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Hey there! ☮️ I know this question has been asked a gazillion times before but I just wanted to get you all's opinion about 16/8 vs 18/6 light cycle for Autoflowers/Cannabis. Keeping in mind that I also have Strawberry Apline Alexandria Heirloom Seeds in...
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SunshineSupergirl said:
Hey there! ☮️

I know this question has been asked a gazillion times before but I just wanted to get you all's opinion about 16/8 vs 18/6 light cycle for Autoflowers/Cannabis.

Keeping in mind that I also have Strawberry Apline Alexandria Heirloom Seeds in the same grow 🪴 window 🪟

I thought that 16 hours would be a good amount of time for both plants as I am growing critical Purple autoflowers.

I also have to consider cost of the extra 2 hours and weigh that versus the potential benefits.

Do cannabis autoflowers benefit from 18 hours on versus 16 or is that pretty much negligible?

Would 18 hours be too much for my strawberries?

I know a lot of you probably even do 20/4 and 24hr light cycles for Autoflowers, but I also have to consider the window is right next to my bed 🛏️ LOL 😅😂😎

GOTTA SLEEP SOMETIME!

My initial plan was to go with the 16/8 schedule.

Thoughts? 🙏🏼☮️🕉️
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if you flip an auto from 20-4/18-6 or 16-8 to 12-12 halfway through flower youll have even better results then keeping them stable all the way through. Theyll also almost always finish ripe, and on time. Just because you can finish them on veg schedule doesnt mean you should if you dont have to for some reason imho.

With every autoflower plant that exists pretty much this will be the case, marigolds to cannabis. Genuinely. Everyone ive managed to convince to give this a shot (only a few so far) report the exact same back.

my 2c on autoflower scheduling. I'll stand by it firm though lol.


you can even trick some autos into vegging longer before flower by starting them at 12, 14 or 16, then changing them to 20-24 once you see preflowers. Them bump your yields and finish times by dropping to 12/12 halfway through flower and increasing light intensity to compensate.

@capone304
 
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Thatoneguyyouknow_ said:
if you flip an auto from 20-4/18-6 or 16-8 to 12-12 halfway through flower youll have even better results then keeping them stable all the way through. Theyll also almost always finish ripe, and on time. Just because you can finish them on veg schedule doesnt mean you should if you dont have to for some reason imho.

With every autoflower plant that exists pretty much this will be the case, marigolds to cannabis. Genuinely. Everyone ive managed to convince to give this a shot (only a few so far) report the exact same back.

my 2c on autoflower scheduling. I'll stand by it firm though lol.


you can even trick some autos into vegging longer before flower by starting them at 12, 14 or 16, then changing them to 20-24 once you see preflowers. Them bump your yields and finish times by dropping to 12/12 halfway through flower and increasing light intensity to compensate.

@capone304
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This is 100% true I have a strawberry gorilla 10 weed need to harvest auto I stalled out flowering until week 8 she's now 11 weeks in and 3rd week of flower and one of the fastbuds reps told me I have the biggest strawberry gorilla he's seen did same shit with my gorilla pie auto stalled out flower until weeks 8-9 and she's now pollen sax the owner of smoking monkey genetics sales picture he said it was also the biggest highest yield gorilla pie he had seen as soon as flower is nice and established I flip em to 12/12 n these autos thrive the 24 hours light shits a joke man
 
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capone304 said:
This is 100% true I have a strawberry gorilla 10 weed need to harvest auto I stalled out flowering until week 8 she's now 11 weeks in and 3rd week of flower and one of the fastbuds reps told me I have the biggest strawberry gorilla he's seen did same shit with my gorilla pie auto stalled out flower until weeks 8-9 and she's now pollen sax the owner of smoking monkey genetics sales picture he said it was also the biggest highest yield gorilla pie he had seen as soon as flower is nice and established I flip em to 12/12 n these autos thrive the 24 hours light shits a joke man
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This is where those freak shows came from I bought @Thatoneguyyouknow_
 

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#62,525
Thatoneguyyouknow_ said:
if you flip an auto from 20-4/18-6 or 16-8 to 12-12 halfway through flower youll have even better results then keeping them stable all the way through. Theyll also almost always finish ripe, and on time. Just because you can finish them on veg schedule doesnt mean you should if you dont have to for some reason imho.

With every autoflower plant that exists pretty much this will be the case, marigolds to cannabis. Genuinely. Everyone ive managed to convince to give this a shot (only a few so far) report the exact same back.

my 2c on autoflower scheduling. I'll stand by it firm though lol.


you can even trick some autos into vegging longer before flower by starting them at 12, 14 or 16, then changing them to 20-24 once you see preflowers. Them bump your yields and finish times by dropping to 12/12 halfway through flower and increasing light intensity to compensate.

