Plant count numbers, multiple medical patients per house

[Confuten1]

So I was told by the doctor that prescribed my wife her medical card(and renewed mines) that per sb420 you can not have more than 6 mature plants per house even with multiple card holders living there.
btw, I am also well informed of the Kelly case that said plant counts are unconstitutional. But as my former attorney told me, the cops can still arrest and hastle just can't convict based on plant numbers alone. Cops have been to my house once (dam neighbor and my less than stealth outdoor grow lol) so they know I grow. I don't have my dept of health card yet, so I would have to let the cops in if they came to my house( I could deny entry but they can always use a lame excuse like smell or some other BS excuse to do as they please).
I'm in SoCal, and we don't have anything that increases sb420 (6mature) like some counties up north.


Anybody have any recent experience with multiple cards in one house ?
Thanks boys and girls?

confu...

 

[Seamaiden]

So I was told by the doctor that prescribed my wife her medical card(and renewed mines) that per sb420 you can not have more than 6 mature plants per house even with multiple card holders living there.

Your wife needs a new recommending doctor, he doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground with regard to the current status of the law. That doctor also seriously needs to get himself his own attorney and consult with him/her frequently. He's going to get patients into trouble and he's limiting her/you when it's not necessary. In fact, now I'm wondering if this doctor is even in good standing with the California Medical Board. These statements are incredibly, astoundingly ignorant, and flat out wrong.

btw, I am also well informed of the Kelly case that said plant counts are unconstitutional. But as my former attorney told me, the cops can still arrest and hastle just can't convict based on plant numbers alone.

They can't do a fucking thing based on plant counts, numbers don't mean a thing anymore. The striking down of SB420 doesn't change the fact that all we are afforded, as Prop 215 patients, is the defense of being medical cannabis growers. The presumption, then, is that you're put in the position of having to defend yourself, obviously, but the fact that SB420 has been struck didn't change that one whit.

Cops have been to my house once (dam neighbor and my less than stealth outdoor grow lol) so they know I grow.

Same here, fuck 'em.

I don't have my dept of health card yet, so I would have to let the cops in if they came to my house( I could deny entry but they can always use a lame excuse like smell or some other BS excuse to do as they please).
I'm in SoCal, and we don't have anything that increases sb420 (6mature) like some counties up north.

What compels you to get the ID card? Nothing. All you need is the doctor's recommendation. Use a doctor who's got his head out of his ass and doesn't put actual numbers on the reco itself. ;)

Anybody have any recent experience with multiple cards in one house ?
Thanks boys and girls?

confu...

Yep, you've got your answers. If you want more specifics, I'll do it via PM. But, my local keystone cops can't do a fucking thing with or to me and they know it. They keep trying, but they're not going to get anywhere because they can't get anything.

Just keep fishing, boys, just you keep fishing. I can hardly wait til those two positions are eliminated from the force, because frankly, WE CAN'T FUCKING AFFORD YOU!

 

[Confuten1]

^^^ hey, thanks for responding Sea. I was hoping u would, I know ur up on the legal plus I admire the way u articulate your point of view. I would pm u but I'm lackin in post counts.
Bottom Line fir me is I'm doing my best to avoid getting handcuffed in front of my children. They are to young to understand the politics of MMJ and they only know right and wrong legal and illegal. I don't want to damage their opinion on law enforcement, as my sister is a cop and my son wants to be one lol. He says he jus wants to be able to handcuff ppl lol. I love his 6 ur old point of view.
Reguarding the county of health card; my understanding is that they have to check the database before persuing an investigation of marijuana which would(in theroy) keep them from entering my house.
During the summer outdoor season, I also hung my Rec in the back yard(I did recently read ur post reguarding that matter). I'm jus trying to cover all bases because of my kids.
Btw u helped me with some questions on my room buildout(thanks), I believe u said we have a similar set up, 8x10. I'll be posting a thred soon jus trying to get thru the holiday season and I have a shitty camera so I'm a bit hesitant. Crappy photos better than no photos?? Hope so, I'm tapped on funds due to the holidays( have a huge family!) so buying a camera soon is not an option.

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[motherlode]

what SM said so eloquently

 

[Confuten1]

Btw on that Dr. I think he tells ppl that to prevent them from doing things that may cause legal issues that would ultimately require him to testify in court. He can't write scripts if he's in court all the time. Jus my opinion.
Confu...

 

[paulycali]

Thats a bunch of crap if you ask me! What ive noticed is most doctors in the field learn more about the benefits and so on of medical marijuana through there patients. That doctor is full of it and probably made a assumption since he didnt know the correct answer. Your fine man. Theres no limits anyway. I still abide by the guidelines but technically i thought sb420 was abollished. ANyway grow on and grow on. Dont let anyone but the feds stop you from growing your medicine. Each patient is entitled to grow 6 mature plants "remember there really are no limits" so if you got 4 patients living in your home then go and grow 24 plants. You'll be fine. Good luck and have a happy growing of a day!

