Testing...huh, I don't think so

[Texas Kid]

Just an FYI, I have had my oil tested at few different testing facilities and have done alot and alot more testing along the way..I actually had to work with the testing facilities to create and adjust their methodology for testing specifically for oil so i kind of know whats what in the oil testig game....

So now I see despensaries that buy my oil, always have and probably always will, tellin me and everyone else that they are testing it at 82%thc...wtf, not even close gang these test results are off, way off I can assure you by almost 100% of the actual numbers...it is a very tricky test to go from a weight based input amount to a liquid volume input, has alot to do with density, viscolcity and the specific gravity of the oil being tested..oil is not flower material by any means and can not be tested using the same methodology....not even sure you can effectively do it all with gas chromography because of the initial heat requirement for the test and I know some real sharp cats that work on this for me.

Bubble hash that test at 57-60% is way off as well, not a chance...

So if ya want some crazy unreal numbers on your non weed products, hit up CannaLabs, if ya want some truer numbers send it tot the west coast or Full Spectrum Labs where they were at least on top of their flawed testing proceedures and worked it out. All of the insanely high numbers that I have seen have all been through CannaLabs, all others seem to be so close in numbers its not even noticable.

Believe me, I would love for my oil to test that high, it just doesn't, at least the oil I make for the masses doesn't..so don't think your gettin the blood of Jah or anything, its good but not no 80%+thc

Test number???? beware gang

Tex

 

[Green Supreme]

Can you please elaborate on the numbers? I have questioned all of them for years. Peace GS

 

[cardrack111]

thanks for the heads up... been wantin to have my quick wash tested sometime. guess i'll try full spectrum if they are the most reliable. how much does a test cost, and how big of a sample do they need? I am guessing my product is in the 65-70% range realistically....but really have no idea until i test. 15 second wash, quick press and slow purge...only use fresh/frozen. :icon_spin:

 

[Mr.Sputnik]

Just for reference, really good BHO and SCC02 rarely breaks the 80% mark, supposedly. I think ALL the numbers are fucked. Does it do the job? That's the best test IMO.

Pull your pants up and put the tape measure away, if it works it works. This whole %thc bullshit is a dispensary marketing scheme and a way for some other business to take a piece of your profit. It's not like there's a certifying agency for THC testing equipment. ALL the numbers are bullshit, there's no consistency. Take a nug in 1 week and take another nug from the same batch, same place on the plant ect and I bet it varies by 5% or more. And people pay money, ruin weed for a slip of paper that gives a very rough THC level. If you do anything test it for chemical residues and mold spores.

I wouldn't be supprized of you open the equipment and there's a midget rasta inside with a wooden pipe.

 

[true grit]

I concur, and Im assuming that lab is the one that I've been doubting numbers from of late....but, Why wouldn't oil be capable of 80% +? Wouldn't it more so depend on extraction process, purge process, and waste content in the oil that would help determine % of thc per volume? Some people don't get as clean a product or fully purged product period. Some oils you can actually see particulate leftover (which would drastically take away from thc % by volume in a viscous oil) and folks that use more leaf/plant parts other than bud only would also be adding to possible contaminants i would assume. Along with the fact not much bud around here is uber impressive, 80's currently probably aren't that realistic...lol.

Then I would like to venture and say THC %'s won't test as high for some people due to the decarboxylation during certain purging processes, and this too would apply to testing I assume if they heat product/oil for better viscosity.

 

[Dorje]

There's a thread on ic on this topic, I am also skeptical as the numbers don't seem to make sense to me either. Sam the Skunkman came on and cleared it up, the numbers are repeatable and accurate IF you have the right equipment and technique. He said he has seen accuracy as great as +/- .5%, and some research papers where different labs analyzed the same product prove this to be true, although the accuracy is more like 1.5%.

So the technology is capable of accurately measuring thc % but the people doing the testing might influence the outcome. Also, the numbers are % thc by weight, and Sam said he has extracted 20% dry weight before which I wouldn't have thought possible.

