Cheap LED 4x4 DWC grow (new setup)

[Anthem]

Yes!!! Thank you, I needed this.

You seem to have an admiration for proclaiming your way to be the best. Yes all lights can grow plants. Some better than others.
When you say Bestva is a good higher end light I know you have no idea about lights.
My personal experience with Bestva. I had a couple Mars TS 1000. One day I notice one is not working, so I ordered what had the best reviews on beso site. It arrives a day or two later. Right off I know something is wrong. I got a picture of the package at my door and it is just too small. I said just give it a try. I plugged it in, no way. But I keep trying. Plants start to stretch like they are at week 2 of flower. Return light right review. Bestva has the nerve to email me, if you change your review to a positive review we will refund your money and you can keep the light. They did this several times. Why because they paid for the reviews, tge reviews are all lies. Take that knucklehead mygro or whatever his name is. He gets paid by the light companies to do reviews. Never seen him review a commercial fixture

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

You seem to have an admiration for proclaiming your way to be the best. Yes all lights can grow plants. Some better than others.
When you say Bestva is a good higher end light I know you have no idea about lights.
My personal experience with Bestva. I had a couple Mars TS 1000. One day I notice one is not working, so I ordered what had the best reviews on beso site. It arrives a day or two later. Right off I know something is wrong. I got a picture of the package at my door and it is just too small. I said just give it a try. I plugged it in, no way. But I keep trying. Plants start to stretch like they are at week 2 of flower. Return light right review. Bestva has the nerve to email me, if you change your review to a positive review we will refund your money and you can keep the light. They did this several times. Why because they paid for the reviews, tge reviews are all lies. Take that knucklehead mygro or whatever his name is. He gets paid by the light companies to do reviews. Never seen him review a commercial fixture

Are you serious?

You're reaching a lot here. The OP is not claiming his way is, "THE BEST".

Shane from Migro is not paid by "light companies" to review their lights. He is very knowledgeable and a trusted source in the community.

Shane has 100% reviewed commercial fixtures, quit making ignorant comments. Go ahead and make me prove it, I can.

 

[ninjadip]

You seem to have an admiration for proclaiming your way to be the best. Yes all lights can grow plants. Some better than others.
When you say Bestva is a good higher end light I know you have no idea about lights.
My personal experience with Bestva. I had a couple Mars TS 1000. One day I notice one is not working, so I ordered what had the best reviews on beso site. It arrives a day or two later. Right off I know something is wrong. I got a picture of the package at my door and it is just too small. I said just give it a try. I plugged it in, no way. But I keep trying. Plants start to stretch like they are at week 2 of flower. Return light right review. Bestva has the nerve to email me, if you change your review to a positive review we will refund your money and you can keep the light. They did this several times. Why because they paid for the reviews, tge reviews are all lies. Take that knucklehead mygro or whatever his name is. He gets paid by the light companies to do reviews. Never seen him review a commercial fixture

Whoahhhh I never said bestva was a great light, don't misquote me. I said it is a more known brand, wayyyy different .


Lol thanks

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

I apricate you fighting the good fight. But china lovers will never admit to or understand they are the enemy. While china for the most part can not be avoided because of people like these. Going with the best you can get and limit exposure to china money laundering which is what there doing is great. They always have the buzz words of I can't afford, respect, rise above bla, bla, bla. They are the problem more than china itself. And give these POS china company's a reason to be. Instead of bettering themselves, making more grip, saving and learning. I'm on a fixed income so I do understand having to be frugal. But not to the point of being socalled penny wise and pound foolish. They will never do any real testing on there own. They will never have a amp clamp, multimeter, Apogee or even the skills to utilize them or even the basic knowledge to use a simple ohm's law calculator online, much less do the real math. And then there is spectrum of which is so far above there heads they will never understand or be able to test or what that means in reality. I want to follow this china junk light grow that @ninjadip is spewing about. I want to see them take a 1 day old seedling to 8 or 9 days with good root growth and tight nodes and control ppfd, temps and humidity. Here is a series of pics of a current grow in coco, Gaia Green, EWC, Recharge, Epson Salt under a HLG 100 V2 4000k from day 1 to current day 9. They are photo seedlings that have been under 24 hour lighting at 21" above coco level.

This post is so ridiculous I don't know where to start and won't address it all.

Go look at the VAST MAJORITY of grow journals on this forum, there almost all using Chinese manufactured grow lights and equipment. I know you already know this, so that's why I am really confused.

Also, I am assuming half the shit you buy, like the vast majority of Americans, is Made in China products. I went and looked at one of your threads and sure enough you are running Made in China grow tents and other equipment.

So what exactly did you intend to bring to the conversation? Blanket statements that certain groups of people are "evil"? That's laughable, and has nothing to do with growing cannabis.

 

[beluga]

This is a crash course in why it's just about never beneficial to get into a pissing match over lighting.

It's live chicken to the alligator pen that is grow forums.

@ninjadip just keep doing you.

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

This is a crash course in why it's just about never beneficial to get into a pissing match over lighting.

It's live chicken to the alligator pen that is grow forums.

@ninjadip just keep doing you.

It's REDICULOUS. The fucking title of the thread is "CHEAP LED" and people come in here swinging like the OP is a grifter snake oil salesman trying to ruin the community here.

 

[ritoMox]

We'll be right back

 

[Anthem]

Are you serious?

You're reaching a lot here. The OP is not claiming his way is, "THE BEST".

Shane from Migro is not paid by "light companies" to review their lights. He is very knowledgeable and a trusted source in the community.

Shane has 100% reviewed commercial fixtures, quit making ignorant comments. Go ahead and make me prove it, I can.

