Mimed’s Perpetual Thread

[MIMedGrower]

Are you cutting the OF with anything?

Sorry went out looking for soil. Didnt find any close by.

I only add 30% large perlite.

 

[Burned Haze]

If root aphids

Used Azaguard @ 10-11ml drench ( it does work) one quart bottle at rate would do 100 gals

Than second : grandevo , mixed with botaniguard 22 wp and pfr 97 (let plant retain the runoff for 10-15 minute, I suggest having your plants have a tray under them for that time than removed after that ) the key with that is it acts just like if you would of been dunking the plant and your trying to get 100% since these pest are a bitch

 

[MIMedGrower]

If root aphids

Used Azaguard @ 10-11ml drench ( it does work) one quart bottle at rate would do 100 gals

Than second : grandevo , mixed with botaniguard 22 wp and pfr 97 (let plant retain the runoff for 10-15 minute, I suggest having your plants have a tray under them for that time than removed after that ) the key with that is it acts just like if you would of been dunking the plant and your trying to get 100% since these pest are a bitch

Thanks but i am pretty sure it is nutrient or uptake related. I will check the roots and soil and stem base tonight to be sure.

The reason i think its nutrient related is because I have been able to green them up some and get them to harvest. The damage stops. I just cant seem to het through transition.

I will check ph and ec and for bugs.

 

[MidwestToker]

Only thing I did was try to pH my water from a 8.5 pH to around 7 pH before I fed them. Went through a bunch of pH down at the time, but it is what it is.

 

[MIMedGrower]

Well no plant needs water tonight so we wait another day to check ppms and ph. One is on the cusp so i will keep an eye but i stuck my finger in the drain hole and while it was dry at the edge it was pretty moist deeper in.

And i scoped the hell out of the soil and stem and see no eveidence of bugs. No gnat larvae anymore either. Saw a flyer yesterday but the microbe lift seems to take care of them.

I am checking a plant for harvest tomorrow night. She has been affected and mostly recovered from this issue Im having. I will pull the plant out of the pot and scope the roots thouroughly.

I think it may be older soil than i thought. Maybe the nutrients were already compromised. Plenty of nitrogen. Not enough phosphorous. Maybe?

 

[Aqua Man]

Well no plant needs water tonight so we wait another day to check ppms and ph. One is on the cusp so i will keep an eye but i stuck my finger in the drain hole and while it was dry at the edge it was pretty moist deeper in.

And i scoped the hell out of the soil and stem and see no eveidence of bugs. No gnat larvae anymore either. Saw a flyer yesterday but the microbe lift seems to take care of them.

I am checking a plant for harvest tomorrow night. She has been affected and mostly recovered from this issue Im having. I will pull the plant out of the pot and scope the roots thouroughly.

I think it may be older soil than i thought. Maybe the nutrients were already compromised. Plenty of nitrogen. Not enough phosphorous. Maybe?

Calcium and potassium excess can both drive down available P... Maybe?

 

[MIMedGrower]

Calcium and potassium excess can both drive down available P... Maybe?

Well phosphorous deficiency tends to go with calcium deficiency. And i thought calcium buildup can block the roots as the molecules are so large. But multiple people have commented that it didnt for them.

I think i have unbalanced soil at this point. I have had it for at least 4 months and dont know how old it was at the store.

By the time I fed the ppms were still too high but the plants are already working with deficiencies by the time I see them.

 

[Aqua Man]

Well phosphorous deficiency tends to go with calcium deficiency. And i thought calcium buildup can block the roots as the molecules are so large. But multiple people have commented that it didnt for them.

I think i have unbalanced soil at this point. I have had it for at least 4 months and dont know how old it was at the store.

By the time I fed the ppms were still too high but the plants are already working with deficiencies by the time I see them.

Yup that would indicate a ratio imbalance in my eyes.

 

[MIMedGrower]

Here are some flower pics of the second nursed along Critical Mass x BLT.

 

[oldskol4evr]

Well phosphorous deficiency tends to go with calcium deficiency. And i thought calcium buildup can block the roots as the molecules are so large. But multiple people have commented that it didnt for them.

I think i have unbalanced soil at this point. I have had it for at least 4 months and dont know how old it was at the store.

By the time I fed the ppms were still too high but the plants are already working with deficiencies by the time I see them.

if you got some fulvic run it threw there and give the soil a rinse,i use the humic and fulvic and do this ,im not saying flush,im saying feed to a 20% runoff and it will wash some of the salt out,there are all kinds products for it ,but i stick with the humic fulvic,all you have said leads me to believe the soil just needs a reamend after this cycle,the fox stuff with the bulldog on the bag is perfect for that,but to get you finished like i said earlier barley malt and steel oats does wonders ,the little folk in the soil go to work in double time loving the big mac and fries you just gave it,add a little coconut water and the full meal deal will ring the bell,just my opinion bro probally wrong,but getting a old bag of soil isnt that unusal this time of year,most dealer get pallet loads of it in early spring and dont order again to the sale all of it

 

[Aqua Man]

I just looks to me like high calcium or potassium.

