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My Cheap Ass Grow.

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maybe within the genetics the plant reaching upward quickly may come from prior competition that made that strain grow tall in prior generations. or it could be from quickening toward normal vegetative 45-60 day cycle.
 
#3,824
oldskol4evr said:
myself i got nothing for clones,,seem fake to me,,hell the fun starts with the tail and ends when it goes to flower,,just me,,but every clone i have done didnt satisfy my need to see life,,seems like ordering a pizza to me is all,,i have flipped my seedlings to flower at 12 in tall and done well as far as yield for my own needs,,mass prodution aint my gig,,and filling the medicine jar is my goal,,and even flipping that early still gives me a buzz,,i think in theroy the clone and sog thing is more of a mind set instead of product,,so 10 to 14 days in cloner,2 weeks to get feet planted,,wouldnt that be the same as a 12 in tall plant from seed without the stress
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No it wouldn't, and that is what we are trying to figure out...
It clearly states that clones react differently.
Why, and how?
Clones must stack and bulk way better if done correctly!
Since none of us are even aware of that, we dont have no clue why then...

I want to know!
If 2 plants ,
1 seed,
1 clone,
both thrusted into flower at 10 days,
clone produces 28 gram
and seed produces 14,,
well i think that is worth researching...
 
#3,825
SpiderK said:
maybe within the genetics the plant reaching upward quickly may come from prior competition that made that strain grow tall in prior generations. or it could be from quickening toward normal vegetative 45-60 day cycle.
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ok,,, at least we are thinking now...
Maybe.. but i feel like there is something else going on!
And Im gonna find out what somehow...
Is there any big grow ops in Holland that SOG,
that might answer that question...

Im gonna search for a email
 
#3,826
i ran starfighter f2's in mapito / indoor tent doing testing from 12/12 from seed. at one point it grew 7 inches in 24 hrs and it was 4ft tall at 1800 ec LOL" .... one and only test as usa mapito is total garbage.

also ran zoolander raspberry kush and i think gorrilla growers alien fruit all from 12/12 seed.

you gotta test it yourself but a clone from recent F1 should be very good from 12/12.

you can put clones out today outdoor after being on 12/12, once they show flower then they go outside. even with 14hrs will finish quickly like its indoor before october dice roll ... in midwest. and it will be over an ounce if you train it sideways from the start .... :smoking:
 
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SpiderK said:
i ran starfighter f2's in mapito / indoor tent doing testing from 12/12 from seed. at one point it grew 7 inches in 24 hrs and it was 4ft tall at 1800 ec LOL" .... one and only test as usa mapito is total garbage.

also ran zoolander raspberry kush and i think gorrilla growers alien fruit all from 12/12 seed.

you gotta test it yourself but a clone from recent F1 should be very good from 12/12.

you can put clones out today outdoor after being on 12/12, once they show flower then they go outside. even with 14hrs will finish quickly like its indoor before october dice roll ... in midwest
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have you ever compared the yield and growth structure of clones and seed fliped from week 2?
Meaning soon as it has roots?
 
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SpiderK said:
i ran starfighter f2's in mapito / indoor tent doing testing from 12/12 from seed. at one point it grew 7 inches in 24 hrs and it was 4ft tall at 1800 ec LOL" .... one and only test as usa mapito is total garbage.

also ran zoolander raspberry kush and i think gorrilla growers alien fruit all from 12/12 seed.

you gotta test it yourself but a clone from recent F1 should be very good from 12/12.

you can put clones out today outdoor after being on 12/12, once they show flower then they go outside. even with 14hrs will finish quickly like its indoor before october dice roll ... in midwest. and it will be over an ounce if you train it sideways from the start .... :smoking:
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And why do you think they only use clones in SOG?
 
#3,829
EventHorizan said:
No it wouldn't, and that is what we are trying to figure out...
It clearly states that clones react differently.
Why, and how?
Clones must stack and bulk way better if done correctly!
Since none of us are even aware of that, we dont have no clue why then...

I want to know!
If 2 plants ,
1 seed,
1 clone,
both thrusted into flower at 10 days,
clone produces 28 gram
and seed produces 14,,
well i think that is worth researching...
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do you think maybe because the inner structure is already there in a clone were a seed builds it,,maybe more weight but same product,,and as you clearly stated more money to be had,,my thing is,i dont beleieve in magic and always look at shit happening,,the plants ive had to hide because of one reason or the other,outside and out of there elements,,which clones are all about,which would recover first,,i can tell ya because ive had to do it many times and this is why i dont do clones,,the seed will jump right on the train while the clone will droop for days,,you got to understand not all live in these so called legal states,cause none are in reality,,and shit happens to me god does it,,when i have had to hide my shit,,the clones ive done died cause the perfect world they lived in was disrupted if you dig,,so yes they will get much more product if you have the facility to keep them happy,,but in the getto,aint happening bro,,last year i had to drop and roll my shit under cover 3 times,,clones couldnt hang with that,,so in reality i got more product,,i know yopu probally aint digging my vibe ,but a outlaw go roll with the punches,,and when i lost 2 of the best clones i had and was doing them for a friend that breed and cloned them himself,had to shut down over some shit,,so i made the clones myself and was going to keep them rolling for him,,then had to move them outside to cover and they died over night,,im not talking about a clone just in ,im talking about clones 5 weeks in,,dead as hell over night and my seed plants enjoyed the dark,,thats the reason i dont and will not ever again do herb clones,,now i do a shit ton of cloning on veggies and do okay but they go right out to the elements
 
