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Preservations, Reproductions, Heirlooms, Landraces, Rare Genetics

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Preservations, Reproductions, Heirlooms, Landraces, Rare Genetics

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To suggest throwing these genetics in the trash is not only dismissive but deeply disrespectful to the years of dedication and hard work invested in preserving and understanding this strain. Consider the breeder who poured their heart and soul into creating something truly unique, and the many individuals who have spent countless hours refining and nurturing its potential. Discarding it so carelessly undermines all of that effort, as well as the legacy it represents. It’s not just a plant—it’s a testament to passion, perseverance, and ingenuity. Treating it as disposable is a disservice to everyone who values and respects its history. Wouldn't you agree? @logic

@GNick55 It’s exactly this kind of careless attitude that explains why the original breeder was hesitant to release it to the masses in the first place.
Variegation is genetically unhealthy. It's not a success from pollinating a plant. Impaired photosynthesis, stunted growth and development, increased susceptibility to diseases, are known facts about this genetic mutation and are well documented. It's not a win. But you have to pretend it is something fantastic so your ego isn't hurt, and you dont look foolish. Go on console yourself some more.
 
well it has both variegation and albinism, this could be considered as desired traits in the ornemental plants world.
 
tho' i'd be curious to see some lab analysis of the cannabinoid and terpene content of such specimen as well as how productive they are as compared to some others and see how that really impact.
 
tho' i'd be curious to see some lab analysis of the cannabinoid and terpene content of such specimen as well as how productive they are as compared to some others and see how that really impact.
I know these studies exist. Do you have trouble finding them? You may have to limit your search settings to scholarly articles only, or just use a website like pubmed or frontiers, whatever.
 
I know these studies exist. Do you have trouble finding them? You may have to limit your search settings to scholarly articles only, or just use a website like pubmed or frontiers, whatever.
i have tried a few queries with google and google scholar without much success finding detailed report on such varieties.
 
i have tried a few queries with google and google scholar without much success finding detailed report on such varieties.
It likely exists for other plants like tobacco and vegetables and such. Botanical studies cover many types of plants and may not be specialized to only strawberries, only lilies, or only cannabis. The results you got might still be relevant. For example if tobacco mosaic virus, or genetic anamolies is in the title or abstract, more relevant information could be there but you have to go deeper into the publication in many cases. If the plant lacks chlorophyll in areas, compared to a healthy plant, its obviously going to be weaker at photosynthesis. There is the obvious and the other not so obvious must be found through deeper study. Its not always easy to sift through the information. General understanding will bring answers eventually. Keep digging.
 
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It likely exists for other plants like tobacco and vegetables and such. Botanical studies cover many types of plants and may not be specialized to only strawberries, only lilies, or only cannabis. The results you got might still be relevant. For example if tobacco mosaic virus, or genetic anamolies is in the title or abstract, more relevant information could be there but you have to go deeper into the publication in many cases.
adjusted the queries and found this:


a study conducted between a variegated and non variegated species, tho the sum up doesn't tell much about the actual numbers and i don't want to register to download the full article and eventually access more detailed datas.
 
adjusted the queries and found this:


a study conducted between a variegated and non variegated species, tho the sum up doesn't tell much about the actual numbers and i don't want to register to download the full article and eventually access more detailed datas.
What can help is a different approach. You study genetic anomalies in plants, and then apply that knowledge to whatever plant is of interest. Because the query is actually genetic anomalies, diseases, pathogens etc. These effect plants throughout the plant kingdom. Limiting to only cannabis is not helpful, as you found out. Change to focus from cannabis to genetic anomalies in plants. As cannabis becomes less stigmatized over time, more studies will be done on it specifically. Prohibition has limited research. Thankfully that has changed a little and many studies, short and long term are being done.

Remember that in scientific articles or studies, sativa means hemp. Indica indicates drug plants.
 
adjusted the queries
So instead of researching for information on a certain disease in the Etruscan Shrew, which may be very limited or not exist, it is more helpful to study the disease and how it presents in mammals, in the animal kingdom, then small mammals, and then apply that understanding to the Etruscan Srew. I hope that makes sense. Identify what information you need first, then narrow it to your particular focus, like cannabis. Or african violets. Whatever.
 
