Super Soil ingredients

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I want to try making a few runs organically. I'm used to just buying bottles of chemicals. The shipping cost to buy the ingredients online is too costly. Where's the best place to find ingredients for super soil? Do they sell some of these ingredients at Lowe's or Home Depot or maybe nurseries?
 
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hell ya you can...might have to hit a fred meyer's or a seed and feed for some things. It might surprise you..I've seen manures, kelp meal, guano, blood and bone meal, perlite, azomite, sunshine #4 etc.
 
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When I look online, most places only sell small amounts. I know for a fact that you can buy bulk, for the same price. Why buy a 5 pound box, when you can buy 20 pounds for the same price? I'll call some nurseries.
 
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don't forget the feed and seeds stores if you have any close by. Just make a master list..I think you'll do well. Have you seen Wayne's concrete mixer set up? :watching:
 
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don't forget the feed and seeds stores if you have any close by. Just make a master list..I think you'll do well. Have you seen Wayne's concrete mixer set up? :watching:
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You mean the feed stores for animals right?
 
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Is there a difference between bone meal and steamed bone meal? I thought they were both steamed?
 
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nightmarecreature said:
Is there a difference between bone meal and steamed bone meal? I thought they were both steamed?
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it just means some were cooked and some were steamed. the cooked kind might leave behind meat byproducts that might rot. cooked is commercial and steamed is gonna be the better. easy to tell if the N is more than 1%..it's cooked
 
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That's a nice thread. I want to try out the Super soil, I'm not experienced enough to try experimental recipes with soil. I tried soil once and hated it. I had all kinds of problems. I didn't know at the time, the stuff in the bag doesn't have everything it needs in it.
That thread is full of recipes, I just want to stick with one. I wish Subcool posted the correct N-P-K's, they can vary. I've seen all different NPK's on bat guano. I guess it's back to reading.

I NEED to switch over to organics because I'm going back to school full time and I wont have the time to do coco. I won't have time to mix nutes, PH and all that time consuming stuff.
Just adding RO, I have time for that!
 
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Its not super soil exactly but I saw that botanicare has a growilla veg and bloom organic nute that's new. Its for outdoor but don't see why it couldn't be used in some way indoors.
 
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I'm going to attempt to make my own base soil. I think horse manure,coco coir, coffee grounds,epsom salt, compost, 5lbs of EWC and vermiculite. Horse manure is free. Coffee grounds from coffee shops, I got 50 pounds for free. Coco coir is about $11 for a big brick. Epsom salts are about $3 for a big bag. Vermiculite is better than perlite, perlite likes to float to the top of soil when it's watered, I think it's useless. Vermiculite is good stuff and it's about $20 for a huge bag. 5lbs of EWC will cost about $1 per pound, so $5. Compost should be pretty cheap, the stuff I found is used mushroom substrate. 8 large bags of good soil would cost me at least $160.

I can make a huge amount of base soil for about $64. This might help people figure out the correct N-P-K's. Just the Coffee Grounds,EWC and horse manure alone would give me
N 8-P 2.86-K 6.67, which would be perfect for veg. Once flower rolls around, the roots will hit the super soil.