Hi calcium will lower available P and zink... Yellowing new growth can be zink but why do you think P deficiency?

 

[MIMedGrower]

if you got some fulvic run it threw there and give the soil a rinse,i use the humic and fulvic and do this ,im not saying flush,im saying feed to a 20% runoff and it will wash some of the salt out,there are all kinds products for it ,but i stick with the humic fulvic,all you have said leads me to believe the soil just needs a reamend after this cycle,the fox stuff with the bulldog on the bag is perfect for that,but to get you finished like i said earlier barley malt and steel oats does wonders ,the little folk in the soil go to work in double time loving the big mac and fries you just gave it,add a little coconut water and the full meal deal will ring the bell,just my opinion bro probally wrong,but getting a old bag of soil isnt that unusal this time of year,most dealer get pallet loads of it in early spring and dont order again to the sale all of it

Got the soil back in summer. And i wont ammend and reuse potting soil inside. Although you have taught me how to now.

I was looking for liquid karma at the store last week. I thought the same you just said. Run a good humic/seaweed solution through with the next feed. But they only had one gallon and i never ordered the quart. I decided additives are not the answer. I need to fix or isolate the problem the same way i have been growing successfully all this time.

I have seen this deficiency before with ocean forest but was always able to leach the pot and feed light and stop it.

Great advice bro. And im still lol’ing about the “big mac and fries”. Why not a nice sushi roll? They are confirmed ladies. ;-)

 

[oldskol4evr]

I just looks to me like high calcium or potassium.

Hi calcium will lower available P and zink... Yellowing new growth can be zink but why do you think P deficiency?

you asking me ,im thinking micro nutrients ,which is all the above,depletion the cause of the problem,ive had it happen several times and the shit is always right at the most critical time,nothing really i could do,but what i just mentioned above,i just feed the soil family and let it ride,after i harvest i re amend,the best amendment ive ever used i cant afford the shit no more,that is the kelp4less soil cutter starter,that is the only thing i have ever used that took me all the way to harvest twice,third round i had to re amend,but they done got freaking proud of the shit and i refuse to pay 4 times the price as id did 4 years ago if you dig

 

[MIMedGrower]

I just looks to me like high calcium or potassium.

Hi calcium will lower available P and zink... Yellowing new growth can be zink but why do you think P deficiency?

The fan leaves have a definite P deficiency. They splotch and then get necrotic.

But i think you are right about it being excess. Some leaves started with more of a mag deficiency look. I have lockout from too high ec and too wet soil. And i kept making it a little worse each week.

I will know more tomorrow.

 

[MIMedGrower]

you asking me ,im thinking micro nutrients ,which is all the above,depletion the cause of the problem,ive had it happen several times and the shit is always right at the most critical time,nothing really i could do,but what i just mentioned above,i just feed the soil family and let it ride,after i harvest i re amend,the best amendment ive ever used i cant afford the shit no more,that is the kelp4less soil cutter starter,that is the only thing i have ever used that took me all the way to harvest twice,third round i had to re amend,but they done got freaking proud of the shit and i refuse to pay 4 times the price as id did 4 years ago if you dig

But the plant is showing more PK related stuff. And was very dark green before the necrosis started. All the plants in the same soil mix are doing it.

 

[oldskol4evr]

Got the soil back in summer. And i wont ammend and reuse potting soil inside. Although you have taught me how to now.

I was looking for liquid karma at the store last week. I thought the same you just said. Run a good humic/seaweed solution through with the next feed. But they only had one gallon and i never ordered the quart. I decided additives are not the answer. I need to fix or isolate the problem the same way i have been growing successfully all this time.

I have seen this deficiency before with ocean forest but was always able to leach the pot and feed light and stop it.

Great advice bro. And im still lol’ing about the “big mac and fries”. Why not a nice sushi roll? They are confirmed ladies. ;-)

hahahah right,you know my old mind doesnt remember much ,but just last week ,i cant remember the site i seen it,but there is a product i read about that is a combined feed with micro nutrients,in a bottle believe it or not,but i went past it,cause im looking for the same thing for all my containers outside,ive got the micro nutrients all screwed up and dont even have manganese at all in my soil,i was looking for a dry form of the same shit,matter of fact came across it when i was looking at the pro mix site you linked,but shit if i remember were i seen it

 

[MIMedGrower]

hahahah right,you know my old mind doesnt remember much ,but just last week ,i cant remember the site i seen it,but there is a product i read about that is a combined feed with micro nutrients,in a bottle believe it or not,but i went past it,cause im looking for the same thing for all my containers outside,ive got the micro nutrients all screwed up and dont even have manganese at all in my soil,i was looking for a dry form of the same shit,matter of fact came across it when i was looking at the pro mix site you linked,but shit if i remember were i seen it

A grower I know uses earth juice micro blast for that.

