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[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

As soon as I started treating my autos different than my photos the plan started to work. I had a Nitrogen issue cause I topped dressed it like an photo. I had a light issue when I went passed DLI cause I had not done proper research on DLI. I trained my first 2 autos like a photo with absolutely shitty funny ass runs that would have made perfect sense if the stretch would have given another 8 inches of stem.
I was neutral on autos when I bought them then pissed about loosing 2/3rds of my seedlings now with my 2nd set looking like they should I think they have a spot in my tent. 2 auto and 2 photo runs a year.

lol, capone tends to end up with autos about twice the size they are supposed to be, and some of his plants are now the official breeder stock photos for them lol.

If youre running both, there is literally no way to argue that autos arent just a money making novelty for 99% of growers lol. I only run autos if i have the seeds and someone gave them to me.

im not saying there isnt context where autos arent the obviously appropriate choice of plant to make, but they are still essentially novelty retail products that serve the soul purpose of generating repeat, and reliable income for a seed bank or breeder lol.

9/10 growers that buy your photo seeds pick a pheno and run clones of it, and you never see them again. Autos are job security more then they are a viable cash crop for anything other than generating large amounts of thc distillate for commercial extracts through fast field turn around cycles. You can root a photo clone, throw it straight into flower after like a week veg, and the entire process will be done in tandem with, and yield more than your average auto, even if you start it in a large container and keep it dialed in, and the plant was free, as well as consistent with its own expression the next time you grow it as well.


I have yet to come up with, personally, a context where a clone of an appropriate photo wont out perform an auto in the same turn around times. Its the whole reason i only run em if theyre given to me.

And its not for lack of trying either. I just cant come up with a valid reason for their existence beyond early outdoor harvests (total crapshoot in most regions with autos to start) and generating stable seedbank revenue. Every single other context i see people running them, they would genuinely be better off with clones of a photo that meets their requirements in a flower time or profile quality.

Autos also flower out better at 12/12 with heightened light intensity just like a photoperiod, and they yield more outdoors if you time them to be flowering along side photos too, instead of mid summer. They also rot less when you do that. Autos defeat their own purpose for existing in 99% of contexts by their very nature imho.

 

[Ninjadogma]

Those aiwa book shelf stero’s were sweet, I had one too. Pretty high quality stuff for mid tier prices. Had an aiwa discman and headphones that were a fixture in my life for years through high school.

When my wife and I got married we used some of our gift money to buy a set of Yamaha bookshelf speakers. 30+ years later I have audiophile friends who geek out over those speakers. I'm told they were the shit if you wanted quality audio with limited space and many folks have used them for studio monitors. Had no idea when we bought them, it was a good deal for speakers we wanted for our first apartment.

 

[PlumberSoCal2]

Autos are pussies man I've NVR had issues with my photos it's always these gd autos either they don't like light or they don't like food there is no in-between I'ma can every single auto seeds I have

3-4 years ago I played with the idea of growing nothing but autos. Notice I'm not growing any autos today? Oh they grew like crazy, never had an issue and I treated them like regs from transplanting to full nutes, never an issue, but they never produced more than quarter to a 3/4 oz. Fk that shit, but I never had any of problems that seem so common. Good luck

 

[MartyMcFly42oh]

You know my wife’s fibromyalgia has been fucking with her a whole lot lately. I should probably go ahead and just do it now that you mention that sorry to hear that your wife deals with that mine those two dude carpal tunnel and shit from sitting in a computer entire fucking life on top of that

I had a Dr friend who had a theory that fibromyalgia was brought on by a vitamin D deficiency in lots of cases. I don’t have the eight years of schooling and experience in the field to even begin to know how that could be, but he had pretty strong opinions about the subject , regardless.

 

[PlumberSoCal2]

I said it for months, but had 5 TikTok accounts that got banned talking about it, 99.9% those drones are our military and that was testing, no way they woulda just let them go lol

I'm currently waiting for Facistbook to do the same to me, actually today or tomorrow

I just checked and it says I've got to sign in. I'm getting the boot. Not the first time

 

[MartyMcFly42oh]

When my wife and I got married we used some of our gift money to buy a set of Yamaha bookshelf speakers. 30+ years later I have audiophile friends who geek out over those speakers. I'm told they were the shit if you wanted quality audio with limited space and many folks have used them for studio monitors. Had no idea when we bought them, it was a good deal for speakers we wanted for our first apartment.

