PH meter salesmen sorry in adavnce...

[FuriousStyles]

I wonder if the different vendors have people they pay to raid forums? Got to have that ph meter to check your water before you pour it in that pre-buffered soil.

They have a place and use, don't get it twisted, but geez there are 1000's of threads on here from soil growers saying they don't even check that stuff and run straight tap water. Way better growers than me for sure.

Ever experimented with one test plant out of your garden to see the results of straight tap water vs ph'd this or that? Just one to prove everyone wrong who says I don't ph the water in my soil grow and just pour it in straight from the tap?

 

[JSH1973]

Some soils it is just fine with tap water but not all and you definetely would be in trouble if it was coco

 

[FuriousStyles]

Some soils it is just fine with tap water but not all and you definetely would be in trouble if it was coco

Coco and hydro that's the place. You can buy ph drops that test your hot tub and do the same thing. Unless you are color blind.

I have yet to find a soil to ph, then again I do not grow in sand. I am talking about the name brand soils not some obscure circumstance.

 

[PK1]

this all depends on your water source condition, the piping within your home/facility and the soil that is being used. Most store bought soils have ph adjustment capability. If your facility/home has pvc or flex pipe and your water source is neutral than you don't need to ph your water. That also depends on the nutrients you are using and the order that is being used.

Our building recently changed all the copper pipes to Plax pipes and when i was using ProMix Hp with Mega Crop, i wouldn't need to ph my water for soil. That is because my water source is at 7.0PH which is neutral and when i added Mega Crop the ph would be at 6.4. ProMix Hp does adjust ph but regardless the nutrients was available at the right ph because my nutrients leveled the ph of my feed water.

This would not be the same if you are using RO or well water. Or if you are adding silica to your mix. Totally different and ph adjustment is needed.

 

[FuriousStyles]

this all depends on your water source condition, the piping within your home/facility and the soil that is being used. Most store bought soils have ph adjustment capability. If your facility/home has pvc or flex pipe and your water source is neutral than you don't need to ph your water. That also depends on the nutrients you are using and the order that is being used.

Our building recently changed all the copper pipes to Plax pipes and when i was using ProMix Hp with Mega Crop, i wouldn't need to ph my water for soil. That is because my water source is at 7.0PH which is neutral and when i added Mega Crop the ph would be at 6.4. ProMix Hp does adjust ph but regardless the nutrients was available at the right ph because my nutrients leveled the ph of my feed water.

This would not be the same if you are using RO or well water. Or if you are adding silica to your mix. Totally different and ph adjustment is needed.

So imagine the same scenario, new grower ph's the water to 6.5 adds the nutes u said, now his ph could be well under 6.
I guess a better way to say it is why create a possible ph problem when you may not have one to begin with.

 

[PK1]

So imagine the same scenario, new grower ph's the water to 6.5 adds the nutes u said, now his ph could be well under 6.
I guess a better way to say it is why create a possible ph problem when you may not have one to begin with.

well for starters, you shouldn't ph water and then add nutrients. You add the nutrients 1st and then if it needs ph adjusting than you add the ph.
Who ever told you to add ph 1st has set you up for a failure. again, unless your water source is out of whack and or you are using silica in which than it would need to be ph adjusted before adding nutrients. Each grower has different setups, environment and everything else.

 

[FuriousStyles]

You are right my man....I take what I said back please, please, PLEASE, buy a ph meter and ph your water out of the tap in a soil grow. I have been corrected.

 

[FuriousStyles]

All ph meter salesmen hope you have a healthy bountiful year!

 

[FuriousStyles]

Here is my ph meter. Cost me $12.00 and it is a lifetime supply for a soil grow.

Used once a year to test tap water. Amazon $10.00

And a slurry kit that also tests ph.

Test soil before you plant. Test soil anytime during grow. Test soil when done. Lowes $12.00.

This is how people know one does not need to ph tap water going in store bought prebuffered soil like ocean forest, happy frog, roots organic and the list goes on.......

 

[Neuro]

Haven't tried roots organic. Consistent pH problems with both of the Fox Farms products. You do what you want. A lot of people agree with you. Personal experience has taught me otherwise. I could be wrong too but as long as I'm getting the results I want when I pH and crap that belongs in someone else's grow room when I don't, I'm not inclined to listen to your advice. Just because it works for you does not mean it works for everyone.

 

[growsince79]

well for starters, you shouldn't ph water and then add nutrients. You add the nutrients 1st and then if it needs ph adjusting than you add the ph.
Who ever told you to add ph 1st has set you up for a failure. again, unless your water source is out of whack and or you are using silica in which than it would need to be ph adjusted before adding nutrients. Each grower has different setups, environment and everything else.

