Hi there, new, showing off my plant

[Jamesjames]

https://www.thcfarmer.com/kg1/ignore

https://www.thcfarmer.com/testtime/ignore

just follow the link

Thank you

 

[TestTime]

It seems like someone has to make a decision.

What am I lying about?

Have I turned off the lights and I'm still blasting it? Have I faked everything just for the pictures? Have I used AI to cut and paste and expand those buds?

Is it even really cannabis? Maybe it's fucking hemp.

Is it all dry and crumbling away? Is it all soaked and the mist is making it worse and God damn it. I have to have mold showing up.

Which one will it be? It can't be both. It's contradictory. Pick one.

You have to find a side of attack. But I'm open on all sides because you don't know what the fuck is going on.

The last attack was worthless because you were attacking something that didn't exist. Nothing had crumbled in any of those pictures, they kept growing. It was a cold wet grow and those hot spots....

They didn't exist. I wanted to see your reaction.

Like I said, I am happy to lie directly to you.

I'm sure you lie to me and everybody else but there's just no point in hassling you over it. You'll just go. Oops, I made a mistake. You're filled with those types of lies. I called you on one of them and you simply backpedaled. Just no point in arguing with any specifics with you. It us 90% rambling bullshit attacks. Why the hell would I respond to that?

Instead, I'll feed you random things to attack.

You ignore the true color progression. You hook on your historical viewpoint. It was a good viewpoint. But it's fading.

But one thing you're sure of. It might be real. That asshole might have figured it out. And that asshole might actually commercialize it.

Whole bunch mights.

And if it's real?

Your whole fucking life crumbles if you are an outdoor grower and that's how your income shows up. It'll drive prices down. It'll fuck you over.

Even if this isn't your income stream, you've got an enormous amount of ego invested in this. You do have lots of knowledge. You can spit stuff out and analyze stuff really quickly. You ain't stupid. But it's your life. It's how you identify yourself.

If some random asshole, such an obvious novice, with extreme lack of knowledge can do this, what the fuck does that mean about you?

This is the unicorn that everyone said can't be done. Guess what. I did it.

What happened to your value?

A wasted life.

My father was an accountant for 40 years.

He filled out really long yellow pads with numbers and added them all up and multiplied them all out with a crank adding machine. Later on it turned into a tape trail calculator. This was his life. This was his identity.

I set up a CP/M computer with Multiplan. This was years before MS-Dos. Multi-
plan was a great spreadsheet. I think visicalc was the first but I'm not sure.

So anyway, I thought I was doing him a favor.

Look Dad. You don't need that adding machine anymore. This does it all for you.

He fucking crumbled. He saw that thing and said my God, I just wasted 40 years of my life.

That's what these types of changes do.

Have you wasted your life? How much of it is invested

Well light and heat are radiation conduction and convection and we need to break everything down into those metrics.

Light and air do not have the energy to interact with each other and so light cannot directly heat air.

Light must strike a surface and indirectly be propagated out as conduction or convection both involve heating adjacent molocules.

Any temp or humidity probe is also sensitive to light radiation, it will thus heat up past the air temperature and read falsely also lowering humidity again falsely.

Other disciplines goto great lengths to shield their air reading equipment from light radiation (also wind) as they caused false readings.

If I remember correctly there were probes that cost a ton more and had a workaround so that they did read true in the light but more simply done the meteorological office just made a square louvred box to cover the instrument and shield it from wind and sunlight. I believe they use a newer system now and an all in one type device.

Your infrared thermometer will read only surface temperatures and even then they are wildly inaccurate in places and situations. It's not very effective for air monitoring and general heat but it will tell you the outer temperature of a leaf although this isn't our concern and another involved subject.

We can apply this concept to most things even create an energy budget of input and output. A leaf warms via radiation, it then conducts some of that heat back into water that it expels through stomata back into the air and the rest as convection as air passes the outer layer of the leaf.

A simple but beautiful cycle that allows us to visualise the laws of thermodynamics of light and heat.

