Novice grower new to the Community

[ClassV]

Hello Thcfarmer Community! I have been lurking on this site for sometime while looking for a good forum with growers knowledgeable about Coco Coir. I have been impressed with this forum, so I thought I'd jump in.

I'm on my second grow, using Canna Coco and attempting to more of less go with the H3ad 6/9 formula for my base, and my well water is about .05 EC. I sprouted 4 Nirvana AK-48 seeds, selected two for transplanting, then topped them at the second node.


Vegged under a 400w MH and kept the MH on them for 14 days of 12/12. I have been gradually increasing the concentration of the feed, and supplementing with small doses of CaMG+, Roots Excelurator, and drip clean. The Indica pheno seems very sensitive to nutes while the Sativa pheno gobbles up whatever I give her. I have not yet tinkered with the H3ad GH ratios, but rather have adjusted concentration. I have not yet added epson as I have seen no signs yet of Mg issues. I have noticed very pale new growth that greens up nicely after it matures, and some deformed leaves here and there, suggesting Ca issue? For a little while I drifted the PH between 5.7 and 5.9 They did not seem to like 5.7 but do well between 5.8 and 5.9


Consequently, I built up concentration gradually, and have only been giving full strength 6/9 for the past few days, and the EC of the Indica Pheno, while well below the EC of solution, is rising much faster than the Sativa Pheno. I feed twice a day, full strength in the morning with between 10 to 20% runoff, and half strength about an hour before lights out with very little runoff. I have already flushed the Indica Pheno once during veg, and am reluctant to do it again, so for now I am going to feed PH'd water in the evening to that plant and see how it goes. I'm also toying with the idea of going to a 1/2 ratio, and try it at 5/10.


Things seem to be going well for the most part. No nute burn, no raging deficiencies. Just the finicky behavior of the Indica pheno. Both plants are now producing white hairs, and are about 19 inches tall. I put them into 12/12 at 10 inches height, and hope for a final height of between 2 to 2 1/2 feet. They are now on Day 15 of 12/12 and are on their first day under the 400w HPS.


First photo is at day 17 from sprout, the second photo being day 14 of 12/12 and around 48 days from sprout. In comments or suggestions from coco growers, or any growers for that matter, are welcome.

 

[Power OG]

welcome and you are def in the rite place! Gamerstwin & Tnelz kick ass in coco check out and i will tell them to come check you out. keep it green. TMB

 

[ClassV]

Thanks, Power-OG. I appreciate the tip, and I'll investigate some of their threads!

 

[Gamrstwin36]

Groovy setup bro. You say your using heads gh formula. Tnelz would really know how to steer you forward. I use canna coco also . Did you precharge your coco with calmag ? If it's coco, im all in. TMB
Respect

 

[ClassV]

Hi Gamrstwin36, and thank you for commenting.

I charged the coco in a weak nutrient solution with a little CaMg+ and a little Rhizotonic. I started the Roots Excelurator about 3 weeks from sprout. The roots on these plants are insane. I've been trying to go real easy with the Calmag, as the 6/9 is supposed to provide plenty of Ca, but I've been watching them closely since my well water is only .05 EC. At first I thought the pale new growth, ( very pale ) might be Mg related, but from what I read, Mg starts lower in the plant, and moves up. The leaves looked great. Maybe almost TOO green on the Indica Pheno, as in to much N. The new growth greens up pretty quickly. Might be strain related.

Then I read in a couple of places that the pale new growth might signify a possible Ca deficiency. Or it might also be Fe. Since an Fe deficiency seemed unlikely, I started adding 1ml/gal of CaMg+ to my morning full strength mix, and just cut my full strength solution to 1/2 strength with plain water for evening feeding. They look pretty good and the new growth does not look as strikingly pale as it did before the CaMg+ addition to the mix. I'm a little concerned about messing up the NPK, Ca and Mg ratios with the H3ad formula, so I just watch em close. No nute burn yet. Growth has been steady but not remarkable. The runoff EC suggests I might be underfeeding, but the plants look pretty good, and like I mentioned in my original post, I just now put them on full blown 6/9.

My first grow I just followed the GH DTW schedule to the bitter end. It was okay, but I want to do better. Produce a better smoke, basically. And the Ca, Mg and K issues with Coco are still a little mysterious to me.