 

[Ohiofarmer]

good info tex, i would agree that that labs full of crap, also was curious how many times you run your oil in order to get your desired percentages of volatile oils. Also this may help you i have gone through a few of these companies before, b/c they test for only 1 thing and have a very superior method of doing it it can be alot cheaper and alot faster. Just google VOC(Volatile Organic Compound) testing. This is a test conducted that only tests for hydrocarbons like THC, CBD etc, therefor it can give you a representation of the % of your oil overall as well as tell you the purity of your product in terms of misc. debrie that might be in your oil.

SAMPLER: THERMAL DESORPTION TUBE TECHNIQUE: THERMAL DESORPTION, GAS
(multi-bed sorbent tubes containing CHROMATOGRAPHY, MASS
graphitized carbons and carbon molecular SPECTROMETRY SIEVE SORBENTS

they'll test all the important stuff faster. Just a tip,not like you don't know anything tex haha just sayin, if you search for labs which only test hydrocarbons and aromatics then they'll give ya the "correct" results your lookin for, if you've only ran your oil 1-2 times total to get your end product then theres no way it's at 85%, inless you got some super setup that we all need to get in on sahaha. Take it easy man, hope this helps ya out, btw i don't know how friendly some of these places are about MMA so i would ask around first. Hope your meds are bomb man, hope your doin good too gritty =P:character0053::sun

 

[Melizzard]

Sput, for those of us making oil and treating cancer patients with it, those numbers are kind of important. High THC and as high as possible CBD ... we both know that each strain is different and oil is costly and time consuming to make. So to me, it does matter all I can do is hope they're somewhat accurate ... :(

xxoo

Just for reference, really good BHO and SCC02 rarely breaks the 80% mark, supposedly. I think ALL the numbers are fucked. Does it do the job? That's the best test IMO.

Pull your pants up and put the tape measure away, if it works it works. This whole %thc bullshit is a dispensary marketing scheme and a way for some other business to take a piece of your profit. It's not like there's a certifying agency for THC testing equipment. ALL the numbers are bullshit, there's no consistency. Take a nug in 1 week and take another nug from the same batch, same place on the plant ect and I bet it varies by 5% or more. And people pay money, ruin weed for a slip of paper that gives a very rough THC level. If you do anything test it for chemical residues and mold spores.

I wouldn't be supprized of you open the equipment and there's a midget rasta inside with a wooden pipe.

 

[Melizzard]

The oil I make/use is the Phoenix Tears oil and it does need the whole plant. Leaves and all. That way, you get all the plant components (chlorophyll and higher cbd, etc.) and it's all healing. God the amount of chlorophyll I used to purchase ... don't need that any more! LOL If you're looking for highest THC content, yes bud is king (queen?), but if you want the best overall healing effect, I think the PTO is the way to go ... green tar and all! I wouldn't consider any of that plant a contaminant. LOL

I concur, and Im assuming that lab is the one that I've been doubting numbers from of late....but, Why wouldn't oil be capable of 80% +? Wouldn't it more so depend on extraction process, purge process, and waste content in the oil that would help determine % of thc per volume? Some people don't get as clean a product or fully purged product period. Some oils you can actually see particulate leftover (which would drastically take away from thc % by volume in a viscous oil) and folks that use more leaf/plant parts other than bud only would also be adding to possible contaminants i would assume. Along with the fact not much bud around here is uber impressive, 80's currently probably aren't that realistic...lol.

Then I would like to venture and say THC %'s won't test as high for some people due to the decarboxylation during certain purging processes, and this too would apply to testing I assume if they heat product/oil for better viscosity.

 

[wem420]

Yes green tar and all is yummy anyway :)

 

[true grit]

The oil I make/use is the Phoenix Tears oil and it does need the whole plant. Leaves and all. That way, you get all the plant components (chlorophyll and higher cbd, etc.) and it's all healing. God the amount of chlorophyll I used to purchase ... don't need that any more! LOL If you're looking for highest THC content, yes bud is king (queen?), but if you want the best overall healing effect, I think the PTO is the way to go ... green tar and all! I wouldn't consider any of that plant a contaminant. LOL

Indeed, but sadly the correlation between which cannabinoids are more necessary is not yet known and incorrect test numbers like mentioned don't help at all. One thing that also makes that more difficult to determine is the fact that you are using whole plant- which means more contaminant than buds/trim alone (we see difference in product just from excess leaf). I remember the solid chunks Alt showed me once stems were used for example but not particularly more potent- just more mass. These contaminants will alter your cannabinoid numbers. And if we don't try to isolate compounds a bit better than we all are doing now, then test results won't give us the real info we need anyways. Let alone most trim for folks is coming from wherever, with no consistency.
The other issue is how much of the cannabinoid content is degraded when you heat the oil during most of the processes.