Adding in wind to try and cool plants isn't a great idea, plants like the air to move but over a certain level say 1.0m/s you see firstly no gain and then well above that two things- the stomata close to try and conserve water and the leaf is cooled to well under the air temperature affecting photosynthesis.

Labs will use a form of lamina flow set by a series of small tubes or more traditionally like us with vents at one end and extraction at the other creating a smooth flow through the whole canopy.

Barely receivable by us more like a very gentle breeze on a sunny day barely moving a leaf, best I've seen it described without using a costly anemometer. Your exponentially past the level we would want and most plants fit into.

No bad conditions made good growth or more growth in plants defining each species requirements. It's strange you would even try this approach and as to treating like mushrooms, the two aren't even closely related in any way or how they work with one spending all but short periods living below ground.

On another note still not seeing any magic mushrooms, been picking found nothing, friend found a small patch but it's still to warm here in the UK, for that I need colder temperatures and morning dews. Really sucks here in the United Kingdom except for golf

Thank you. That was amazing.

It included bits that I could respond to and engage with but I won't for the moment simply because number one. I'm not doing any of that, as I posted later, and yes, I understand that gentle breeze.

This is my thermal camera:

Amazon.com

It doesn't matter if it's accurate. It matters if it shows a hotspot. Or a cold spot. I bought it to find insulation leaks. I just need to find where it's different. So I get a great total image and then I can focus in on a color and go. Yep that's the spot I need to pay attention to.

But I don't do any of this for this plant. I turned the lights down and backed them off and I put shields in front of them just to cut that last little bit off. I have black mesh bags that I hang in front of them. I probably cut out 3/4 of what's in front of them from those bags.

I'm 75 w at 3 ft away and it's having great effect. Those lights are the barest bit of warm at a quarter inch away. I only use one or two at a time as I rotate around for a couple days because I want to draw the growth a certain direction. It's visible. I like to watch it. I'm trying to keep the plant in a single spot so I can judge the growth of the different light faces.

I have a heater going in the room to raise the temperature. Outside. It's around 65° at night. During the day it's about 70. I want it at 78 in that room.

The general ambient breeze cools them off. Having a single HEPA filter in the room is enough to create enough generalized air movement to keep those lights cool to touch. I have a single box fan above turned low and backed off so it only sucks about a quarter of what the lowest is capable of. The most gentle breeze above the top light pulls everything in and up gently, which pulls the humidifier output directly to spread underneath the plant and then go up.

Slowly, swirling gently. I love being able to watch humidifier output to be able to control air flow. Yes, like I did with mushrooms.

That's why I say treat them like mushrooms.

Give them lots of humidity. Give them smallest amount of light. Don't give them any goddamn UV.

Pay attention to the preliminary steps to ensure perfect consolidation. Consolidation on a of block for mushrooms is an obvious white block and then a week or two later life is incredible.

I focused on penis envy though.

Supposedly difficult to grow. You have to get the media just right and they really want straw, they don't like coir. Penis envy grow much slower than anything else but they grow fucking dense (styrofoam dense) and thick and tall. And they are anywhere from 50% to two times more powerful than anything else by weight. I won't claim to understand why, I just know it's a fact.

Regular mushrooms will pop up overnight and 2 days later you're ready to harvest. You can watch a penis envy grow slowly for 2 weeks. It'll grow thick and 10 in tall though. A forest of penis envy in a bin is equivalent to 20 bins of anything else.

So I'm used to this type of crap shoot.

 

[TestTime]

oh if I only knew how I first became attached to this thread and how now to detach and live free once again, oh the dreams I do have

to trim the quote, "golf sucks", there, eternally fixed, though I've only ever whacked a golf ball on golf grounds with a stick, and a golf ball with a golf club in the woods full of sticks, so hope exists if I match the two.