 

[oldskol4evr]

A grower I know uses earth juice micro blast for that.

i think that is what its called too,im looking for a even balance around 6.5 in a 18 gal tote in dry form ,im cook over winter,but cant find any info what the ideal balance is and how much per mineral,i just got a pound of manganese yesterday,soil test shows none at all in my soil,im looking for dry form that want cost me a nut hahahh

 

[oldskol4evr]

But the plant is showing more PK related stuff. And was very dark green before the necrosis started. All the plants in the same soil mix are doing it.

ok so if it is showing more P and K related issues ,what that mean,im thinking mag and cal are off set,in soil you already know it has plenty of calcium and the mag makes every thing jive,but what went woppy jawed hard to say right,just a guessing game,highly unlikely nitrogen when it get it from the air right,so that leaves the adjuster im thinking,when the adjuster dont adjust it gonna send out signals for zinc .copper,sulfur ,hell you name it,that why i say micro nutrients,i think your dealing with the same thing i am in my container garden,soil test shows not a damn bit of manganese in my soil,and thats the adjuster,it keeps everything in check,you just cant add a pinch and get results it has to be cooked in and most important at the right rate,it can stop or make toxicty,so the only conclusion i can say is what you already know the soil needs re amend,i went to home depot way back last winter when i did all that soil building,they had pallets of peat moss stacked up high on the top racks,had a 21 sprayed on the side of orange shrink wrap,that was i guess october last year,i went back there 2 weeks ago for a bail of peat,them same damn 2 pallets are still on them top racks bro,there to lazy to get them down,that why they always have 5 bags of mulch for 10 bucks sale,there freaking lazy,they get truck loads of the stuff,more trucks come in they use what comes off truck instead of pulling the old milk from the front always get the fresh from the back if you dig,i do ,i was there when they just unloaded the shit and had it stacked right were they were gonna put it in the rack,took that blade out cut shrink wrap and got 2 bails and they watched ,didnt say a word,they dont give a shit,you got some old stuff,bro,you would be surprised how light a bail of peat moss is when it hasnt been wet

 

[MIMedGrower]

ok so if it is showing more P and K related issues ,what that mean,im thinking mag and cal are off set,in soil you already know it has plenty of calcium and the mag makes every thing jive,but what went woppy jawed hard to say right,just a guessing game,highly unlikely nitrogen when it get it from the air right,so that leaves the adjuster im thinking,when the adjuster dont adjust it gonna send out signals for zinc .copper,sulfur ,hell you name it,that why i say micro nutrients,i think your dealing with the same thing i am in my container garden,soil test shows not a damn bit of manganese in my soil,and thats the adjuster,it keeps everything in check,you just cant add a pinch and get results it has to be cooked in and most important at the right rate,it can stop or make toxicty,so the only conclusion i can say is what you already know the soil needs re amend,i went to home depot way back last winter when i did all that soil building,they had pallets of peat moss stacked up high on the top racks,had a 21 sprayed on the side of orange shrink wrap,that was i guess october last year,i went back there 2 weeks ago for a bail of peat,them same damn 2 pallets are still on them top racks bro,there to lazy to get them down,that why they always have 5 bags of mulch for 10 bucks sale,there freaking lazy,they get truck loads of the stuff,more trucks come in they use what comes off truck instead of pulling the old milk from the front always get the fresh from the back if you dig,i do ,i was there when they just unloaded the shit and had it stacked right were they were gonna put it in the rack,took that blade out cut shrink wrap and got 2 bails and they watched ,didnt say a word,they dont give a shit,you got some old stuff,bro,you would be surprised how light a bail of peat moss is when it hasnt been wet

Ok. But rather than ammending the soil. And i understand where youre coming from bro. You reuse your soil cause its rediculously expensive. I know that. But i look at this differently. I want fresh great draining soil that grows great veg plants from seed or clone with only my well water for as long as the nutrients last. Then i switch to Pure Blend Pro fertilizer for the rest of the cycle. Others are counting on my harvests.

So if i have too high ec but with an imbalance of nutrients and possibly wet roots I never got all the way dry during the lockout it would affect phosphorous uptake for sure. And likely calcium. Even if it is a lack of micro nutes. Which i have never seen with a new bag of ocean forest with my deep well water i think I know my course of action.

I rarely run more than a gallon or two through the 3 gallon pots. I need to flush more with a few gallons of maybe 10ml mix of pure blend pro grow until i see around 1.2 -1.4 ec and 6.5 ph or close. Then my soul grow transfers to a soiless fertilized grow and i continue from there.

Which is what I have done in the past and it corrects itself in a few days to a week.

I have not been thinking clearly while rehabbing my back and leg from the pinched nerve for sure.