Why ph after adding silica and before adding nutes?

 

[GuySmiley]

Grow #3 I've never tested my we'll water for any sort of analysis. I know its high in iron (can see it in a clear glass)but I haven't put a filter on my water supply yet. There's at least 3 strains in this pic, if not more. Some are happier than others but not to any degree where I start a "Help me"! Thread. The plants from purchased seeds/ known strain look very healthy and happy.
I considered culling my 4 unknowns but decided to keep them for sacrificial buds to pick early while the others finish. I grow in soil.

 

[FuriousStyles]

Haven't tried roots organic. Consistent pH problems with both of the Fox Farms products. You do what you want. A lot of people agree with you. Personal experience has taught me otherwise. I could be wrong too but as long as I'm getting the results I want when I pH and crap that belongs in someone else's grow room when I don't, I'm not inclined to listen to your advice. Just because it works for you does not mean it works for everyone.

PH pen salesman detected. Secret sauce for under $30. Keep it moving or ride that dead horse of "you made a mistake" in another thread till it falls under you. I got no problem admitting I am wrong, when I am. Don't listen to my advice, could care less, 1000's of kick ass growers on here saying the same thing. I just gave you a $30 way to prove me wrong.

 

[PK1]

This is why i didn't wanna be a op, i be banning idiots for days.

what is up with this proving stuff? What is the winning price after you've done proofing yourself?
im getting sick of tired you old fart ass goonies that feel like you need to proof something!
There is bunch you fart fucks running around and causing dramas that your method is better, or shit is done like this or have something to proof.


Go smoke your medication and relax the fuk up!

 

[PK1]

Why ph after adding silica and before adding nutes?

i never used silica, so i actulley don't know. The reason i said it was cuz someone was using RO or well water and wasn't adding things in order. So, he was told to do silica 1st, check ph and than adjust and then add the nutrients or something like that. It was a while back, so i thought if your using silica than a ph adjustment might be needed. However, everyone case could be different.


I'd be happy to be corrected and find out what this Silica really does?

 

[Neuro]

PH pen salesman detected. Secret sauce for under $30. Keep it moving or ride that dead horse of "you made a mistake" in another thread till it falls under you. I got no problem admitting I am wrong, when I am. Don't listen to my advice, could care less, 1000's of kick ass growers on here saying the same thing. I just gave you a $30 way to prove me wrong.

Seems like you're awful invested in this. Why are you pushing it if you could care less? By the way, the laws of English suggest you want the phrase "couldn't care less".

 

[Neuro]

PH pen salesman detected. Secret sauce for under $30. Keep it moving or ride that dead horse of "you made a mistake" in another thread till it falls under you. I got no problem admitting I am wrong, when I am. Don't listen to my advice, could care less, 1000's of kick ass growers on here saying the same thing. I just gave you a $30 way to prove me wrong.

And wow! Touchy much? I asked for clarification on another post you made, gave you a like and moved on. If you're feeling persecuted, I'm very sorry but I think that's more a "you" problem. Have a good one!

 

[growsince79]

i never used silica, so i actulley don't know. The reason i said it was cuz someone was using RO or well water and wasn't adding things in order. So, he was told to do silica 1st, check ph and than adjust and then add the nutrients or something like that. It was a while back, so i thought if your using silica than a ph adjustment might be needed. However, everyone case could be different.


I'd be happy to be corrected and find out what this Silica really does?

I never heard that before. I always just add nutes after silica and then check ph which is usually good. If its not then I adjust.

 

[tobh]

Why ph after adding silica and before adding nutes?

depending on the type of silica, such as potassium silicate, it will raise the pH significantly, like upwards of 9+. It's a very strong alkaline buffering agent. So, you have to allow it to exchange with the water for ideally 15+ minutes then pH back down to 6.5 otherwise you'll end up with precipitate when adding your other nutrients. You won't experience this as severely with monosilicic acid, but you should still confirm pH is somewhere near neutral or slightly under before adding addition nutrients.

 

[growsince79]

depending on the type of silica, such as potassium silicate, it will raise the pH significantly, like upwards of 9+. It's a very strong alkaline buffering agent. So, you have to allow it to exchange with the water for ideally 15+ minutes then pH back down to 6.5 otherwise you'll end up with precipitate when adding your other nutrients. You won't experience this as severely with monosilicic acid, but you should still confirm pH is somewhere near neutral or slightly under before adding addition nutrients.

So you think I should add silica, then ph down, then nutes, then ph up? All I do is mix potassium silicate, then add nutes - no need for ph up or down. So far it hasn't been a problem. I usually don't even wait 15min.