TT, you mention above, I don't know, mention again or never again, as with everybody that stands before myself if I can ever be of assistance, ask, if I can, I always do my best, period, that said, I openly admit that I comprehend but a tenth of what you both speak, though an idiot, I'm no dummy, I have my numbers, (move aside, another ego enters the chat), and to serve or assist in any way beyond my intermittent annoyance I feel I would fail spectacularly, you, the pair of you, exist on a plane of differing thought and approach to myself, big smarts, big words, awesome fucking retorts, moar all, I be emotive, soft, loving, non-combative communication wise, though no peace loving hippy, my greatest passion is hand held weaponry of war, so more so peace through superior firepower, in short, if a hand needs to be held, I'm the one, if direction required by that hand, I do not possess that level of inner confidence, and to end my mumble, it is ever so apparent that one here surpasses the other in every way but none, sleep well guys

That's okay, just enjoy the thread and know I'm smiling when I'm thinking of you.

 

[TestTime]

Option four you used Ai to cut and paste and expand the buds.

Clearly the work of someone asking Ai to make a burnt bonsai cannabis plant

And thank you for the UK information. I envision an assortment of US Farmers. They could be black market in an illegal state, they could be legal in a medical for home or they could be legal for the various levels of legality.

I need to account for the cultural difference that I was unaware of. I apologize. I started at an assumption because I took you only at your posts to me.

I know that my British buddy is a fucking asshole. And I love him anyway. Moving on.

The prices aren't going to change. No market is going to crash. No matter how good I get this. It doesn't matter.

In legal states they have price supports. They have overproduction of cannabis. There's way too much to support the market. It's 2 to 1 in my state. There's absolutely no point for me to make it any better. The people in charge of the laws will actively work to keep production down.

I could try to pitch it to a already established grower but it's meaningless. It's hassle. It's different from what they do. They already make all the profit that they can.

A thousand to one from me is meaningless to someone already kicking back and grabbing their profit and there's no threat.

In black market states the inside growers versus the outside growers are going to go to war.

There will be inside growers playing with this and that has a bit of price competition. Not much though because they already get the illegal black market profit. Once something is illegal, people pay more for it because of the risk involved. The person on the selling side has to charge more. Simply because they have to allocate fucking bail money and lawyer money and the rest of their life going to shit. So that gamble better be worth it.

I am 100% clueless on UK. Other than the fact I think you get shitty weather by default. My state is on the same climate zone as yours as far as where we are on the earth, but my particular little spot is beautiful due to the rain shadow effect.

When I moved here I learned about the long winter from a friend in the UK. He told me I was fucked. He was wrong, but it was random because I just ended up in a rain shadow.

So anyway, thanks for filling in that piece.

 

[amneziaHaze]

when did your 3000W become 75W??? are the 4kg gonna turn in to 100grams?

and how do you manage to write in the same post prices arent gonna change market cant fail and then next line in my state they overproduced prices are 2 to 1 they are making too much XD

 

[TestTime]

when did your 3000W become 75W??? are the 4kg gonna turn in to 100grams?

and how do you manage to write in the same post prices arent gonna change market cant fail and then next line in my state they overproduced prices are 2 to 1 they are making too much XD

Evolving discoveries.

My bright light experiment was for node generation. I discovered that you blessed the fuck out of the plant with bright light and it doesn't bother generating big leaves. It generates more nodes.

I discovered that if you bless the plant with bright light when it is in transition to flowering, it doesn't stretch. Short little fuckers. Exactly what I want. Dense width as many nodes as possible.

But then this plant showed up. And I started fucking with the buds. More discoveries.

I created the unicorn but it's a fragile fucker. This unicorn will kick over and die with the slightest breeze or bright light. This unicorn will wither away with any intensity whatsoever.

So now I have switch strategies. I have to move to as dim and distant as possible and figure out what actually is required and stimulates the growth while not damaging it.

Let's move on to market. I live in the state of Washington and I will only do this. Legally. There's all kinds of restrictions of what I'm allowed to do. The local market has a two to one overproduction. They want to keep it at 70 to $150 an ounce on the average so they get their taxes and they get the revenue. Sure, there's more expensive stuff but my stuff would never sell for that because it's ugly.

A single Branch will be phenomenal. It'll be fucking awesome. And no one will ever be able to afford it. At that point it has to be broken up. It's ugly. It's bag shape. It sucks. It's not sellable. And I'm not going to sell it myself because I'm legal, we got to think about how it works through the stores.

