Implications For Farmers And The Apple Letter 'dispute'

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LocalGrowGuy

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For those who are not aware, the feds are unable to access data stored on an iphone from one of the san bernadino shooters, and they have ordered, i mean asked, Apple for help, and the implications of this could reach our growing community.

from http://www.drugwarrant.com/

The implications of the Apple letter

For those who haven’t noticed, there has been a bit of a blow-up regarding a dispute between the FBI and Apple Computers.

The FBI is trying to break into the iPhone of a suspected terrorist, but they can’t brute force the password because the software on that particular version of iPhone only allows 10 wrong tries before the phone becomes worthless with a delay between tries. They want to compel Apple to write a new updated version of the IOS to install on that phone that would essentially allow the FBI to make unlimited tries at speed (i.e., by hooking up another computer) and eventually brute force the password in order to get in. A judge has agreed, and Apple is resisting the order.

Here is the letter from Tim Cook of Apple explaining their position. As he points out, the issue is that once Apple does this, what’s to prevent the exploit from being compromised and used in nefarious ways?

Additionally, what would prevent law enforcement from seeing this as a new tool to use over and over again?

We know that would happen.

Remember the Patriot Act? One of the provisions was normalizing the “sneak and peek” provision to protect us from terrorists (this allows them to break into your home surreptitiously and not inform you even after the fact, so you can’t challenge the warrant because you don’t know it happened – they can also take things by pretending it’s a burglary). Again, we were told this was critical to protect us from terrorists. So what happened? According to the most recent figures in 2013, that year there were 11,129 “sneak and peek” warrant requests, and only 51 of those were for terrorism-related investigations.


Can you guess what the majority of requests were for? Of course — drug investigations. Even misdemeanors.


Regardless of how evil the person is that the FBI is investigating, in a free society we cannot use that as justification for giving unlimited power to investigating entities.

Now, of course, as with any technology issue, there are a lot of complicating factors to this case, but the overall facts are pretty clear. The FBI wants to compel a software company to not just give access to information that they already have, but to help them break the security of their software, with the “promise” that they’ll only do it once. And I don’t accept that.

I’ve been interested to see where the Presidential candidates come down on this issue. A number of different media sources have been tracking candidate responses. Here’s one. Here’s another.

Trump immediately sided 100% with the FBI. Cruz, Rubio, and Kasich have basically said that they understood the concerns but still sided with the FBI. Neither Clinton or Sanders took a firm position either way.

“Obviously Apple and the other tech companies are concerned about this,” Ms. Clinton said. “But as smart as we are, there’s got to be some way on a very specific basis we could try to help get information around crimes and terrorism.


Clinton’s opponent also did not choose between Apple and the FBI. “I’m on both,” Mr. Sanders said, when asked which side he favored. “But count me in as somebody who is a very strong civil libertarian, who believes that we can fight terrorism without undermining our constitutional rights and our privacy rights.”


Libertarian Presidential Candidate Gary Johnson: “#Apple is RIGHT. Handing the govt a potential passkey to millions of phones would be lunacy.”
 
fishwhistle

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Apple is right IMO and if they let this happen every other police agency and country in the world will demand the same,pandoras box for sure.What the hell is the county of san bernardino giving their employees encryptable phones for anyways?This was not a private phone but was county issued property,you would think the county would be smarter than that and you would think the US govt with all their resources and security experts would not have to cry to apple to unlock a phone.Sure doesnt make them look very good.
 
tobh

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Yeah, this is a slippery slope. Apple made a big move in the fight against encryption with this though.

As for the resources the US Govt. has and them wanting Apple to unlock the phone, well, they can't. Their encryption is unbreakable without the private key the user sets. This private key is only known by the user, never stored anywhere else other than directly on the device. If Apple does this, it will render their encryption essentially useless as then the great minds in the Govt. will have the little seed they need to be able to break into any iPhone.

There's a simple fix for people like us. Don't use the standard messaging app on the phone (use Signal or Wickr instead), don't view or save anything illegal on your phone (common sense, imo you're a fool if you're viewing legally questionable content on your phone), and use good, secure passwords. Studies have shown that passwords with a combo of numbers, letters (upper and lower case) and symbols are the best passwords. Make sure to make them at least 15 characters long (it takes only a few hours to crack a 12 digit password with modern technology, a 15 digit password extends this to hundreds of years).

Fingers crossed Apple stays firm and lets the FBI fuck up again. They've already fucked up that phone by trying to circumvent the encryption by essentially jail-breaking the phone, hence them pressuring Apple for assistance. All this is, is ammunition for them to restrict encryption (which is their biggest digital concern now). Last time I checked, the US is not the UK, and US citizens have a right to privacy. It's bad enough our govt constantly monitors us and already has more data than they know how to handle; they don't need a key into our phones either.
 
fishwhistle

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They are definitely trying to use this case as pressure on apple but it is not all about getting info on these two terrorist nutjobs.The government is pissed they cant crack iphone and other encryption programs available and it drives them nuts,lol.
Problem is do you sacrifice the privacy of the 99.9999% to MAYBE find out something about the .0001% ?Id bet they wouldnt get any info off that phone anyways,The guys most likely not gonna use his county issued work phone to communicate with,he would probably have a burner for that.
 
tobh

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They are definitely trying to use this case as pressure on apple but it is not all about getting info on these two terrorist nutjobs.The government is pissed they cant crack iphone and other encryption programs available and it drives them nuts,lol.
Problem is do you sacrifice the privacy of the 99.9999% to MAYBE find out something about the .0001% ?Id bet they wouldnt get any info off that phone anyways,The guys most likely not gonna use his county issued work phone to communicate with,he would probably have a burner for that.

