast and in a hurry if its under load. In fact we go to extra lengths to remove even microbubbles for this reason.

Water is a perfectly good coolant to use in a PC liquid cooling rig provided you are able to keep it free of contaminants. The special liquids which are often used are ONLY used instead of water because people don't want to go the extra mile to make sure they use very clean water.

Because I work in the chem department and have access to highly deionized water I didn't see the need to buy all of the "special" liquid that are marketed to dumbasses. Please keep in mind that, while you're correct to say I've got little experience when it comes to building pump systems and doing all that type of engineering work--when it comes to chemicals and building computers you are all up in my wheelhouse. Liquid cooling is done with just exactly that, liquid. Freon is not a liquid unless it is under high pressure, and that's not the type of cooling system which is used in a computer.

A computer is cooled much the same as a car is, by circulating coolant (NOT REFRIGERANT) through radiators and through blocks which absorb heat from the motor (or chips). When you mention freon you're talking about refrigeration, which is how a car's A/C is run--not the cooling system for the engine.

I mean you can disagree with me all you like, but facts are facts--I'm typing all of this on a water cooled machine right now, and it's a beast of a fucking machine. It's been running for quite some time with no hiccups. It runs a 7.9 windows experience index rating (the highest possible score) in every category except my hard drive (because I don't need to write data fast enough to warrant spending $800 on a hard drive). That is nearly impossible to attain for most people.

Get at me if you want more stats, I'd be willing to share them with your buddies as well. Like I said, been doing this a looooong time--I know what I'm talking about when it comes to this.

Do most people cool with pure water? No. They mostly use the bullshit "special" water or some glycol mixture. I use pure water because I know about heat capacity and I know that water does the best job. Glycols are only used in cars because it's important that they lines don't freeze (hence why ethylene glycol mixtures used in cars are called "antifreeze").

Now as far as servers and shit like that, water cooling isn't really practical and maybe that's why your buddies don't have experience with it--but for high performance personal rigs its in widespread use.

Just go to youtube and type "water cooled pc" if you don't believe me. This has been the norm for 10+ years now.

Back to the topic, are the PEX water cooled hoods available? Furthermore are you sure that copper is the only metal that is used in these? I can't seem to find any info to that effect, and even if I could I'm not sure I'd trust it coming from chinese manufacturers.


Regardless of what the OP chooses to do I suggest that he watch his pool pH VERY CLOSELY while doing this, as that's really where his trouble will start if it does (regardless of what type of system he uses).
 
washburn4life

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OK OK OK! please stop the pissing matches I would like to stay on topic.

Ohiofarmer seams to know some stuff

Squiggly likes to talk over your head, but he knows his shit. I have followed his post on how to make wax and oil and I would love to some day use a ROTOVAC.
 
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So Hydro farm has yet to get back to me I tink I will just call them tommarow, fucking email!

I talk to a HVAC estimater thats been doing it forever He said the pool is not big enough and I would need about an extreamly large pond to do somthing like this. I will post tommarow what he planned out and If Hydro Innovations got back to me

some one asked and the bloom room is 24 x 18 w/ 10' to 15' cathedreal celings, sealed, 15k vented hoods, co2 gen. veg is 9 x 14 w/ 8' celings, sealed, 9k vented hoods, co2 gen

start your own thread on a DIFFRENT website if you want to talk about computers I want to talk about POT and growing POT and building rooms to grow POT.

NOT FUCKING COMPUTERS!
 
Ohiofarmer

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So Hydro farm has yet to get back to me I tink I will just call them tommarow, fucking email!

I talk to a HVAC estimater thats been doing it forever He said the pool is not big enough and I would need about an extreamly large pond to do somthing like this. I will post tommarow what he planned out and If Hydro Innovations got back to me

some one asked and the bloom room is 24 x 18 w/ 10' to 15' cathedreal celings, sealed, 15k vented hoods, co2 gen. veg is 9 x 14 w/ 8' celings, sealed, 9k vented hoods, co2 gen

start your own thread on a DIFFRENT website if you want to talk about computers I want to talk about POT and growing POT and building rooms to grow POT.