Believe what you want. He shows NONE of the Top commercial LEDS in his top Lights for a 4’x 4’ tent.
Keep saying everything is made in China. I know for a fact my lights are not from China. If you want 2 pounds out of a 4’ x 4’ area you better spring for some better lights. Sure if you grow Blue Dream for 12 weeks maybe. But how wants an old strain these days.

 

[ninjadip]

Are you serious?

You're reaching a lot here. The OP is not claiming his way is, "THE BEST".

Shane from Migro is not paid by "light companies" to review their lights. He is very knowledgeable and a trusted source in the community.

Shane has 100% reviewed commercial fixtures, quit making ignorant comments. Go ahead and make me prove it, I can.

I'm glad someone can quote correctly and understands the message.

Anthem:
My way is not even close to the best, I just want to experiment,I know I've used that word many times here.
A sheep follows others, I want to experiment, trial and error, I want to learn why. I should be allowed to try, without bias or hate...

Migro is straight legit. If you've never heard of him, you don't know the industry. He's up there with my main man Bruce Bugbee, who's lectures I have studied.
I know the peeps doing the research out there.

 

[ninjadip]

Believe what you want. He shows NONE of the Top commercial LEDS in his top Lights for a 4’x 4’ tent.
Keep saying everything is made in China. I know for a fact my lights are not from China. If you want 2 pounds out of a 4’ x 4’ area you better spring for some better lights. Sure if you grow Blue Dream for 12 weeks maybe. But how wants an old strain these days.

I don't think I ever mentioned a list of what I think are good lights other than HLG.
I don't remember making a top light for 4x4 list....

That is not at all what this thread is about.

 

[Anthem]

I'm glad someone can quote correctly and understands the message.

Anthem:
My way is not even close to the best, I just want to experiment,I know I've used that word many times here.
A sheep follows others, I want to experiment, trial and error, I want to learn why. I should be allowed to try, without bias or hate...

Migro is straight legit. If you've never heard of him, you don't know the industry. He's up there with my main man Bruce Bugbee, who's lectures I have studied.
I know the peeps doing the research out there.

He gets paid or free lights to do his reviews. If you believe his top picks are the best you are just eating the pie he is serving.
They all grow plants, but you also mentioned your goal 2 pounds in a 4’x4’. That takes more than most can do

 

[Anthem]

I don't think I ever mentioned a list of what I think are good lights other than HLG.
I don't remember making a top light for 4x4 list....

That is not at all what this thread is about.

Behind enemy lines said that

 

[ninjadip]

He gets paid or free lights to do his reviews. If you believe his top picks are the best you are just eating the pie he is serving.
They all grow plants, but you also mentioned your goal 2 pounds in a 4’x4’. That takes more than most can do

I also mentioned the word ambitious after that. Look it up

 

[beluga]

Keep saying everything is made in China. I know for a fact my lights are not from China

Fair enough.
I forgot about the superior manufacturing quality that comes out of Mexico and Vietnam.

 

[Anthem]

Are you serious?

You're reaching a lot here. The OP is not claiming his way is, "THE BEST".

Shane from Migro is not paid by "light companies" to review their lights. He is very knowledgeable and a trusted source in the community.

Shane has 100% reviewed commercial fixtures, quit making ignorant comments. Go ahead and make me prove it, I

Guy has 2 mars hydro lights on his top pics for a 4’x4’ tent. How many of you realize Mars got kicked off this forum?

 

[Anthem]

Mars another Chinese Company ripping people off. I have owned a total of 3 of their lights. 1 purple that ran for 1.5 years before I quit using it. Gave that and a TS 1000 to a widow along with another TS1000 that needed a new driver. Two drivers blew within 3 weeks of each other. When I hit them up with the exact same problem they want all the same stuff again. Make it hard in the consumer so they will not try to return the light.

 

[ritoMox]

Fire one up and crank these rock'n muddafugga's!

 

[ninjadip]

It's hard for me to condemn a nation on a handful of bad experiences over a lifetime of using Chinese manufactured stuff. This thread is not about China, start another thread

 

[Blastfact]

This post is so ridiculous I don't know where to start and won't address it all.

Go look at the VAST MAJORITY of grow journals on this forum, there almost all using Chinese manufactured grow lights and equipment. I know you already know this, so that's why I am really confused.

Also, I am assuming half the shit you buy, like the vast majority of Americans, is Made in China products. I went and looked at one of your threads and sure enough you are running Made in China grow tents and other equipment.

So what exactly did you intend to bring to the conversation? Blanket statements that certain groups of people are "evil"? That's laughable, and has nothing to do with growing cannabis.

He gets paid or free lights to do his reviews. If you believe his top picks are the best you are just eating the pie he is serving.
They all grow plants, but you also mentioned your goal 2 pounds in a 4’x4’. That takes more than most can do

It's a shame MIGRO/Shane has sold out. Most don't know he has his own shop and is all about whats best for him and his. It's funny how when he changed to SpotOn Meters and did some really bone head cell phone meter testing it became clear where he was going and how he planned to get there. Being a shop owner you would think he would comment on warranty and customer service on the lights he test and sells. But,,, no,,, thats very matter of fact, like he hasn't a real working clue. When you know he has true real world experience. Put me right off on buying his lights and vague specs when you really get to digging.

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

Believe what you want. He shows NONE of the Top commercial LEDS in his top Lights for a 4’x 4’ tent.
Keep saying everything is made in China. I know for a fact my lights are not from China. If you want 2 pounds out of a 4’ x 4’ area you better spring for some better lights. Sure if you grow Blue Dream for 12 weeks maybe. But how wants an old strain these days.

He’s done at least one review on a ChilLed Growcraft Commercial light. You’re right though, I don’t think he shows any commercial models in his top picks.

Then again, i’m fairly certain he is just trying to target his primary demographic which is not commercial.

I am sincerely curious what lights you’re running.