Precisely. A burner phone that's long gone. It's just a new leverage point for them, just like 9/11 was a leverage point for them to push the PATRIOT Act. Things like this will continue because they hate not being the only ones with easy access to encryption now. It drives them nuts.

Much like "God" is a huge motivator for historical wars, "terrorism" is our modern equivalent. No one wants to be terrorized and most are willing to sacrifice rights they don't see immediate benefit from in hopes they'll be better protected. It's all a false argument for much more nefarious means. Considering the govt gets hacked fairly often (just not publicized like companies) it would be weeks if not days before real threat actors got their hands on the same code and started using it for their own data mining purposes.

Right now is of pivotal importance for the US. Either we continue on the Reaganomics style path (trickle down economics, war on drugs, surveillance on citizens) by electing Trump or we take a potentially risky route towards socialism with Sanders. I don't think Clinton really has a dog in this fight at this point, she's only staying in because our Govt. refuses to break away from the conventional two-party system. I'm getting separated from the topic here, either way Clinton and Trump won't serve the country well. At least not the majority.
 
LocalGrowGuy

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Precisely. A burner phone that's long gone. It's just a new leverage point for them, just like 9/11 was a leverage point for them to push the PATRIOT Act. Things like this will continue because they hate not being the only ones with easy access to encryption now. It drives them nuts.

Much like "God" is a huge motivator for historical wars, "terrorism" is our modern equivalent. No one wants to be terrorized and most are willing to sacrifice rights they don't see immediate benefit from in hopes they'll be better protected. It's all a false argument for much more nefarious means. Considering the govt gets hacked fairly often (just not publicized like companies) it would be weeks if not days before real threat actors got their hands on the same code and started using it for their own data mining purposes.

Right now is of pivotal importance for the US. Either we continue on the Reaganomics style path (trickle down economics, war on drugs, surveillance on citizens) by electing Trump or we take a potentially risky route towards socialism with Sanders. I don't think Clinton really has a dog in this fight at this point, she's only staying in because our Govt. refuses to break away from the conventional two-party system. I'm getting separated from the topic here, either way Clinton and Trump won't serve the country well. At least not the majority.
Well said.
 
Bulldog11

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You guys are funny. You think this is reality? You don't think there is a little show going on here? No bad government, you can't have a back door........sure......... I will believe that when my shit turns purple and tastes like rainbow sherbet.

You guys know a private company said they will crack the phone in 3 weeks by going through already public information about the killer. They would be able to figure out the password through this information. I forget exactly, but I think they said 300k and 3 weeks and the phone would be cracked.

Little does the public know, the government already did this, and the phone is now locked cause they were not able to guess the PW.

So the answer from the government, make a back door for every phone ever made........Control. And the sheeple cry out for freedom.
 
Smokey503ski

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I'm with the government on this one.
If my family or friends were killed by some Fuck stick I would want them to be able to do a full investigation.
Same with Apple, if some shooter came in and did the same thing, I bet they would comply.
 
xavier7995

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Gotta agree with bulldog, the notion that the government can't crack an iphone just doesn't make a bit of sense to me and this sounds like a dog and pony show.

Gotta go with that fine fellow named Ben Franklin on the topic of giving up freedom/liberty, etc. for safety.

edit: HAHAHAHAHA, what is the world coming to, bulldog and i thinking alike. crazy times.
edit 2: for a famous quote...i found like 5 versions that had it phrased slightly differently.
 
LocalGrowGuy

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You guys are funny. You think this is reality? You don't think there is a little show going on here? No bad government, you can't have a back door........sure......... I will believe that when my shit turns purple and tastes like rainbow sherbet.

You guys know a private company said they will crack the phone in 3 weeks by going through already public information about the killer. They would be able to figure out the password through this information. I forget exactly, but I think they said 300k and 3 weeks and the phone would be cracked.

Little does the public know, the government already did this, and the phone is now locked cause they were not able to guess the PW.

So the answer from the government, make a back door for every phone ever made........Control. And the sheeple cry out for freedom.
Do you realize you just posted a summary of the story that can be found at any related website? I know about their attempts and failures to access the phone, I know the apple request was made after, and any idiot can see the slippery slope argument because it is so obvious. Just because someone doesn't wear a fedora, it doesn't mean they are stupid. Just sayin'.

Your condescending response is ignorant and foolish, and you look the fool for assuming that others don't know what you think you know. If you aren't doing it on purpose then now you know.

Why do you bother to reply with vague references like 'I forget exactly...'? Thanks, that adds a lot to the conversation, thanks for your input.

Do you have any other tidbits of info to share with us rednecks?
 
Bulldog11

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LocalGrowGuy, welcome to the ignore list. That has already been stated in the thread, and keeping up the attacks against me is getting old.......
 
ShroomKing

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I believe the whole case is a big subterfuge to make the general public think thier iPhone is safe against big brother.
I don't for one minute believe that they can't get into any device they want to.
This is safety theatre for the masses.
 
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It may very well be a big show, but the fact of the matter is we can't abandon public policy, social acceptance, and our typical daily life; just because "they" don't play by the rules.

So we have to also take the battle at face value. And that is big of Apple (and probably also a nice marketing strategy), to be the company first to say no.

Doesn't make them a good company, but they are taking a good public stance.
 
xavier7995

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My take is if they can...rather easily i might add...break the hell out of TOR being secure, well the idea that an iphone is throwing them for a loop is absurd.

No idea who the "best" grower on here is, but it is like if some dude who has grown for 20+ years would suddenly not be able to water to water a plant to the appropriate level.
 

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