NOT FUCKING COMPUTERS!
Right on; sounds like you already got a relatively good idea of how everything is gonna come together; liquid cooling hoods is for the birds anyways, it's a giant pain in the ass and the pros are outweighed 2 fold by the cons......Take it easy
 
Ohiofarmer

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I have been building my own rigs for about 15 years now--I am not without expertise when it comes to building computers. As far as the pool shit, I have no problem bowing out on that one if you say PEX is available for these types of fixtures. To my knowledge they aren't and that's why I made the suggestion. You make a good point about using copper.

If your 6 friends who are great with computers don't think water cooling for PCs is legit--they need to take their dumb asses back to school. Plain and simple.

You DO NOT use freon to cool ANY PC that you own, nor has it ever been used to cool a PC. Freon is illegal (because its eats the ozone layer, freon is a chlorofluorocarbon which are now banned in new products) and it boils at -51deg Celsius. Freon is NOT a coolant, it is a REFRIGERANT.

There are various chemical laden coolants which are used in PC systems, but most of these are either propylene/ethylene glycol mixtures, or they are simply water with a bunch of shit dissolved into them. The reason these are used is that despite using copper blocks to avoid corrosion--it is not desirable to promote buildup within the block as its very difficult to clean and a clogged block will kill your CPU/GPU quick fast and in a hurry if its under load. In fact we go to extra lengths to remove even microbubbles for this reason.

Water is a perfectly good coolant to use in a PC liquid cooling rig provided you are able to keep it free of contaminants. The special liquids which are often used are ONLY used instead of water because people don't want to go the extra mile to make sure they use very clean water.

Because I work in the chem department and have access to highly deionized water I didn't see the need to buy all of the "special" liquid that are marketed to dumbasses. Please keep in mind that, while you're correct to say I've got little experience when it comes to building pump systems and doing all that type of engineering work--when it comes to chemicals and building computers you are all up in my wheelhouse. Liquid cooling is done with just exactly that, liquid. Freon is not a liquid unless it is under high pressure, and that's not the type of cooling system which is used in a computer.

A computer is cooled much the same as a car is, by circulating coolant (NOT REFRIGERANT) through radiators and through blocks which absorb heat from the motor (or chips). When you mention freon you're talking about refrigeration, which is how a car's A/C is run--not the cooling system for the engine.

I mean you can disagree with me all you like, but facts are facts--I'm typing all of this on a water cooled machine right now, and it's a beast of a fucking machine. It's been running for quite some time with no hiccups. It runs a 7.9 windows experience index rating (the highest possible score) in every category except my hard drive (because I don't need to write data fast enough to warrant spending $800 on a hard drive). That is nearly impossible to attain for most people.

Get at me if you want more stats, I'd be willing to share them with your buddies as well. Like I said, been doing this a looooong time--I know what I'm talking about when it comes to this.

Do most people cool with pure water? No. They mostly use the bullshit "special" water or some glycol mixture. I use pure water because I know about heat capacity and I know that water does the best job. Glycols are only used in cars because it's important that they lines don't freeze (hence why ethylene glycol mixtures used in cars are called "antifreeze").

Now as far as servers and shit like that, water cooling isn't really practical and maybe that's why your buddies don't have experience with it--but for high performance personal rigs its in widespread use.

Just go to youtube and type "water cooled pc" if you don't believe me. This has been the norm for 10+ years now.

Back to the topic, are the PEX water cooled hoods available? Furthermore are you sure that copper is the only metal that is used in these? I can't seem to find any info to that effect, and even if I could I'm not sure I'd trust it coming from chinese manufacturers.


Regardless of what the OP chooses to do I suggest that he watch his pool pH VERY CLOSELY while doing this, as that's really where his trouble will start if it does (regardless of what type of system he uses).
ahahahahahahahahaha aaahhhhhhh damit squiggs, for washburns sake i will say this, water cooled pcs are proven to only dissapate 7% to 10% more heat then a conventinal heat sink.......you must be running a laptop....either that or your desktop is pushing as much heat as a flashlight:p........take it easy:hungry::D
 
El Cerebro

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once this thing is up an running smoothly, you can take a nice break and lounge in the pool, where water-cooling your laptop should be no problem.

seriously though WB4l, i hope you have one of those floating chairs on your shopping list.
 
