force sexing/stretch/development question

[Endthefeds]

Needed a few things answered that I have been unable to find answers to. Sorry if these questions sound ridiculous or amateur but this is a first attempt at reg. seeds, have some experience with fem. but after a few bad hermie experiences I decided to switch it up. I also am aware that clones should be taken to determine sex instead of the mother but I have a question in regards to that as well.

What happened was the reg. seeds were vegged for 2 wks, put into 12/12 for one wk until sex was determined and then placed back into veg. After another 2wks of veg. they were put back into 12/12 where they will remain permanently. They were all around 16-20 in. when put into flowering but did unfortunately have quite a bit of unnecessary stretch and space between nodes. Side Branches also seemed to not be as long as they would usually be. One of my questions is since I already made the plant begin to stretch, now that it is in flowering again will it continue with the original stretch or will it start all over and I end up with a double stretch(hope that makes some sense). Also is this going to impact harvest due to the longer spacing between nodes and the interruption in the veg. cycle? I did top them and give about a week to adjust before putting back into flower. I also took some clones after determining the sex, which btw seem to be doing great, so I at least have those if I screwed the moms up. I know it was stupid to determine the sex the way I did but I just felt it would have taken longer to wait until you could take clones, wait for the clones to root, and then wait for those to flower to determine sex or is that not the correct way? I'm still a little confused on the whole taking clones from reg. seeds so any answers would be great. Thanks in advance to anyone who takes the time to address these issues.

 

[socalpunx]

it sounds like you knew what to do but got impatient,it takes time.you might have ended up with a double stretch,what was your light cycle when you put them back in veg?what are you confused about with taking clones from regular seeds?

 

[Endthefeds]

My light cycle was 18/6 for 2wks during reveg. What I am confused on about taking the clones is this...lets say you take clones when plants are 3 wks. and have to wait the 2 wks for them to root, then have to place in to flower and wait another week or two for those to show sex, in that amount of time wouldn't you have already been able to throw your plants into flower and determine the sex far before the clones? And then proceed to clone once sex is determined?

 

[socalpunx]

ok first,I always prefer a 24 hour light schedule when trying to re-veg a plant and maybe you should have waited another week or so.
ok the cloning part.Yes you can do it the way you said but you can run into problems,like the one's you came across and your gonna be picking the best pheno for a mom,so you want to make sure the plants come out as good as it can for a fair judgement.This is why alot of people prefer dealing with clones only cause seeds can take a long time to pheno find and everything.

 

[Endthefeds]

Yea I def. need to work on being more patient, something I have always had an issue with but with cannabis growing, patience is key. I agree that I should have also went atleast another week in veg, but a few were getting close to two feet and my vertical space is only about 6ft so I decided to go ahead with flowering. Even though I topped my budda tahoe, it is still very lanky from the force flowering but luckily I was able to get a successful clone. I did notice on one of my clones today that the rockwool appears to be growing mold spores on it. Are you aware of anyway to remove the mold without trashing the clone or damaging roots?

 

[socalpunx]

well 2 things to that at first I would say,yea dont worry about the clone just wash it off with some water BUT is the mold on the paper of the clone or the rockwool cube itself?It could be a harmless fungus thats attracted to the constant extra moisture that was in the dome or it could be some really nasty shit that will rot the roots.Can you describe the mold or show a picture?A mild h202 solution dip should take care of it,if its that nasty shit cause I wouldnt trip on the other harmless stuff

 

[Endthefeds]

What do you mean by the paper of the clone? It is on the rockwool cube itself. I will try and post a picture

 

[socalpunx]

when you first buy rockwool it has plastic around the sides with paper on one side,if its not on there its okay.what colors is it?green algae is harmeless.a pic would be nice

 

[Endthefeds]

Some appeared to be on the rookwool right the edge of the bottom of the paper, the rest was right next to the cutting on the rockwool. The crazy thing is I just went down there to get a pic and its gone?? However while checking all the rest I found another with the same looking stuff but brown. Almost the color of the rockwool. Maybe it's just the salts from nutrients? I did just feed them for the first time yesterday.

 

[socalpunx]

Are you using any great white or other beneficial bacteria?what nutrients are you using and have you used any hygrozyme or sensizyme?I would say just wash it off with water and keep a eye on it.What are you going to tranplant them in soil,coco or just rockwool?

 

[Endthefeds]

I used a mix of rapid start, floralicious plus and big bloom. Will be transplanting into soil.

 

[Endthefeds]

looks good from here. ok to be concerned but minor. cut a piece of garbage bag or some type of black plastic and cover the rockwool.

floralicious plus and big bloom for ur clones?

Socalpunx is spot on with his advice. this first batch will not be best example of what this strain can do. taste and effect might be close, but not bud size or overall stature.

If you veg a seed to full maturity, they will usually sex themselves in veg. if not clone it and then flower the mom. label everything appropriately and in 2 months you will know which one to keep. and in a week or so youll know which ones are males.

tough i know with limited space, but necessary. Some fim the the tops early and causes multiple tops from the get go.