Or corn 🌽

I guess nobody here grows much of that lol. The corn we all love to eat comes from 2 parents that we wouldn't. Flint corn and Dent corn, both IBLs. The corn varieties we eat are crosses only available in seed from patent protected parents. If you try to cross it again you get the F2 generation and you loose all the hybrid vigor and are back to Flint and dent corn phenos.

If your goal is a TRUE F1 hybrid, you have to have true IBLs that have been carefully selected over time with very large populations to choose from. These IBLs are usually "crappy" plants on their own but because of their genetic uniformity we get the magic of hybrid vigor in the F1 generation.

Breeding any plant should be goal oriented.

This thread in the beginning, while not my style, was very goal oriented. I'll definitely give the op that.

And lastly, we are going to have TRUE F1 patented cannabis hybrids available very soon that will blow away what's currently available. With the genetic marking they're doing for things like PM resistance, chem profiles and flower time the cannabis market will eventually look a lot like corn 🌽
 
Or corn 🌽

I guess nobody here grows much of that lol. The corn we all love to eat comes from 2 parents that we wouldn't. Flint corn and Dent corn, both IBLs. The corn varieties we eat are crosses only available in seed from patent protected parents. If you try to cross it again you get the F2 generation and you loose all the hybrid vigor and are back to Flint and dent corn phenos.

If your goal is a TRUE F1 hybrid, you have to have true IBLs that have been carefully selected over time with very large populations to choose from. These IBLs are usually "crappy" plants on their own but because of their genetic uniformity we get the magic of hybrid vigor in the F1 generation.

Breeding any plant should be goal oriented.

This thread in the beginning, while not my style, was very goal oriented. I'll definitely give the op that.

And lastly, we are going to have TRUE F1 patented cannabis hybrids available very soon that will blow away what's currently available. With the genetic marking they're doing for things like PM resistance, chem profiles and flower time the cannabis market will eventually look a lot like corn 🌽
Minus the Roundup?
 
Or corn 🌽

I guess nobody here grows much of that lol. The corn we all love to eat comes from 2 parents that we wouldn't. Flint corn and Dent corn, both IBLs. The corn varieties we eat are crosses only available in seed from patent protected parents. If you try to cross it again you get the F2 generation and you loose all the hybrid vigor and are back to Flint and dent corn phenos.

If your goal is a TRUE F1 hybrid, you have to have true IBLs that have been carefully selected over time with very large populations to choose from. These IBLs are usually "crappy" plants on their own but because of their genetic uniformity we get the magic of hybrid vigor in the F1 generation.

Breeding any plant should be goal oriented.

This thread in the beginning, while not my style, was very goal oriented. I'll definitely give the op that.

And lastly, we are going to have TRUE F1 patented cannabis hybrids available very soon that will blow away what's currently available. With the genetic marking they're doing for things like PM resistance, chem profiles and flower time the cannabis market will eventually look a lot like corn 🌽
That's in the study I posted, it shows a plan for F1s. https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/plant-science/articles/10.3389/fpls.2020.573299/full
 
Wow this thread is off the rail. The title caught my attention. The topic interests me. I'm just a medical tent grower. I have dabbled in producing seeds. Up to F3 moving towards F5 with a lightly crossed/landrace strain. After F5 I'll go to S1 and rename the strain. This project is stalled. In 3 grows the F3 have only produced females
 

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I don’t hear anybody complaining about Chemdog D’s tendency to variegate! A lot of these old land races were collected 30 or 40 years ago and are no longer available at the source! The only reason they are available now is because some growers perpetuate the strain, usually through open pollination! I think there’s a big difference between preserving a plant as close to original as possible and going out of your way to improve the plant! The way the forest are getting chopped down if it wasn’t for preservationists a lot of these plant species would just fade into extinction! Political turmoil, and the introduction of modern genetics into the gene pool threaten a lot of Landrace strains! Trying to collect beans nowadays in Al-Qaeda country is a good way to fade into extinction yourself! Lol! Just two cents!
 
The few triploid strains that are out there might be a glimpse into the future! Supposed to be more vigorous, potent, earlier flowering, mold, and pest resistant, etc.! But 99% sterile! A good way to retain your proprietary interest and keep people coming back for seeds! But if the plants are that much better, that might not be a bad thing! And can definitely be a good thing if you live in a housing track with a bunch of knuckleheads, polluting the environment with pollen in the fall, in the name of, breeding!😂 i’ve grown one and didn’t see a huge improvement! Maybe a little! But that’s pretty small sample size! I can see their potential!😁🐒
 
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