 

[Gamrstwin36]

Hi Gamrstwin36, and thank you for commenting.

I charged the coco in a weak nutrient solution with a little CaMg+ and a little Rhizotonic. I started the Roots Excelurator about 3 weeks from sprout. The roots on these plants are insane. I've been trying to go real easy with the Calmag, as the 6/9 is supposed to provide plenty of Ca, but I've been watching them closely since my well water is only .05 EC. At first I thought the pale new growth, ( very pale ) might be Mg related, but from what I read, Mg starts lower in the plant, and moves up. The leaves looked great. Maybe almost TOO green on the Indica Pheno, as in to much N. The new growth greens up pretty quickly. Might be strain related.

Then I read in a couple of places that the pale new growth might signify a possible Ca deficiency. Or it might also be Fe. Since an Fe deficiency seemed unlikely, I started adding 1ml/gal of CaMg+ to my morning full strength mix, and just cut my full strength solution to 1/2 strength with plain water for evening feeding. They look pretty good and the new growth does not look as strikingly pale as it did before the CaMg+ addition to the mix. I'm a little concerned about messing up the NPK, Ca and Mg ratios with the H3ad formula, so I just watch em close. No nute burn yet. Growth has been steady but not remarkable. The runoff EC suggests I might be underfeeding, but the plants look pretty good, and like I mentioned in my original post, I just now put them on full blown 6/9.

My first grow I just followed the GH DTW schedule to the bitter end. It was okay, but I want to do better. Produce a better smoke, basically. And the Ca, Mg and K issues with Coco are still a little mysterious to me.

I've tinkered with heads formula, but by no means did i understand the logic . So im on salts now, one part. Simple effective. And easy to say the least . Funny they said it could be Fe. Those plant's look hella fine to me. maybe strain dependence, gotta nail that one down perhaps.
Respect

 

[Tnelz]

What's good bro. Pog sent me to you. I read most of your post but not all so correct me if I'm wrong on anything. I've been using heads in a 60/40 perlite Coco mix with a Nirvana nl. Working like a charm. The other things u r adding are fantastic products for sure but drop them or change ur feed altogether. Heads formula works as is. In bloom u can add some Kool bloom once in a while but that's all I would do just my opinion. His formula is figured out in specific ratios of micros and macros etc. By adding those other things you are changing those ratios and imo not actually using heads formula. Use 6/9 and a 1/4 tsp Epsom and all will be well I assure you. It's soo simple. I know it's hard to have all that other stuff on hand and not use it believe me. My nute closet is chock full of stuff I will only use outside of heads. Give them a flush and start at 3/6 + Epsom for a couple waters. After like two days go straight to 6/9 and leave it. Don't bother checking poms. Imo that's been figured out already. Just pH and u will rock it. For the record not saying heads is the best just saying it works and u will get some great stuff from it. I'd also stop watering twice a day unless you have to. I know people water a million times a day and it's fine but I think u should cut back until later. Hope this helps. Please feel free to pm me or continue here if u have any questions at all. I'd be more than happy to help. And welcome to the farm.

 

[ClassV]

So im on salts now, one part. Simple effective.

Salts? As in you blend your own?

 

[ClassV]

Hi Tnelz

I appreciate the feedback, and it's great to hear from somebody up to date on 6/9.

If you don't mind the questions.... The only additives are Roots Excelurator and drip clean. Would you recommend dropping the drip clean too? It's no big deal to give em up for a better end product ( the harvest ), but you just made me think of the P and K in drip clean.

Do you allow for runoff? I know H3ad did not water to runoff, but that thread dates back awhile. What's your take on managing salt buildup with straight 6/9 based on your experience?

 

[Tnelz]

Hi Tnelz

I appreciate the feedback, and it's great to hear from somebody up to date on 6/9.

If you don't mind the questions.... The only additives are Roots Excelurator and drip clean. Would you recommend dropping the drip clean too? It's no big deal to give em up for a better end product ( the harvest ), but you just made me think of the P and K in drip clean.

Do you allow for runoff? I know H3ad did not water to runoff, but that thread dates back awhile. What's your take on managing salt buildup with straight 6/9 based on your experience?

