i don't think i do dude unless there is some a few pages back on here... basically they had a bit of claw to the end of the leaves,and they were doing this weird cupping downward... the bottom leaves started to get copper spots and look a bit burnt... but no tips were burned anywhere else on the plant that would indicate to high ec... looked a lot like mag def and cold stress... but turns out i think it was way too much N... current grow started looking exactly the same, but its not been cold nor did i think it was a def... so this lea me to try and find out what to do... i flushed with Florakleen until runoff was 0 or near to it... left them for about 2 days and already they look better... now cut out the N for now just giving them bloom, until they've used up some of their N... the buds have doubled in size since flushing, like the N wasn't letting them grow... bottom few leaves still look a bit fucked but the curl has relaxed. I'm hopeful...:D