Alfalfa Pellets (3-1-2) avg release 40g/sq ft
Corn Gluten (6-0-0) avg release 15g/sq ft
Compost (1-1-1) slow release 125g/sq ft
Bird guano (10-3-1 variable) fast release 25g/sq ft
Cow manure (2-0-0 variable) avg release 60g/sq ft
Horse manure (5-2.5-6 variable) avg release 20g/sq ft
Soybean meal (6-1.5-2) avg release 20g/sq ft
Worm castings (1-0-0) slow release 150g/sq ft
Kelp (1-0.2-2) fast release 15g/sq ft
Insect manure (4-3-2) fast release 35g/sq ft
Fish emulsion (5-2-2 liquid) fast release 1ml/sq ft
Cottonseed meal (6-2-2) avg release 20g/sq ft
Bone meal (2-11-0) slow release 25g/sq ft
Blood meal (12-0-0) fast release 10g/sq ft
Alfalfa Hay: 2.45/05/2.1
Apple Fruit: 0.05/0.02/0.1
Apple Leaves: 1.0/0.15/0.4
Apple Pomace: 0.2/0.02/0.15
Apple skins(ash) : 0/3.0/11/74
Banana Residues (ash): 1.75/0.75/0.5
Barley (grain): 0/0/0.5
Barley (straw): 0/0/1.0
Basalt Rock: 0/0/1.5
Bat Guano: 5.0-8.0/4.0-5.0/1.0
Beans, garden(seed and hull): 0.25/0.08/03
Beet Wastes: 0.4/0.4/0.7-4.1
Blood meal: 15.0/0/0
Bone Black: 1.5/0/0
Bonemeal (raw): 3.3-4.1/21.0/0.2
Bonemeal (steamed): 1.6-2.5/21.0/0.2
Brewery Wastes (wet): 1.0/0.5/0.05
Buckwheat straw: 0/0/2.0
Cantaloupe Rinds (ash): 0/9.77/12.0
Castor pomace: 4.0-6.6/1.0-2.0/1.0-2.0
Cattail reeds and water lily stems: 2.0/0.8/3.4
Cattail Seed: 0.98/0.25/0.1
Cattle Manure (fresh): 0.29/0.25/0.1
Cherry Leaves: 0.6/0/0.7
Chicken Manure (fresh): 1.6/1.0-1.5/0.6-1.0
Clover: 2/0/0/0 (also contains calcium)
Cocoa Shell Dust: 1.0/1.5/1.7
Coffee Grounds: 2.0/0.36/0.67
Corn (grain): 1.65/0.65/0.4
Corn (green forage): 0.4/0.13/0.33
Corn cobs: 0/0/2.0
Corn Silage: 0.42/0/0
Cornstalks: 0.75/0/0.8
Cottonseed hulls (ash): 0/8.7/23.9
Cottonseed Meal: 7.0/2.0-3.0/1.8
Cotton Wastes (factory): 1.32/0.45/0.36
Cowpea Hay: 3.0/0/2.3
Cowpeas (green forage): 0.45/0.12/0.45
Cowpeas (seed): 3.1/1.0/1.2
Crabgrass (green): 0.66/0.19/0.71
Crabs (dried, ground): 10.0/0/0
Crabs (fresh): 5.0/3.6/0.2
Cucumber Skins (ash): 0/11.28/27.2
Dried Blood: 10.0-14.0/1.0-5.0/0
Duck Manure (fresh): 1.12/1.44/0.6
Eggs: 2.25/0.4/0.15
Eggshells: 1.19/0.38/0.14
Feathers: 15.3/0/0
Felt Wastes: 14.0/0/1.0
Field Beans (seed): 4.0/1.2/1.3
Feild Beans (shells): 1.7/0.3/1.3
Fish (dried, ground): 8.0/7.0/0
Fish Scraps (fresh): 6.5/3.75/0
Gluten Meal: 6.4/0/0
Granite Dust: 0/0/3.0-5.5
Grapefruit Skins (ash): 0/3.6/30.6
Grape Leaves: 0.45/0.1/0.4
Grape Pomace: 1.0/0.07/0.3
Grass (imature): 1.0/0/1.2
Greensand: 0/1.5/7.0
Hair: 14/0/0/0
Hoof and Horn Meal: 12.5/2.0/0
Horse Manure (fresh): 0.44/0.35/0.3
Incinerator Ash: 0.24/5.15/2.33
Kentucky Bluegrass (green): 0.66/0.19/0.71
Kentucky Bluegrass (hay): 1.2/0.4/2.0
Leather Dust: 11.0/0/0
Lemon Culls: 0.15/0.06/0.26
Lemon Skins (ash): 06.33/1.0
Lobster Refuse: 4.5/3.5/0
Milk: 0.5/0.3/0.18
Millet Hay: 1.2/0/3.2
Molasses Residue
(From alcohol manufacture): 0.7/0/5.32
Molasses Waste
(From Sugar refining): 0/0/3.0-4.0
Mud (fresh water): 1.37/0.26/0.22
Mud (harbour): 0.99/0.77/0.05
Mud (salt): 0.4.0/0
Mussels: 1.0/0.12/0.13
Nutshells: 2.5/0/0
Oak Leaves: 0.8/0.35/0.2
Oats (grain): 2.0/0.8/0.6
Oats (green fodder): 0.49/0/0
Oat straw: 0/0/1.5
Olive Pomace: 1.15/0.78/1.3
Orange Culls: 0.2/0.13/0.21
Orange Skins: 0/3.0/27.0
Oyster Shells: 0.36/0/0
Peach Leaves: 0.9/0.15/0.6
Pea forage: 1.5-2.5/0/1.4
Peanuts (seed/kernals): 3.6/0.7/0.45
Peanut Shells: 3.6/0.15/0.5
Pea Pods (ash): 0/3.0/9.0
Pea (vines): 0.25/0/0.7
Pear Leaves: 0.7/0/0.4
Pigeon manure (fresh): 4.19/2.24/1.0
Pigweed (rough): 0.6/0.1/0
Pine Needles: 0.5/0.12/0.03
Potato Skins (ash): 0/5.18/27.5
Potaote Tubers: 0.35/0.15/2.5
Potatoe Vines (dried): 0.6/0.16/1.6
Prune Refuse: 0.18/0.07/0.31
Pumpkins (fresh): 0.16/0.07/0.26
Rabbitbrush (ash): 0/0/13.04
Rabbit Manure: 2.4/1.4/0.6
Ragweed: 0.76/0.26/0
Rapeseed meal: 0/1.0=2.0/1.0=3.0
Raspberry leaves: 1.45/0/0.6
Red clover hay: 2.1/0.6/2.1
Redrop Hay: 1.2/0.35/1.0
Rock and Mussel Deposits
From Ocean: 0.22/0.09/1.78
Roses (flowers): 0.3/0.1/0.4
Rye Straw: 0/0/1.0
Salt March Hay: 1.1/0.25/0.75
Sardine Scrap: 8.0/7.1/0
Seaweed (dried): 1.1-1.5/0.75/4.9 (Seaweed is loaded with micronutrients including: Boron, Iodine, Magnesium and so on.)
Seaweed (fresh): 0.2-0.4/0/0
Sheep and Goat Manure (fresh): 0.55/0.6/0.3
Shoddy and Felt: 8.0/0/0
Shrimp Heads (dried): 7.8/4.2/0
Shrimp Wastes: 2.9/10.0/0
Siftings From Oyster Shell Mounds: 0.36/10.38/0.09
Silk Mill Wastes: 8.0/1.14/1.0
Silkworm Cocoons:10.0/1.82/1.08
Sludge: 2.0/1.9/0.3
Sludge (activated): 5.0/2.5-4.0/0.6
Smokehouse/Firepit Ash:0/0/4.96
Sorghum Straw:0/0/1.0
Soybean Hay: 1.5-3.0/0/1.2-2.3
Starfish: 1.8/0.2/0.25
String Beans (strings and stems, ash): 0/4.99/18.0
Sugar Wastes (raw): 2.0/8.0/0
Sweet Potatoes: 0.25/0.1/0.5
Swine Manure (fresh): 0.6/0.45/0.5
Tanbark Ash: 0/0.34/3.8
Tanbark Ash (spent): 0/1.75/2.0
Tankage: 3.0-11.0/2.0-5.0/0
Tea Grounds: 4.15/0.62/0.4
Timothy Hay: 1.2/0.55/1.4
Tobacco Leaves: 4.0/0.5/6.0
Tobacco Stems: 2.5-3.7/0.6-0.9/4.5-7.0
Tomatoe Fruit: 0.2/0.07/0.35..Hot compost kill seed.
Tomatoe Leaves: 0.35/0.1/0.4
Tomatoe Stalks: 0.35/0.1/0.5
Tung Oil Pumace: 6.1/0/0
Vetch Hay: 2.8/0/2.3
Waste Silt: 9.5/0/0
Wheat Bran: 2.4/2.9/1.6
Wheat (grain): 2.0/0.85/0.5
Wheat Straw: 0.5/0.15/0.8
White Clover (Green): 0.5/0.2/0.3
Winter Rye Hay: 0/0/1.0
Wood Ash: 0/1.0-2.0/6.0-10.0 (A note on Wood ash: Wood Ash can contain chemicals that could harm plants and also carcinogens so, they should be composted in moderation)
Wool Wastes: 3.5-6.0/2.0-4.0/1.0-3.5
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wow..now that is a bad ass list...props!
word of caution..wear a respirator when messin with vermiculite..it's harder on ya than perlite. and the mushroom compost is renowned for having gnats..just visit a mushroom farm. granted if it's cooked proper it might not..but it happens afterwards.
 