The vape market is meaningless because the people who supply it already get their profit and it's a locked market. They don't want any changes. They have massive grows that are well entrenched and they'll just keep on chugging along and extract their profit with no changes. There's no point.

If I give a thousand to one difference it doesn't matter.

The only place it matters is in Black market States where outdoor growers compete with indoor growers and there's a bit of price competition. But not much because they have the illegal grow profit because everyone has to assume the risk. Indoor versus outdoory is risky. Indoor is more risky than outdoor if you can get that outdoor far away from your house. So it's a crap shoot on who wants to play with this.

People who are already indoor growers might benefit from it, but it's not going to change the marketplace. They'll price it as high as they can just under anybody else, but it won't be much difference. It certainly won't crash it.

All these things are things I've learned as I've gone through this process. And I thank you for being part of it. You were beneficial to me.

Take care

 

[TestTime]

Overhead shielding added
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[ChairmanFester]

With the amount I smoke? Like I care about carcinogens. Remember it's all for me.
I'll be dead in the next 5 years, possibly last another five after that. Those are the yucky ones. Give me that cancer.

He thinks this only happens in lungs lol

 

[TestTime]

He thinks this only happens in lungs lol

As long as my dick goes last I'm okay. Or goes first and I'll kill myself. Either way the suffering is over.

My dad got his lungs and then his brain. That was daily visits after work and all day all weekends for about a year as he declined. It was horrible.

Don't ever make your kids change your diaper. He wouldn't have but my stepmother decided to keep him alive far longer than she should have.

 

[TestTime]

As long as my dick goes last I'm okay. Or goes first and I'll kill myself. Either way the suffering is over.

My dad got his lungs and then his brain. That was daily visits after work and all day all weekends for about a year as he declined. It was horrible.

Don't ever make your kids change your diaper. He wouldn't have but my stepmother decided to keep him alive far longer than she should have.

On the other hand, my brother Rob dropped dead while he was alone in the middle of the night.

He didn't bother anyone. He went exactly as he wanted. I can't imagine the final moment, but I am sure Rob went out well.

On his own terms. He was the most grumbly stoic mother fucker you ever met. If you can track down any references to the mayor of Jim Thorpe, PA, yet he wasn't the mayor, you'll get some stories.

Let me explain the use of the word grumbly. Imagine a mountain in the distance. And it grumbles. That's a fucking volcano. But it's just grumbling.

There is enormous power. It might erupt on its own. You might tap into it and use it for hydrothermal and it will cover you in warmth and loving kindness for the rest of your life.

But it's grumbly. And it could fucking explode and kill you in a blink.

That was my brother. He never threatened me. He covered me in warmth and loving protection and kindness.

Pity the poor bastard. Whoever went against me. Because Rob was always there.

And it was his son who put his house on the line and got me out of jail and kept me warm and fed when I needed it.

 

[ChairmanFester]

I can only attempt to assist.

 

[TestTime]

This an email trail that I have been granted permission to post. This is being posted for slingshot’s entertainment, I hope others enjoy as well.

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I try to document moments of my life as I remember them and then throw them against other people who were there.

Did this really happen? Am I making this up? What other perspectives am I missing?

So this is the you getting arrested and taking the Fall story.

Is this how it actually happened?

Also, do I permission to share this with anyone?

I would never share this type of stuff with anybody other than the people who were there at the time without permission.

—-

Stan took the fall

Stan, the brilliant nuclear engineer, was a hell of an influence on my life. Stan took the fall.

35 years later I was willing to take the fall. I took the fall. I think I learned that from Stan.

Robbie and Stan and I were visiting my elder sister at Skidmore college. This place was awesome. This place was a target rich environment. This place was filled with artistic women and they thought I was cute. They let me in the bars here. They shouldn't let me in the bars. I was way too young. But they did.

It was awesome visiting Skidmore college. And they had the Saratoga performing arts center.