They are almost 2wks old so I gave them a very light feeding. I chose those two based on their low numbers. Everything else I have available would have been too strong.

 

[Endthefeds]

big bloom for its P and K and FLORA plus for its mag?

I was under the impression they could both be used throughout the life cycle of a plant NOT just the flowering stage!? But next time you run across someone who stated above they are new to cloning, try offering some advice.

 

[Endthefeds]

Btw after a few toppings that clone turned out to be a beast :)

 

[straincreation]

Yea I def. need to work on being more patient, something I have always had an issue with but with cannabis growing, patience is key. I agree that I should have also went atleast another week in veg, but a few were getting close to two feet and my vertical space is only about 6ft so I decided to go ahead with flowering. Even though I topped my budda tahoe, it is still very lanky from the force flowering but luckily I was able to get a successful clone. I did notice on one of my clones today that the rockwool appears to be growing mold spores on it. Are you aware of anyway to remove the mold without trashing the clone or damaging roots?

Should have bent them and waited a week or two before putting um in flower.
All looks well so i guess no regrets. All in the learning experience.
BOL!
Happy farmin;)

 

[straincreation]

Also ime, have reveged under 18/6 time and time again my ladies do just fine.
happy farmin;)

 

[Endthefeds]

Also ime, have reveged under 18/6 time and time again my ladies do just fine.
happy farmin;)

Yes mine turned out to be wonderful. have a strain called sournightmare kush that is like something I haven't had in years and years. I'm getting into the fun part now. To me nothing is better than getting to smoke that pure resin scrapped off the clippers!!

 

[pugliese63]

Needed a few things answered that I have been unable to find answers to. Sorry if these questions sound ridiculous or amateur but this is a first attempt at reg. seeds, have some experience with fem. but after a few bad hermie experiences I decided to switch it up. I also am aware that clones should be taken to determine sex instead of the mother but I have a question in regards to that as well.

What happened was the reg. seeds were vegged for 2 wks, put into 12/12 for one wk until sex was determined and then placed back into veg. After another 2wks of veg. they were put back into 12/12 where they will remain permanently. They were all around 16-20 in. when put into flowering but did unfortunately have quite a bit of unnecessary stretch and space between nodes. Side Branches also seemed to not be as long as they would usually be. One of my questions is since I already made the plant begin to stretch, now that it is in flowering again will it continue with the original stretch or will it start all over and I end up with a double stretch(hope that makes some sense). Also is this going to impact harvest due to the longer spacing between nodes and the interruption in the veg. cycle? I did top them and give about a week to adjust before putting back into flower. I also took some clones after determining the sex, which btw seem to be doing great, so I at least have those if I screwed the moms up. I know it was stupid to determine the sex the way I did but I just felt it would have taken longer to wait until you could take clones, wait for the clones to root, and then wait for those to flower to determine sex or is that not the correct way? I'm still a little confused on the whole taking clones from reg. seeds so any answers would be great. Thanks in advance to anyone who takes the time to address these issues.

Interesting thread. Coincidentally, I recently made a mistake resetting the timer in the veg room while making a seasonal change due to the temps finally cooling off. I unknowingly set it to 12/12 and didn't notice the change until I was transplanting about 8 to 10 days later when I noticed my clones starting to show the early stages of flowering. They've since been transplanted, pruned and put on an 18/6 light cycle for a few days now. I'm was originally hoping to put them into flower in about 8 to 10 days. Not so sure now if that's going to be possible. I like to have a substantial root system before flowering. Will wait and see. Unfortunately it was a substantial amount of clones that need to move on a schedule.

Would be very interested to hear how the clones you flowered turned out.

Thanks.

 

[dogznova]

I find using 12/12 from a seed is the quickest way to sex reg seeds..

First. Seedlings don't have the adult gene until approx 4 to 6 weeks of growth, depending on strain (regardless of lighting schedule). Without the adult gene present the plant won't flower or show sex. It just continues to veg.

Running 12/12 from a seed won't give much veg but as soon as the adult gene becomes present, sex will start to show.. Once sex is determined I then either take clones or put the lighting schedule up to 18/6 and cont. to veg.

Very little stretch doing it this way..

Hope this helps

 

[Endthefeds]

Interesting thread. Coincidentally, I recently made a mistake resetting the timer in the veg room while making a seasonal change due to the temps finally cooling off. I unknowingly set it to 12/12 and didn't notice the change until I was transplanting about 8 to 10 days later when I noticed my clones starting to show the early stages of flowering. They've since been transplanted, pruned and put on an 18/6 light cycle for a few days now. I'm was originally hoping to put them into flower in about 8 to 10 days. Not so sure now if that's going to be possible. I like to have a substantial root system before flowering. Will wait and see. Unfortunately it was a substantial amount of clones that need to move on a schedule.

Would be very interested to hear how the clones you flowered turned out.

Thanks.

I still got a little bit to go. this sournightmare kush I have is like nothing I have ever seen. pics coming soon