Confuten1

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Id scrap the idea of draining the waste RO water to the swiming pool. The extremely hard water that is in that runoff will cause you to use alot more chemicals to stablize the pool. Ive done this and my pool guy got very mad at me lol. Ive also tinkered with the idea of using my pool as a water source for watercooling my garage, for me after some research, it didnt seem to be worth the hassel. But if i wasd trying to cool light hoods (which im not) then its seems like a brilliant idea.

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I haven't read all this, but I thought the same when I wanted a room. I was going to use a tankless water heater as the exchanger in my idea. The boiler loop would be the pool. The cooling water would run through the domestic loop. No sacrificial anode on tankless. It would be fairly easy to create the control with aqua stats. And your heat exchanger would be 40 gallons. Even the heat exchangers for large commercial buildings with steam heat aren't this capacity, and they have to exchange larger volumes and at a higher differential. So theoretically, this should be very effecient.
 
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ahahahahahahahahaha aaahhhhhhh damit squiggs, for washburns sake i will say this, water cooled pcs are proven to only dissapate 7% to 10% more heat then a conventinal heat sink.......you must be running a laptop....either that or your desktop is pushing as much heat as a flashlight:p........take it easy:hungry::D

You haven't a clue, sir. When you're overclocking and benchmarking a 7-10% difference is ENORMOUS.

Do the math. when you're trying to dissipate heat approaching 300F 10% makes a huge difference.

If, with a stick heatsink, you're at 50C idle--a 10% difference is 5C or 41 degrees F, genius. Under load its more like 70-80C or @ 10% 8C difference. That's the difference between smooth operation and crashing at the top end dude--but you wouldn't know that because you're just talking out of your ass apparently.

How about this, you stick to talking about shit you know at least a tiny bit about--and I'll do the same. What would your alternative be? Pressurizing illegal and banned refrigerant through lines attached to your PC for some unknown reason? Or just duct a window A/C into your box?

Face it, you were talking out of your ass and you got called on it. Freon? Give me a fucking break.

If I had the cash I'd go with a phase change cooler, but that's not realistic at the cost. I can build an entire machine or two for what those things cost ($2000-$4000). For a competition it might be worth it, but not for personal computing (ie a PC).

FWIW I've got $100 says my rig shits all over yours.

Sorry OP, this thread hijack is over.

I think your idea is tits, let us know how it's coming along--I'm subbed.
 
Ohiofarmer

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You haven't a clue, sir. When you're overclocking and benchmarking a 7-10% difference is ENORMOUS.

Do the math. when you're trying to dissipate heat approaching 300F 10% makes a huge difference.

If, with a stick heatsink, you're at 50C idle--a 10% difference is 5C or 41 degrees F, genius. Under load its more like 70-80C or @ 10% 8C difference. That's the difference between smooth operation and crashing at the top end dude--but you wouldn't know that because you're just talking out of your ass apparently.

How about this, you stick to talking about shit you know at least a tiny bit about--and I'll do the same. What would your alternative be? Pressurizing illegal and banned refrigerant through lines attached to your PC for some unknown reason? Or just duct a window A/C into your box?

Face it, you were talking out of your ass and you got called on it. Freon? Give me a fucking break.

If I had the cash I'd go with a phase change cooler, but that's not realistic at the cost. I can build an entire machine or two for what those things cost ($2000-$4000). For a competition it might be worth it, but not for personal computing (ie a PC).

FWIW I've got $100 says my rig shits all over yours.

Sorry OP, this thread hijack is over.