This is a wonderful concert venue that is outdoors but with good covering and good lawn and the best thing about it is you can sneak in if you're willing to go through the woods in the middle of the night and do all kinds of really really stupid shit.

First of all, you can't have any lights. You'll get caught. Second of all, you have to park your vehicle in the camping area next to the concert venue.

Then you have to go through those woods for about a mile.

At this point it was pretty much pitch dark.

My brother was guiding me. Okay. You're going to go down this little incline and don't worry about it. Yeah you hear some water. Don't worry about the water. You'll be able to handle it. Don't worry.

So I get down to the bottom and I look in front of me and there's a stream/river. I don't know maybe 30 ft across and it's some block shaped objects I'm trying to resolve in the darkness.

What the fuck is this?

Don't worry, they're concrete blocks part of a dam, that's 3 ft of concrete and 3 ft of water. A few times. You'll be able to handle it.

My brother could get me to do anything. It was going to be an adventure. Okay.

It wasn't slimy. That water was rushing a few inches lower than those blocks. Sure I can jump it. And I did.

Stan had gone before me. Stan is screaming in agony.

Something bit my knee! What the fuck!

Too late. I'm in the middle of the dam. My brother's behind me. Stan’s in front of me. I can barely see anything. And Stan just screamed something bit him.

What the fuck am I getting into?

Keep going.

Get past the final block and I get to the river's edge but there isn't an edge. There's a fucking wall.

Dirt and roots. That's it. A vertical face. Hanging muddy roots coming from above.

What the fuck am I supposed to do here?

It's cool man. You kick your feet into it. It'll fall away a little bit. You just grab the roots. You'll pull yourself up. You can handle it.

Rob. I can't see up there. I don't know how high this is and I know there are really fucking high trees at the next level up and it's all blocking the light.

Don't worry, you can handle it.

Okay, here we go.

I made it. I climbed blindly in the darkness. Rob had to talk me through it a bit.

We watched a bad concert of an artist I have no idea who it was, it was just an adventure, and Stan bitched the whole time. His knee hurt. It was swollen.

The only reason I can describe it this way is because we went back the next day. I wanted to do it in the light. I want to see what the fuck happened.

So I get to the point of climbing the roots again. It ends up to be about 25 ft high and halfway through as I'm putting my knee down and I can see the perfect indentation to put my knee down. I can put my knee there.

Right before I place my knee I see a sea of yellow and green movement and I realize I'm about to put my knee into a hornet's nest.

Oh. That's what “bit" Stan.

Adrenaline kicks in. I flip myself sideways twice and at this moment I am hanging by roots where there is no path and there is a straight drop down about 15 ft into some seriously painful looking bramble and rocks.

I screamed in panic that Rob better fucking save me right now and there's nothing he can do.

He has to talk me through it. However he did it. I managed to climb back and flip around and get to the top.

Rob was built like a gorilla. Truly, his knuckles almost scraped the ground when he walked. He had immense strength. Rob picked up my other brother and threw him across the room once when that other brother threatened me. They were both adults. Rob always looked out for me.

So Rob took me on another adventure and I came through with flying colors, at least so far.

We hadn't gotten arrested yet. Stan took the fall and saved us all.

For some reason we decided to steal pillows from a dorm. The van wasn't comfortable enough. This was a poor decision by young people who were smoking way too much pot.

As we were stealing these pillows we were seen and the police were called and they stopped us in this orange VW microbus.

Oh yeah, we had the orange VW microbus. We had to heat it with a portable propane heater or we would freeze to death. We would drive that thing on 2 in of solid Jersey slush and ice and not be able to see because the windshield was so dirty from the mixture of the grime and the ice that it had frozen over solid and the sunrise hit us and turned us opaque. I've been in many adventures in that van.

And so anyway the police were called then they managed to pull us over before we got to the main highway which was a good thing because we did not want to be arrested by the state troopers. We did want to be arrested by the locals. That was a much better arrest situation.

I'm a minor. If I take the fall my dad has to be called. Nope. Rob owns the van. If Rob takes the fall the van gets impounded and searched and we are amazed they haven't found the cocaine yet.