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I'm not badass, I copied it from an organic gardening site. lol It's useful though.
 
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Caps with BT, I hope will take care of those Aholes. I could pasterize the mushroom compost. I know what you mean about gnats. I grew mushrooms for 10 years, I needed a break.
 
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It seems to have enough of everything but K. Has anyone had Potassium deficiency problems with subcools super soil?
I have a lot of experience with hydro and coco but not so much with organic soil.
I have liquid sea kelp that's 0-0-18.
 
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I don't think perlite is useless at all. It is super good for aerating your soil so your roots grow a helluva lot faster and stronger. Vermiculite holds a ton of water, which I don't need unless I was growing outdoors and couldn't get to my plants very often. Also be careful with manure, it runs very hot. If I ever use manure, I mix it in with the notion that its not going to get used until the next year. It really takes some time for manure to start to break down and do its thing the way you want it to. When I grow in soil, I take a big bag of fox farm Ocean, and a big bag of happy frog soil...they come with compost already...mix in more perlite, add worm castings, and finish it off with some happy frog fertilizer that already has kelp meal, fish meal, bone and blood meal, potash, alfalfa, bat guano, gypsum and all of the super good living organisms like mycorrhizae etc....then all you have to do is water them puppys and your set...good luck...peace...elk..
 
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Keep it simple
50/50 roots & black gold mix
Few cups of dolomite lime,perlite, worm castings

ACT teas love this soil mix
 
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