These tests are good for baseline test for strains and further isolating or cube testing processes for a strain. Make sense? Pick a strain that tests well across the board, then dial the plant via testing, then make concentrates and have them tested- then the real testing can happen where you begin testing processing variables to nail a consistent result. Well at least IMO thats all these tests are good for, cuz 1 time braggin rights aint shit. Consistency in product is.

 

[kuz]

I've just skimmed over this article.


I'd like to think that finding good labs doesnt depend on the federal governments regulation and oversight. Dont want to pretend I could compete with big drug companies but the more you know about whats in the oil the better.

I'm sure more good labs would come on board if they reschedule marijuana, and then they will prohibit anybody but drug companies from making a chemical extract of cannabis.

 

[dman16]

ya i brought some of my BHO to my preferred dispensary which i normally consider to be pretty legit. the main guy was impressed and showed me some of his "private collection" that he claimed tested at 86% THC…..it was sort of green lol def not that good of bho mine was much more impressive visually.
here is what i showed him
http://i184.invalid.com/albums/x18/deeeman16_2007/DSC01950.jpg

 

[waywardson]

I have always thought numbers being reported in CO are high...for weed, oil, hash...whatever. You see the same strains, hash tested in CA and the numbers are maybe 20-25% lower.

Now I would like to say CO growers are just that much better...but that would be bullshit.

I suspect, given the lack of anything like an astm standard that labs have found they get more business reporting higher numbers. And in the end it don't mean shit anyways...takes me about one hit to make my own assessment and that is the one that counts for me.

your mileage may vary.

 

[Mr.Sputnik]

Mel, I agree that testing is very important. I'm not trying to refute that fact what so ever. It's the accuracy of the testing that needs to be taken into consideraton. If a high CBD strain shows up with no CBD content on a test, then what's the point of the test?

BTW if your BHO is still sticky it still has some 'tane left in it. if you leave it in the open for a few months it won't be sticky anymore (well, at least on top).

 

[ganjherbsmoke]

i dn if id agree with u there sput cant say stickyness has anything to do with whats leftover , as many oils including sc c02 that has completely zero solvents left it in it is quite quite sticky

ur just talking about dehyrdating the oil which has minimal longterm affects on purging whatever is left, pretty much get the same out with a proper purge done ur better off leaving it gooey imo, smokes way easier, if the residual tane is a concern vac purge it

what about rm3 labs anyone have good or bad results from them?

 

[Steve Z]

maybe its just all that weed grown at higher elevations than CA.

i read somewhere that had something to do with potency??? maybe an old wives tale...maybe not

 

[true grit]

ganja- I concur...ive talked with some chemists who say properly low temp purged oil should be almost viscous at room temp...so id imagine pretty sticky.

Steve- no thats not wives tale, its has to do with the resin production in adverse conditions. resin glands change with different altitudes/humidities and this can play a role in potency. You can also get different terpene production from changing abiotic stresses- ie fucking with environment. But to see actual difference youre gonna have to have two identical baseline runs in different environments on something thats dialed to perfection so that variables are controlled.

 

[waywardson]

I buy that weed grown outside at altitude may be stronger due to either the altitude or the possibly increased uvb. But indoor weed grown in a sealed room with CO2 being controlled...I find it hard to believe that altitude has any effect in those circumstances...course I have been wrong once or twice in my life.

 

[Ohiofarmer]

haha ganja is def. correct, purer oil is generally much stickier, haha but much respect sputnik. whoever said above that tests in canada are coming up 20-25% shorter i agree 100% i think the higher testing in CO seems to be driven by greed and generating more money for small labs. Take it easy guys