#3,830
i think seed runs would work if you ran a large producer and it was in a bed ... so roots could explode quickly thats the key ...

mapito in europe is the best..... hennepedesk crushed it on thc farmer and european black market and in the end im talking massive 300,000 sqft warehouse he would blow up

you could still get a good top if it was say nl5/haze ....

but not sure why you would not run mature clone. but maybe if you ran 30 different strains from seed after pulling some males would be like willy wonka land 30 flav and you get to do new phenol hunts for something new and special.

or maybe a breeder could do this for searching quickly into a line of seeds ???
 
#3,833
all strains diff....react diff ... the whole muck...and was asked this question other day.....seed needs to grow and mature to get to clone size...if u get a clone its already mature , just needs to build roots... so thats the difference... once u get roots, rock n roll, after a while u can " read " the plants .....and just move em from stage to stage as genetics require... its really nice to have those 3 stages... after time its really just second nature dig?
 
#3,834
oldskol4evr said:
do you think maybe because the inner structure is already there in a clone were a seed builds it,,maybe more weight but same product,,and as you clearly stated more money to be had,,my thing is,i dont beleieve in magic and always look at shit happening,,the plants ive had to hide because of one reason or the other,outside and out of there elements,,which clones are all about,which would recover first,,i can tell ya because ive had to do it many times and this is why i dont do clones,,the seed will jump right on the train while the clone will droop for days,,you got to understand not all live in these so called legal states,cause none are in reality,,and shit happens to me god does it,,when i have had to hide my shit,,the clones ive done died cause the perfect world they lived in was disrupted if you dig,,so yes they will get much more product if you have the facility to keep them happy,,but in the getto,aint happening bro,,last year i had to drop and roll my shit under cover 3 times,,clones couldnt hang with that,,so in reality i got more product,,i know yopu probally aint digging my vibe ,but a outlaw go roll with the punches,,and when i lost 2 of the best clones i had and was doing them for a friend that breed and cloned them himself,had to shut down over some shit,,so i made the clones myself and was going to keep them rolling for him,,then had to move them outside to cover and they died over night,,im not talking about a clone just in ,im talking about clones 5 weeks in,,dead as hell over night and my seed plants enjoyed the dark,,thats the reason i dont and will not ever again do herb clones,,now i do a shit ton of cloning on veggies and do okay but they go right out to the elements
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I understand your reasoning for not doing it!
I got it!
But they use this method in commercial farms all over Holland. They are multimillion dollar grow facilities. I dont think they deal in magic either.
They have researched there methods for decades.. There is something to it!
I just want to know what it is! I do think your on to something with a structure already being there
plus,
I beleive its cause you can feed at 1.6 right off the bat since they were used to that higher ec before becoming cuttings...
 
#3,835
SpiderK said:
i think seed runs would work if you ran a large producer and it was in a bed ... so roots could explode quickly thats the key ...

mapito in europe is the best..... hennepedesk crushed it on thc farmer and european black market and in the end im talking massive 300,000 sqft warehouse he would blow up

you could still get a good top if it was say nl5/haze ....

but not sure why you would not run mature clone. but maybe if you ran 30 different strains from seed after pulling some males would be like willy wonka land 30 flav and you get to do new phenol hunts for something new and special.

or maybe a breeder could do this for searching quickly into a line of seeds ???
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Well its easy to see why this would be the shit. If you can grow a apical cola plant every 6" square that weighs an ounce,
becomes 9# in a 4x8
 
#3,837
Srenots said:
all strains diff....react diff ... the whole muck...and was asked this question other day.....seed needs to grow and mature to get to clone size...if u get a clone its already mature , just needs to build roots... so thats the difference... once u get roots, rock n roll, after a while u can " read " the plants .....and just move em from stage to stage as genetics require... its really nice to have those 3 stages... after time its really just second nature dig?
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I think you are more of a perpetual than a true Sog....
 
#3,840
now the real feel tonight gonna be 47º accuweather ..... this is good and hope some of my satty hybrids outdoor take the genetic hint and finish up .... start stretch soon .....lol we gotta see something toward flowering by aug 15th ish
 
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