I think your idea is tits, let us know how it's coming along--I'm subbed.
not close and freon isn't illegal, obviously your heat monger of a machine(LOL) cannot use google) : and for the price you paid to only get a 10% differential i'll go on my way with my quad processor, overclocked with Legal refrigerant......for a chemist you should know they re-worked all the cfc formulas, google my friend...........take it easy:p hope yo shit is feelin better
 
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not close and freon isn't illegal, obviously your heat monger of a machine(LOL) cannot use google) : and for the price you paid to only get a 10% differential i'll go on my way with my quad processor, overclocked with Legal refrigerant......for a chemist you should know they re-worked all the cfc formulas, google my friend...........take it easy:p hope yo shit is feelin better
You're wrong bro. Here let me help you out.​
literally the first 5 results in google (which you recommended) all say the truth which is that freon is the registered trademark of CFCs which are currently being phased out and cannot be legally incorporated to new products. Only systems which are being "grandfathered" out can legally use the stuff.​
Even the COMPANY THAT OWNS THE TRADEMARK DUPONT hosts a website that clearly says on the front page FREON IS GOING AWAY.​
Beyond that, it's just flat out retarded to use refrigerant in a circulatory system as a coolant. Mainly because refrigerants aren't coolants--hence the reason why we have two different words to describe those things. If that is actually what you're doing--you don't know the first thing about cooling shit down. I may not be an engineer, but I know that much because, unlike yourself, I actually know a thing or two about physical chemistry.​
So, without wasting more space on this thread (and this is the last time I will reply to this nonsense on this thread).​
Ohiofarmer on Computers (Because He Knows a Guy Who Knows a Guy That Went to School):
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.........anyone that knows anything about overclocking their cpus will have a riot with this thread::...........just admit squiggs That thing you call a "computer" is actaully a calculator lol ........Dude if freon was currently illegal all industrial complexs using refrigerators; or even standard refrigerators would be no more.........and my pop's works for dupont..........and they are def. still making freon......take it easy squiggs: ima not clog this thread up anymore, sorry washburn........take it easy squiggs, let me know when your "calculator" gets finished loading this web page........in 3 years......lol
 
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just admit squiggs That thing you call a "computer" is actaully a calculator lol

A pic of when I'd just finished getting the line bled--so excuse the wires not being organized yet.

Pretty sick looking calculator if I do say so myself:

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Also, for posterity, here is a picture of my actual calculator which probably still shits on your machine:

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Squiggly, you're hired to build my next desktop. Ohiofarmer, you've officially been schooled. They have been using liquid to cool computers since before you were born. Stick to something you know about, willya?

I can help answer questions about installing liquid cooling systems, because I have. Mine works extremely well, and if the OP is still listening, I suggest he stop trying to buy AC systems. I could save him a fortune!
 
washburn4life

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So I talked with Hydro Inovations they said bad idea it will turn the pool green, because the heat exchanger is copper and will oxidize.

I called a buddys dad who is a owner of a larger HVAC company and they told me a system like that would need about a lake and they 12,000 gal would not come close to working it would heat up way to fast. The system is called a geothurmal system most efficent out there

He recomended to put mini splits, a 3 ton and 2 ton in bloom and 3 ton in the veg 13 seer cheepest i can find, in the house. also put a heat recovery ventalator in each room



the SHR 14104

this unit would alow the out side air to cool the room if its temp is lower outside or heat the room if its warmer. I think it will also dehumidify the air if its dryer outside

you could vent it outside and let the room stay sealed

This is what i plan on doing any one need a pool lol!

The hard thing is i need a HVAC TECH to weld the R-410a lines and evacuate the line set, I am a electrician so got that part figured out
 
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..............ima let the crickets sit on this one for washburns sake....pretty nice rig squiggs, gotta get all that mess in order though...cough cough.......not bad for 7% increased efficiency;) lol..........we might hafta take this to the online gaming realm and just see who the real master of disaster is?! lol..........you shred any games on that ther system?.........take it easy
 
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I have to wonder if you guys ever get tired of such contentious and hostile interactions, never seems to be that positive of energy to me...even though the information could and is valuable to the community here, no one reads it because of the other negative silly shit also contained in there.....so it basically become useless....just my .02
 
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