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Hello everyone, I am a fairly seasoned grower and have been gardening for the past decade or so. I have 3 plants of the same strain that I am familiar with growing. The strain is Critical. Two of the plants in this grow look how I would have expected, same growth patterns and leaf structure, etc...

One of the plants however exhibits a puzzling few characteristics I have never encountered. The leaves of the plant have been off since it's first set of true leaves. They are sort of underdeveloped looking and have a crinkled papery sort of look and feel. They never seem to mature and bulk out like they normally would. As well as the leaf symptoms the plant has very spindly stems and the newest growth has a very light color. When the symptoms were first noticed I thought it was a nitrogen excess, but now there is also some mottling and a generally lighter color which makes me doubt this. A few of the tips have a bit of burn but nothing serious.

Anyways more about the grow itself. All the plants ( 5 total, 2 other ones are a different strain, Crystal, and doing fine) are under a 400w MH lamp that is air cooled. There is a light breeze from an oscillating fan blowing just above the canopy and the plant in question is the furthest from it. The environment stays very comfortable at 72-76 degrees and stays consistently at 50-55%RH. Lamp is ~14" from the canopy.

The plants are growing in Fox Farm Coco Loko which is a soil mix with I think 50% coco and some organic amendments. It seems to be a bit of a hot mix, but my other plants are loving it with very little signs of nutrient excess. The 2 Crystals have a tiny bit of tip curl, but no full clawing or anything like that. They are a bit dark but growing well. I have only fed these plants nutrients twice at a pretty low EC of around 850, they have also all had a dose of diluted fish emulsion. All other nutrition has come solely from the medium. Twice transplanted and now in 3.5 gal containers. Watering every 2-3 days when they need it with PH adjusted tap water to about 6.0. My tap water is pretty good too, about 270 EC.

Anyway I hope that is enough detail to muster a few guesses as to what the problem may be. I have one confirmed male Crystal growing outside currently that I had planned to pollinate one of the Critical with and am wondering if maybe I should just sacrifice this questionable plant and pollinate the whole thing. I really wanted to preserve the Critical genetics as I favor this strain rather well, but if this could be some congenital problem I hesitate to use it as a parent. What do you guys think? Thanks a lot!

For reference, the plant with the yellow sticky card is the one having problems if it isn't obvious.
 

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Anybody care to chime in? I would really appreciate somebody else's opinion. I'm beginning to think this one isn't worth even going through the trouble of caring for through flower.
 
broad mites on first look is my guess
loupe and check closer please
Damn I didn't know that mite damage could look like that. The symptoms have been limited to this one plant for some time. If I discard the plant do you think any other line of treatment would be necessary? Would Spinosad be effective against them? I've had success with that for two spotted and red spider mites.
 
agreed- first you need proper diagnosis.
Might be just strange mutation that looks like broad mites. Somebody had a seedling looking like this without mites @Mikedin was that you? 😉
 
agreed- first you need proper diagnosis.
Might be just strange mutation that looks like broad mites. Somebody had a seedling looking like this without mites @Mikedin was that you? 😉
I am inclined to HOPE it is this. I just pulled off half a dozen affected leaves/growing tips and looked very carefully for about 20 mins with my loupe. I can't see anything crawling around or anything that looks like a mite. These fuckers are teeny tiny though aren't they? Eek I'm never one to accept confirmation through LACK of evidence. I took the plant outside to quarantine it and now my skin is crawling worrying about my others.... I guess all I can do now is wait to see if my other ones begin displaying symptoms?

What do y'all think, is a lack of sighting fair support for the whole mutation idea? I'm so used to seeing spider mites, they're so easily identified but this just has me so creeped out now. Ayiyiyi.

I mean, all my plants have shared close quarters for over a month at this point and this plant was runty from the start. It would only make sense that if it was mites they would have migrated over to at least another one of them by now right?
 
this is most prolly just genetic, it may or may not have an impact on bud growth, you won't know until you flower ...
 