I’ve still got the aiwa speakers as well as a set of yamaha tower speakers at my folks house with my old dj gear and vinyl collection. I miss blasting tunes and spinning records.

 

[Gmix]

 

[JIMKSI64]

lol, capone tends to end up with autos about twice the size they are supposed to be, and some of his plants are now the official breeder stock photos for them lol.

If youre running both, there is literally no way to argue that autos arent just a money making novelty for 99% of growers lol. I only run autos if i have the seeds and someone gave them to me.

im not saying there isnt context where autos arent the obviously appropriate choice of plant to make, but they are still essentially novelty retail products that serve the soul purpose of generating repeat, and reliable income for a seed bank or breeder lol.

9/10 growers that buy your photo seeds pick a pheno and run clones of it, and you never see them again. Autos are job security more then they are a viable cash crop for anything other than generating large amounts of thc distillate for commercial extracts through fast field turn around cycles. You can root a photo clone, throw it straight into flower after like a week veg, and the entire process will be done in tandem with, and yield more than your average auto, even if you start it in a large container and keep it dialed in, and the plant was free, as well as consistent with its own expression the next time you grow it as well.


I have yet to come up with, personally, a context where a clone of an appropriate photo wont out perform an auto in the same turn around times. Its the whole reason i only run em if theyre given to me.

And its not for lack of trying either. I just cant come up with a valid reason for their existence beyond early outdoor harvests (total crapshoot in most regions with autos to start) and generating stable seedbank revenue. Every single other context i see people running them, they would genuinely be better off with clones of a photo that meets their requirements in a flower time or profile quality.

Autos also flower out better at 12/12 with heightened light intensity just like a photoperiod, and they yield more outdoors if you time them to be flowering along side photos too, instead of mid summer. They also rot less when you do that. Autos defeat their own purpose for existing in 99% of contexts by their very nature imho.

I used to have the same opinion on cheap scan tools and substandard tooling. No place in the tool chest why would you buy something so limited get the factory tool or call a guy like me.
Turns out not everybody can do diagnostics even if they had the factory tooling.
I am not ready to clone yet, but I will get there. Perhaps once I clone I will agree.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

I used to have the same opinion on cheap scan tools and substandard tooling. No place in the tool chest why would you buy something so limited get the factory tool or call a guy like me.
Turns out not everybody can do diagnostics even if they had the factory tooling.
I am not ready to clone yet, but I will get there. Perhaps once I clone I will agree.

Cloning is definitely one of the first skills I recommend a new grower nails. It's gardening the same way sweet little old ladies have been doing it for a thousand years. It is quite literally basic plant propagation 101 when it comes to horticulture of anything that isn't a monocot

It's also one of the single easiest things you can do in your garden fwiw

If people can see my facial expression when I see newer growers say they're not ready to try cloning, like it's some kind of advanced skill set thing, it would be one of total confusion and bewilderment

Next time you have a photo just take like four little cuttings and see if you can get them to root, you'll probably be surprised and end up throwing away plants you don't need.

I was able to successfully clone the very first plant I ever grew, and I wasn't even able to successfully finish flowering it. But I got a second chance and I did finish that one lol

And I'm definitely trying to give you confidence, I'm not being an ass I'm just being honest. Cloning isn't a skillful growing technique or anything. You can do it a ton of different ways.

Starting an auto and getting a worthwhile result out of it is usually a lot more difficult than rooting a clone and reflowering it lol

You can even just stick an aquarium AirStone and pump from Walmart/Amazon for about 10 bucks through a notch in the lid of a small rubbermaid container filled with water, and then drop your cuttings through a hole in the lid into the water and leave that AirStone running. You'll prob have 100% rooting without using rooting hormone your first go tbh.

I use lots of cheap tools, and cheap grow gear too lol.