@capone304
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Wow so I didn't think it was necessary to switch an auto to 1212 cycle.

So is every Autoflower able to be tricked into vegging longer?

Does every Auto flower respond well to switching to 1212 when you see flowers?

My only concern is this would affect my strawberries and they are taking a longer time to grow in fact they take about 2 weeks potentially to germinate.

My critical purple autoflowers are supposed to be somewhere between 10:00 and 12 weeks total grow time.

So I guess I could just stick with 16 hours since that's better for my lights and for my sleep schedule.

If there's no benefit from doing 18 versus 16, then I guess I'll just do 16 and maybe try that 12-hour trick.

But I thought only photo periods needed the 1212 cycle?☀️
 
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BB22 said:
Looks odd . Tipping these pots for a bit. Trying to help saturate the entire medium 🤓✌️💨

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If you leave them that way long enough your plants will train themselves upright. I grew one at a 45 degree angle, all the branches grew towards the light, the whole side facing downward redirected its growth to the other side towards the light.
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#62,527
SunshineSupergirl said:
Hey there! ☮️

I know this question has been asked a gazillion times before but I just wanted to get you all's opinion about 16/8 vs 18/6 light cycle for Autoflowers/Cannabis.

Keeping in mind that I also have Strawberry Apline Alexandria Heirloom Seeds in the same grow 🪴 window 🪟

I thought that 16 hours would be a good amount of time for both plants as I am growing critical Purple autoflowers.

I also have to consider cost of the extra 2 hours and weigh that versus the potential benefits.

Do cannabis autoflowers benefit from 18 hours on versus 16 or is that pretty much negligible?

Would 18 hours be too much for my strawberries?

I know a lot of you probably even do 20/4 and 24hr light cycles for Autoflowers, but I also have to consider the window is right next to my bed 🛏️ LOL 😅😂😎

GOTTA SLEEP SOMETIME!

My initial plan was to go with the 16/8 schedule.

Thoughts? 🙏🏼☮️🕉️
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I’ve run them 18/6 and 20/4 without much notable difference. If you get ultra technical you can figure out how DLI works and maximize your lights at almost any ratio. That’s above my pay grade though, but it’s an option.
 
#62,530
SunshineSupergirl said:
Wow so I didn't think it was necessary to switch an auto to 1212 cycle.

So is every Autoflower able to be tricked into vegging longer?

Does every Auto flower respond well to switching to 1212 when you see flowers?

My only concern is this would affect my strawberries and they are taking a longer time to grow in fact they take about 2 weeks potentially to germinate.

My critical purple autoflowers are supposed to be somewhere between 10:00 and 12 weeks total grow time.

So I guess I could just stick with 16 hours since that's better for my lights and for my sleep schedule.

If there's no benefit from doing 18 versus 16, then I guess I'll just do 16 and maybe try that 12-hour trick.

But I thought only photo periods needed the 1212 cycle?☀️
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I don't do it when I see flowers forming I do it when they are well established like week 3 of flower also start ur auto in a 4 gallon pot or ur final pot I've NVR went smaller that 4 gallons and I feed every single watering about 400-500 ppm once she's in full blown veg
 
#62,531
Thatoneguyyouknow_ said:
I love that he assumed you must be a youtube or instagram grower 🤣 🤣


Hell, maybe you should be... Start bringing in them ad-bucks and sponsorship deals.
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That's funny isn't it I'm making videos but I'll NVR sell out and take money for ads and sponsorship deals no way In hell I'ma push shit on people that is crap like some these YouTubers do half the shit I bought watching those guys sits in a bucket and NVR gets used now that I half ass know what I'm doing I am growing some testers for him now and shit so I guess he's kinda sponsoring few of my grows right? I sent u a few of his unreleased beans he's a pretty good guy tho rough around the edges straight shooter and doesn't push bullshit on people he also tells people when their shit doesn't work lol
 
#62,532
Thatoneguyyouknow_ said:
I love that he assumed you must be a youtube or instagram grower 🤣 🤣


Hell, maybe you should be... Start bringing in them ad-bucks and sponsorship deals. Much appreciation from mom and me both sir.
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And Instagram can eat my arse I dunno how these people keep their pages from what I've seen they are constantly getting their pages banned for grow pics n vlogs
 
#62,533
SunshineSupergirl said:
Wow so I didn't think it was necessary to switch an auto to 1212 cycle.

So is every Autoflower able to be tricked into vegging longer?