Hey this was the '70s. There was always cocaine in the '70s. Not for us. For the women we meet.

Stan has to take the fall. Sorry Stan.

They made us stay in town. Don't leave town. Go park your van in the supermarket parking lot under that light and go sleep in your van overnight there.

Yes sir.

Court the next day was a whirlwind. The lawyers talked so fast I could not hear them. It's as simple as that. It was a rapid fire exchange of boiler plate that they legally had to say at certain points and they knew exactly what they were saying and it didn't matter. 5 minutes later the judge bangs gavel and Stan gets whatever suspended sentence is appropriate for stealing pillows. Don't get in trouble again. Come back sometime later and get it. Expunged.

My sister was beyond pissed. What the fuck is wrong with you people?

Hey, it was an adventure.

He had his record expunged a sometime later. It didn't hurt him too badly. And he got a hell of a story out of it.

I took the fall when the house was raided. They use my family as leverage against me. So of course I took the fall. Something tells me I might not have taken the fall if I hadn't seen Stan do it.

Now let's double check his perspective


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That was it more or less. The concert was AFTER I was arrested as we were awaiting my arraignment the next day. so we went down an embankment and then back up the steep other side and jumped a fence. It was James Taylor, the only time I ever saw him. don't remember much of the show as I was bummed I had to get arraigned the next day. but all went well on that front.

I don't mind if you tell anyone, it was part of the folly of youth. take a look at the attachment for a smile


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Sorry, no. It was some French singer. I've seen James Taylor. I actually saw James Taylor possibly there because my camp took me to see James Taylor at an outdoor concert and it took us to multiple venues and that what was one of them but I'm not sure which I went to for him.

The singer was a waste of time. You on the other hand were much more entertaining.

Thanks for the documentation. It was awesome. Take care.


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He included his arrest documentation. A police report stating he stole pillows. No I'm not putting that on the web.

And I just sent him an email double-checking the James Taylor versus French singer. Since I've been to that venue multiple times. Maybe I was with him multiple times and maybe I confused it. Always a possibility so I'm triple-checking now.

But I enjoy my confidence the entire time.

 

[TestTime]

I can only attempt to assist.

I always welcome assistance for my goals, especially when it makes people happy assisting.

 

[TestTime]

Okay, ready to be broken again?

If it doesn't die and it continues to flower, isn't it behaving like an apple tree? Except for there's no dormant period? Or any other fruiting tree?

You can clone fruiting trees, no problem. Plastic ball with dirt in it and you cut into the branch and you dab a little bit of rooting hormone there and you seal that up dark for a couple weeks and then you check for a root ball thread and then you seal it again and you let it go for another couple weeks and at that point you cut that fucker off and transplant it.

I've never heard of anyone doing this for cannabis because of the guaranteed death. There's not a point in it.

But this plant?

Seems like a perfect candidate to me.

I'm going to fill that hydroponics tower with arms from this thing. Or at least I'm going to give it a shot.

 

[KG1]

Okay, ready to be broken again?

If it doesn't die and it continues to flower, isn't it behaving like an apple tree? Except for there's no dormant period? Or any other fruiting tree?

You can clone fruiting trees, no problem. Plastic ball with dirt in it and you cut into the branch and you dab a little bit of rooting hormone there and you seal that up dark for a couple weeks and then you check for a root ball thread and then you seal it again and you let it go for another couple weeks and at that point you cut that fucker off and transplant it.

I've never heard of anyone doing this for cannabis because of the guaranteed death. There's not a point in it.

But this plant?

Seems like a perfect candidate to me.

I'm going to fill that hydroponics tower with arms from this thing. Or at least I'm going to give it a shot.

Fruit trees are generally woody and our plants is herbaceous. You can do this with cannabis by wrapping a damp cloth around a branch and waiting for roots.

Id assume because of quicker DNA breakdown and non desirable mutation a cannabis plant cannot keep constantly flowering or re flower many times unlike many woody species who use different strategies and genetics to maintain much longer lives even constant fruit production.

The issue encountered by revegging a plant ten times otherwise we would be already doing this rather than buy new seeds or clones.