What's up bro! Drip clean is fine I use it in all my nute mixes. P and k are so minimal it doesn't even matter. Imo. Also ur probably OK with the re as well. I water to about 20% run off along with the drip clean to be as safe as possible. I'm also a Bennie tea guy once a week so my salt levels never get to high from what I can tell. I believe strongly that if u go heads full strength u will be right where you need to be. The ppms of the mix have already been figured out so I wouldn't worry about them going in or coming out. I feel u will drive ur self nuts if u worry about that aspect. Others may disagree there but head was/is a beast so I don't even worry about it. I tried it and it works. Just stick with it. I water once a day. I'd judge ur watering schedule by the weight of the pot. I think once at full strength with Epsom salts added will take you where u want to go. Also cruise the pH scale as well. I wouldn't be scared to go from 5.6 to 6.0 keeping most of them at 5.8. I started going as high as 6.2 in bloom and it's worked awesome. Just some advice if u are going with a method go with it all the way brother. As long as your plants are looking good and yours are don't stress it brother. In bloom I add 5mls of Kool bloom every couple of weeks for a couple waters and it's working great. I hope this helps u. I'm totally here for u bro. Anything else hit me up. Any little thing that's on ur mind just ask no question is stupid bro. 100% down with helping in any way I can.

 

[Gamrstwin36]

Salts? As in you blend your own?

It's a few Farmer's using this line, illeagle and urbanfog comes to mind. Those two are killing it with this ......

http://www.hydroponic-research.com/

Far as salts go, this is the best stuff ive used, simple and forgiving in coco. You got options bro! GL

 

[ClassV]

Thanks a ton for the advice, Tnetz. I forgot to mention the CaMg+ in my reply to you. I'll start adding the Epsom and drop the calmag, and see where it leads. No way to know for sure if I don't commit to the original program before I try to tweak it.

Full strength 6/9 plus Epsom.

 

[ClassV]

Holy Cow, Gamrstwin36... I never even heard of this stuff. How long have you been running it?

 

[Gamrstwin36]

Holy Cow, Gamrstwin36... I never even heard of this stuff. How long have you been running it?

Few week's now. Illeagle, urbanfog and dammit i think other dude 615? Not Sure, but i was peeping knowledge and said Hell i need that . Using the DIRTY version, with +size,+life, hvy 16 fire, and seagreen and weekly teas . Never had plant's this green .

 

[Power OG]

Holy Cow, Gamrstwin36... I never even heard of this stuff. How long have you been running it?

i told you my brothers are there coco! im on hr dirty in soil and loving it. thankyou TMB's for checking in.
TMB Power OG

 

[Tnelz]

Thanks a ton for the advice, Tnetz. I forgot to mention the CaMg+ in my reply to you. I'll start adding the Epsom and drop the calmag, and see where it leads. No way to know for sure if I don't commit to the original program before I try to tweak it.

Full strength 6/9 plus Epsom.

Hey bro no stress. Do it you won't be sorry. Also using the stuff garms told u about in Coco. Fantastic stuff. Not very expensive and it has its own program. It also let's u add ur own. I'm using it with big bud and moab. Working very well. Almost done for the next few months but when I restart I'll be using two methods. This is just to see if I like either better than heads. I'd be glad to get into that but to much to write and off topic. Anyway commit bro lol. You will be happy u did. Grab some Kool bloom (liquid) and you will be rocking. Good luck and anytime u need me bro. Tmb!

 

[Tnelz]

welcome and you are def in the rite place! Gamerstwin & Tnelz kick ass in coco check out and i will tell them to come check you out. keep it green. TMB

Pog what's good brother. Thanks for the props man! Glad you got me here bro. Hope your plants are doing well! Tmb!

 

[Power OG]

Pog what's good brother. Thanks for the props man! Glad you got me here bro. Hope your plants are doing well! Tmb!

all good bro! i had to soak one of the Loompa yeti bx2, cuz one of my novacaine seedlings is retarded so i pulled her, going wit Loompa ybx2 in her place! have good weekend!

TMB

 

[Tnelz]

Hey brother. Just wanted to show u what heads has done for me with a finicky girl. Just a plain northern lights. Frosty girl with some nice dense nugs and she smells so good.

Like rotten blueberries.

 

[ClassV]

Nice, Tnetz! She looks like a beast!

What queues do you use to cut micro, or to jolt the feed with the liquid KB during flower?