Does every Auto flower respond well to switching to 1212 when you see flowers?

My only concern is this would affect my strawberries and they are taking a longer time to grow in fact they take about 2 weeks potentially to germinate.

My critical purple autoflowers are supposed to be somewhere between 10:00 and 12 weeks total grow time.

So I guess I could just stick with 16 hours since that's better for my lights and for my sleep schedule.

If there's no benefit from doing 18 versus 16, then I guess I'll just do 16 and maybe try that 12-hour trick.

But I thought only photo periods needed the 1212 cycle?☀️
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Auto flower varieties are a genetic cross between cannabis sativa and cannabis ruderalis. Ruderalis is native to northern hemisphere where growing season is short and days average 15-24 hours of daylight at the height of summer. This causes the plant to flower without shortening daylight hours. So that’s half the genetics of an autoflower, the other half being photo period which responds to I think longer dark periods. I think 🤔. So it makes sense that you can manipulate light cycles to direct the plant growth and metamorphosis. Pretty cool stuff.
 
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#62,537
MartyMcFly42oh said:
I’ve run them 18/6 and 20/4 without much notable difference. If you get ultra technical you can figure out how DLI works and maximize your lights at almost any ratio. That’s above my pay grade though, but it’s an option.
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Excellent!

I've got my PFFD meter configured for my light types.

I'm currently reading 150-165 at the canopy level right now, except for the strawberry on the 1st platform it's reading at 110-120 as it's off to the sides, upstairs Strawberries 105-110 within the 100-200 range for seeds, seedlings.

Current temps 78 degrees average, humidity 66-71%
 
#62,538
capone304 said:
I don't do it when I see flowers forming I do it when they are well established like week 3 of flower also start ur auto in a 4 gallon pot or ur final pot I've NVR went smaller that 4 gallons and I feed every single watering about 400-500 ppm once she's in full blown veg
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I can only fit the 3 gallons in there.

I don't have any other pots bigger. 🥴
 
#62,539
MartyMcFly42oh said:
Auto flower varieties are a genetic cross between cannabis sativa and cannabis ruderalis. Ruderalis is native to northern hemisphere where growing season is short and days average 15-24 hours of daylight at the height of summer. This causes the plant to flower without shortening daylight hours. So that’s half the genetics of an autoflower, the other half being photo period which responds to I think longer dark periods. I think 🤔. So it makes sense that you can manipulate light cycles to direct the plant growth and metamorphosis. Pretty cool stuff.
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Okay cool! ❤️

Critical Purple 💜 indica dominant think about 80/20😎

Yeah I know about the ruderalis. 🤓
 
#62,540
SunshineSupergirl said:
Wow so I didn't think it was necessary to switch an auto to 1212 cycle.

So is every Autoflower able to be tricked into vegging longer?

Does every Auto flower respond well to switching to 1212 when you see flowers?

My only concern is this would affect my strawberries and they are taking a longer time to grow in fact they take about 2 weeks potentially to germinate.

My critical purple autoflowers are supposed to be somewhere between 10:00 and 12 weeks total grow time.

So I guess I could just stick with 16 hours since that's better for my lights and for my sleep schedule.

If there's no benefit from doing 18 versus 16, then I guess I'll just do 16 and maybe try that 12-hour trick.

But I thought only photo periods needed the 1212 cycle?☀️
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it isnt necessary. Pretty much all autos will flower out under a veg schedule pretty fine. Every now and then you get one that wont finish quite all the way at 16+ hrs though.

But yes, every auto responds well to this. And i've never seen one finished under 12/12 that didnt stack and ripen better then one at 16+.... But Id reccomend waiting til theyre been flowering for a few weeks at whatever your normal cycle is, then flipping to 12/12 and raising light intensity 30-40%after the 12/12 flip



This is what my janky AI has to say about strawberries and photoperiods.

  • Photoperiod and Strawberry Flowering:
    Strawberry flowering is influenced by the length of daylight and darkness, a phenomenon known as photoperiodism.

  • June-bearing Cultivars:
    These cultivars are considered short-day plants, meaning they flower best when exposed to shorter periods of daylight and longer periods of darkness.

  • Everbearing Cultivars:
    These cultivars are facultative long-day plants, meaning they flower best under longer days, but can also flower under shorter days if temperatures are below 16°C.

  • Day-neutral Cultivars:
    These cultivars are less sensitive to photoperiod and can flower regardless of day length, but temperature and other factors still play a role.

    Other Factors:
    While photoperiod is a key factor, other factors like temperature, light intensity, and water availability also influence strawberry flowering and fruit production
 
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