Cloning a flowered branch is inherently harder than a veg branch but done before.

I think as ideas form in the heads of growers the science is the detail that will generally get you back down to earth.

This is essentially a very boring plant, we can't breed much past variation, a decade of people thinking ploidy would make big mutant plants seems to have fallen flat on its face although a new sterile trait could be arising helping seeded outdoor grows from not seeding ever again. In other news someone managed to breed a mutant leaf trait....

That's about everything we got from two decades of everyone trying everything even what your doing. The plants strategy is to resist all genetic change, some plants don't want to or need to evolve to survive others got no choice one day your a potato next eon a tomato.

Very boring plant

 

[TestTime]

Fruit trees are generally woody and our plants is herbaceous. You can do this with cannabis by wrapping a damp cloth around a branch and waiting for roots.

Id assume because of quicker DNA breakdown and non desirable mutation a cannabis plant cannot keep constantly flowering or re flower many times unlike many woody species who use different strategies and genetics to maintain much longer lives even constant fruit production.

The issue encountered by revegging a plant ten times otherwise we would be already doing this rather than buy new seeds or clones.

Cloning a flowered branch is inherently harder than a veg branch but done before.

I think as ideas form in the heads of growers the science is the detail that will generally get you back down to earth.

This is essentially a very boring plant, we can't breed much past variation, a decade of people thinking ploidy would make big mutant plants seems to have fallen flat on its face although a new sterile trait could be arising helping seeded outdoor grows from not seeding ever again. In other news someone managed to breed a mutant leaf trait....

That's about everything we got from two decades of everyone trying everything even what your doing. The plants strategy is to resist all genetic change, some plants don't want to or need to evolve to survive others got no choice one day your a potato next eon a tomato.

Very boring plant

That's okay. This plan is ridiculously Woody. It's got hardwood.

I think a worst case scenario would be if I actually managed to clone this and it was as productive as it seems to me. Strictly to me, I accept anything you say as far as how horrible it is, that's okay. I like it.

So let's pretend it's as productive as I believe it is. And I can clone it. And the clones can have clones. And it doesn't die. As long as it's got the right environment and the right lights. I know all of this a crap shit is critical to a piece of it.

So then I clone a bunch of them in and give them away and or sell them with the correct wavelengths and those people do the same thing.

I could pull a couple hundred off this thing if I can pull one. And I can do a couple hundred a month later. Etc etc.

Within a few years, ugly single huge Bud plants will take over the market somehow. Simply due to the price performance. They will be shitty ugly buds. They'll have to be ripped apart to be sold at less than a few ounces, which would be the minimum Branch since it's all melted together. They'll have managed to break through the regulatory log jam and they'll just sell this at whatever they sell for it.

Then they're a few dollars in ounce like anything else that grows.

Sooner or later it's a monoculture. And sooner or later a virus or bacteria or parasite will wipe them all out. And then we'll all have to start over again.

But I'll probably be dead by then so it won't matter to me. I'll try not to trigger that type of catastrophe.

You're welcome.

Take care

 

[KG1]

I'm afraid your doomed to failure and a low success rate. To achieve this you would do better to turn this plant back to vegetative growth not flowering and grow it out again.
Then you can clone with a higher success rate, very time consuming consider first clones rooted in say three months from now.

The plants hormones are against you and these are also considerations. Your asking a plant to do things it will often find too difficult in those circumstances.

In other news I didn't realise Apogee had brought out a new model -

DLI-600: ePAR, Daily Light Integral, and Photoperiod Meter (ePAR, 400-750 nm)

Apogee Instruments manufactures instrumentation to measure radiation and temperature for plant growth and more.

www.apogeeinstruments.com

Super sleek design let's see if Sant can bring me one of these and an anemometer for my tent

 

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I'm afraid your doomed to failure and a low success rate. To achieve this you would do better to turn this plant back to vegetative growth not flowering and grow it out again.
Then you can clone with a higher success rate, very time consuming consider first clones rooted in say three months from now.