 

[closettrapper217]

Yard work worthy

 

[closettrapper217]

Mowing my moms lawn listening to this dude

 

[Putthataway]

The three finger I fell on has the heaviest tops

 

[Justlovetogrow]

You know my wife’s fibromyalgia has been fucking with her a whole lot lately. I should probably go ahead and just do it now that you mention that sorry to hear that your wife deals with that mine those two dude carpal tunnel and shit from sitting in a computer entire fucking life on top of that

Yea it sux for her for sure it all stems from when she was 30 the webbing on her brain over grew so it blocked the brain fluid from circulating causing hydrocephalus water on the brain she had to be flown to Hobart emergency brain surgery and ever since she’s had health problems she’s hard as fuck though way tougher than I am

 

[Justlovetogrow]

I had a Dr friend who had a theory that fibromyalgia was brought on by a vitamin D deficiency in lots of cases. I don’t have the eight years of schooling and experience in the field to even begin to know how that could be, but he had pretty strong opinions about the subject , regardless.
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That can’t be right my mrs gets plenty of vitamin D if ya know what I’m saying

 

[capone304]

as soon as you see hooking moving down the plant, even without changing the light, you have def determined its not the light or transpiration problem causing an issue, at least in your context.

your watering and dry back schedule shouldnt even allow root fungus or rot.

Calibrate your meter and check everything again, it should have come with some powders for that. Unfortunately the methodology your running, PH is vey important.

You can keep some reactive drops for measuring ph around too so you can keep tabs on the accuracy of your meter. theyre super cheap. youll go through them very quickly if you dont just use em to check your meters accuracy though.


You left the cap off your meter for a few days here and there, didnt ya? lmao. The cheaper ones hate that apparently. If so, doing that was likely the root of this particular future issue expressing atm.

Honestly the only thing I didn't do was rinse my meter every time other than that nothing different

lol, capone tends to end up with autos about twice the size they are supposed to be, and some of his plants are now the official breeder stock photos for them lol.

If youre running both, there is literally no way to argue that autos arent just a money making novelty for 99% of growers lol. I only run autos if i have the seeds and someone gave them to me.

im not saying there isnt context where autos arent the obviously appropriate choice of plant to make, but they are still essentially novelty retail products that serve the soul purpose of generating repeat, and reliable income for a seed bank or breeder lol.

9/10 growers that buy your photo seeds pick a pheno and run clones of it, and you never see them again. Autos are job security more then they are a viable cash crop for anything other than generating large amounts of thc distillate for commercial extracts through fast field turn around cycles. You can root a photo clone, throw it straight into flower after like a week veg, and the entire process will be done in tandem with, and yield more than your average auto, even if you start it in a large container and keep it dialed in, and the plant was free, as well as consistent with its own expression the next time you grow it as well.


I have yet to come up with, personally, a context where a clone of an appropriate photo wont out perform an auto in the same turn around times. Its the whole reason i only run em if theyre given to me.

And its not for lack of trying either. I just cant come up with a valid reason for their existence beyond early outdoor harvests (total crapshoot in most regions with autos to start) and generating stable seedbank revenue. Every single other context i see people running them, they would genuinely be better off with clones of a photo that meets their requirements in a flower time or profile quality.

Autos also flower out better at 12/12 with heightened light intensity just like a photoperiod, and they yield more outdoors if you time them to be flowering along side photos too, instead of mid summer. They also rot less when you do that. Autos defeat their own purpose for existing in 99% of contexts by their very nature imho.

I have grown some monster autos and I agree with this statement 100 fucking percent

 

[capone304]

3-4 years ago I played with the idea of growing nothing but autos. Notice I'm not growing any autos today? Oh they grew like crazy, never had an issue and I treated them like regs from transplanting to full nutes, never an issue, but they never produced more than quarter to a 3/4 oz. Fk that shit, but I never had any of problems that seem so common. Good luck

I've gotten nearly a QP outa 3 of my 4 autos I've grown to harvest and 2 of the 4 are now the genetics companies sales pictures they are just sensitive ass pussies when it comes to light and nutrients it's so easy to fuck em em I swear they are bred to be this way so they can make money selling u gimmicks to fix these issues that only create more issues

 

[Putthataway]

 

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[Mikedin]

Frostette dryin away