I recently has a seedling that started out like this. Right from its first leaves they where raised at the edged and the leaves almost a crepe paper look/feel. I just went to have a look at it again and it seems to have sorted its shit out. I did give it a water/iso spray down a few days ago. If it was growing pain or broad mites I am not sure but thats what I thought it looked like. Their wierdness is less weird than it was an I never took a picture of the funkiness before unfortunately.

I snapped a shot of the leaves that were weird (less so now)and the current state which I would call normal.
 

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Anybody care to chime in? I would really appreciate somebody else's opinion. I'm beginning to think this one isn't worth even going through the trouble of caring for through flower.
Agree w/ Sunin, my first impression was mites as well, however where it's the only plant having that issue it could just be weird genetics, let us know!
 
me, personally, would not flower that plant, i would bin it and veg more the others to fill in the flower tent.

they are from seed?
 
me, personally, would not flower that plant, i would bin it and veg more the others to fill in the flower tent.

they are from seed?
This was my plan. I'm working on building out a larger room just for flowering and use this little chamber for veg only. I've only ever flowered three plants in there at a time and that was cramped.

They are from seed. I was really hoping to pollinate one of the females with a male I have, but I burned that sucker up real bad with neem the other day. Prognosis isn't looking so good, lmao.

I'm considering just setting the runty plant out with the male and letting them do their thing. If I find mites though it's getting burned.
 
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I recently has a seedling that started out like this. Right from its first leaves they where raised at the edged and the leaves almost a crepe paper look/feel. I just went to have a look at it again and it seems to have sorted its shit out. I did give it a water/iso spray down a few days ago. If it was growing pain or broad mites I am not sure but thats what I thought it looked like. Their wierdness is less weird than it was an I never took a picture of the funkiness before unfortunately.

I snapped a shot of the leaves that were weird (less so now)and the current state which I would call normal.
The young leaves do bear a similarity to how mine looked too, the first five leaf set had some fingers that curved to the side. No cupping or claw, just a flat curve to one side like a pinwheel. Very bizarre. Reeeeaaallly hoping it's just weak genes.
 
I don't know. Underdogs. She made it this far 😎
so instead of bin date with neemed almost to death male sounds better 🤣
 
Well I used the microscope and again spent twenty mins or so inspecting another half dozen leaves and a whole growing tip too. No movement. Lots of sessile trichomes visible, I imagine the notes are about that size yeah? Anything that looked round and bulbous was just stationary. I want to say it's not mites. I did look at some spider mites on a false indigo out in my landscape and they crawl and creep around. From what I read broad mites are very active so I feel like I would have seen them if they were present.

It's so strange, some of the leaves in the plant look somewhat normal while the majority look crinkled like I've described. Here's some pictures of the curving leaves as well as a leaf that looked normal. The leaf with my hand in the frame is the one that appears normal. There's only a few that seem to be okay. The rest of the plant just seems stunted and runty. Best way I can put it.
 

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I don't know. Underdogs. She made it this far 😎
so instead of bin date with neemed almost to death male sounds better 🤣
Lol here he is. He's pretty cooked. Not sure it will recover or not. Just gonna let it be.
 

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Well I used the microscope and again spent twenty mins or so inspecting another half dozen leaves and a whole growing tip too. No movement. Lots of sessile trichomes visible, I imagine the notes are about that size yeah? Anything that looked round and bulbous was just stationary. I want to say it's not mites. I did look at some spider mites on a false indigo out in my landscape and they crawl and creep around. From what I read broad mites are very active so I feel like I would have seen them if they were present.

It's so strange, some of the leaves in the plant look somewhat normal while the majority look crinkled like I've described. Here's some pictures of the curving leaves as well as a leaf that looked normal. The leaf with my hand in the frame is the one that appears normal. There's only a few that seem to be okay. The rest of the plant just seems stunted and runty. Best way I can put it.

well. she's just ugly and different so. mutations happen 😉 crooked leaves, freaks etc
They kinda match with Fritter Fry 🤣
 
well. she's just ugly and different so. mutations happen 😉 crooked leaves, freaks etc
They kinda match with Fritter Fry 🤣
So sad. It was such a beautiful looking plant until I doused it. Really thought it would make a nice stud. Hoping it pulls through. 🤞
 
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