The plants hormones are against you and these are also considerations. Your asking a plant to do things it will often find too difficult in those circumstances.

In other news I didn't realise Apogee had brought out a new model -

DLI-600: ePAR, Daily Light Integral, and Photoperiod Meter (ePAR, 400-750 nm)

Apogee Instruments manufactures instrumentation to measure radiation and temperature for plant growth and more.

www.apogeeinstruments.com

Super sleek design let's see if Sant can bring me one of these and an anemometer for my tent

550 bucks. I want so bad. I want to measure those red lights. Those fucking red lights are key.

That's at least 3 months away.

Yeah I never revegged before. Sure, I've read about it for years and it's bad. Bad bad

There's no way I'm going to do anything to that plant to change the growth pattern. I absolutely am not changing those lights other than altering the distance and strength the slightest bit as I tune the direction the branches turn.

I'll try a woody transplant. It works or it doesn't. No biggie.

Note on the branches. All the various buds that I unwound and stripped left node points. The node points just hung out while the branch grew additional nodes. Those became antlers throughout. Those in turn are now flowering. They give the best indicator of light strength because they're quickly growing on the ends and you can see when the node switches direction.

Also, same behavior on the crown branches, those are not stripped buds, those are end tips of regular branches that were topped after 2 months of flowering and I topped them anywhere from 2 to 5 times depending on timing and growth. That's why you see some incredible crowns.

Obviously I've got lots of pictures over multiple days to compare but that's just all what I was playing with over the last 10 minutes.

So I moved the plant slightly to the right and I increased the right light slightly because that's got the best variability. The light on the left is 25/50/75/100 so that's why I have it at 25 with the mesh. Now I move the plant closer further away depending on whether or not I see the directionality of the growth.

The most important thing is that the left hand side had what I considered a hole in the growth pattern and it was facing the worst dim spot yet it's still filled in.

Note, that spot still had light, the front and back are totally turned off while I watched the growth grow outward sideways on each side. That enables me to spread the branches.

Then in a couple days I'll do a quarter turn and push them the other direction a little bit.

Then in a couple days I'll do a quarter turn back, never the same goddamn direction or else all the branches will twist with themselves. I tend to turn the plant in the same direction and when I do that everything spirals. I get obvious large groupings of branches spiraling like I'm looking at a weather pattern on the earth. If I go back and forth and back and forth the branches zigzag as they grow and have less likelihood of intertwining with their neighbor.

I love a plant that grows so fast that I can make these types of observations and adjustments within 2 days of change.

Both with and without red on so you can see the red penetration pattern.

 

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Energy usage.

HehehahHa

Not laughing at anyone here, just enjoying myself. Check out the stats.

It says UVB/ red but there's no UVB on it at the moment. I'm not relabeling the system

Ff5 500 w because that was the fifth flamethrower that was 500 w. Those reference those four corner foldout lights. Yes, I had five of them going plus others at one point. No it wasn't all for that plant, I had 13 other plants in that room! On the other hand, yes I was burning the fuck out of that plant. Yes, I am insane.

But you guys fix that. Right?

I'm around $0.08 per kilowatt hour but I'm too lazy to think that. So let's say $0.10 and that monthly number looks to be around 25 bucks. We can add about $3 for the fan that's not on that controller and maybe $0.10 for the vaporizer etc etc.

You get the point. It's been down for a couple weeks now so it's actually going to be far cheaper on the next month. In the last 2 days I decided to actually cut out half the lights again. Plus it's only been on low for 2 weeks. So that was plus whatever cost it was for a week to 2 weeks of high strength lights.

And it keeps growing volume. Even if this volume is hemp flowers, I'd be ecstatic. Less than 5% THC, I'm good with that.

 

[Kyfarmerb1984]

Hello again, I am sorry if I came off sounding like I was talking down but I did not mean to if I did.but what I will say is I have most definitely seen light leeks force plants back into like half veg and the results ended up being herbs, they all ended up with seeds and airy, looking just like this poor girl.
Sure I get your experimenting now, I did not know, so with that I wish u all the luck.
Sincerely, kyfarmerb