 

[motherlode]

yes there are no sb420 limits anymore - but the county/city you live in could have set their own and that is enforcable

 

[Confuten1]

what SM said so eloquently

Thanks for cosigning on SM comment ML. I also got mad respect for u. Dude, do u comment on every thread. lol

Saw u/ur son outdoor grow(looked propper) ,u were commenting on his trimming (somethin bout him being a trim Nazi I think) and how he didn't know where he got it from. IMHO the apple didn't fall far frm the tree, all ur shit is super clean and done to perfection. Respect man.

Confu...

 

[Confuten1]

Thats a bunch of crap if you ask me! What ive noticed is most doctors in the field learn more about the benefits and so on of medical marijuana through there patients. That doctor is full of it and probably made a assumption since he didnt know the correct answer. Your fine man. Theres no limits anyway. I still abide by the guidelines but technically i thought sb420 was abollished. ANyway grow on and grow on. Dont let anyone but the feds stop you from growing your medicine. Each patient is entitled to grow 6 mature plants "remember there really are no limits" so if you got 4 patients living in your home then go and grow 24 plants. You'll be fine. Good luck and have a happy growing of a day!

Thnx Paulycali, hey is that ur dog in ur sig photo? Good looking specimen! U in so cal by chance? Nevermind the social thing, all I had to do is look under ur photo, duhh. (I'm baked right now)
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[motherlode]

Thanks for cosigning on SM comment ML. I also got mad respect for u. Dude, do u comment on every thread. lol

Saw u/ur son outdoor grow(looked propper) ,u were commenting on his trimming (somethin bout him being a trim Nazi I think) and how he didn't know where he got it from. IMHO the apple didn't fall far frm the tree, all ur shit is super clean and done to perfection. Respect man.

Confu...

thanks - lol - I try - but there are only so many hours in the day

 

[Confuten1]

^^^ feel u bout "only so many hours in the day", I have a 10 hr wrk day, 2-3 hr gardening, plus my wife and kids time. I don't ever sleep I think. It's jus never enough time in the day.
Confu...

 

[Seamaiden]

Btw on that Dr. I think he tells ppl that to prevent them from doing things that may cause legal issues that would ultimately require him to testify in court. He can't write scripts if he's in court all the time. Jus my opinion.
Confu...

And that's problem, in my opinion. Part of the reason why I use the doctor I do and pay the price I do is because he guarantees that he's always available, night or day, for any reason, including testifying to police or in court. He is also very careful and rather different in how he words his recommendation, which can cause confusion for some, but ultimately legally reads the way it should. One of the things he doesn't do is write out anything that defines limits of any sort on me. We discuss how much I consume, and how, but he doesn't limit me by his recommendation.

As for the other stuff, if you're growing at all, you're at risk of being handcuffed in front of the kids. Any plants can put you there, you need to wrap your head around that idea. But, if you keep your shit tight (mine is under lock and key, inaccessible from other main areas of the house) the cops should know that they're barking up the wrong tree. Plant numbers are not a tree they're going to bark up, and that doctor should know that by now, it's been long enough since the SB was struck.

I personally am still not convinced that it's a better thing to have the state ID card, and my attorney agreed. It's important to note that, as one of the few aspects of SB420 that were retained, should you choose to get the card you are automatically volunteering to limit yourself. I am not voluntarily reporting OR limiting myself in that way (and the numbers would be 12/6 per patient/recommendation, not per household as he's asserting).

yes there are no sb420 limits anymore - but the county/city you live in could have set their own and that is enforcable

As it was explained to me, even those limits that were voted on are no longer enforceable because they conflict with the proposition. I was very surprised, I thought as you do, that if they've voted on it, then those limits exist.

 

[lollipopman]

If my card allowed me to grow 99 plants and my wifes card said 60, so I can grow 160 in my house?

 

[motherlode]

anytime you go over 99 plants its a risk imo

 

[lollipopman]

That's what I thought too, but what about dispencerys having. 100 cards witch means they can grow 6000 in their place, true or false?

 

[motherlode]

I always though it was illegal for a dispensary to grow their own weed...

one owner told me he had to buy smoke from his patients because that was the only way he could legally obtain it

Im sure somebody who knows more about this will chime in

regardless anytime you put more then 99 plants on a single plot of land, house or parcel you risk federal prosecution, period

 

[Seamaiden]

The dispensary angle I know nothing about. Growing at large scale like what lollipop's talking about is something that folks I know are doing, but they also have a lot more recs at the grow locations than just their own and their SO's, they're all growing for cooperatives or collectives.

 

[Seamaiden]

Good information.

It's also important to note that some areas don't allow collective or cooperative models. For instance, in my county, they are completely, directly and totally outlawed. Therefore, I've gotta grow my own and can't even share a single bud with someone who isn't a member of my household.

 

[TrichromeFan]

Lots of great info here. Thanks Seamaiden and GoD.

Although, it is still obviously unclear how it affects each situation, whether you are just growing your personal meds or for a collective. It would be really awesome to have some actual cannabis grower defense lawyers to post up some info as well. Hell, give them their own sub forum in each state's forum. Hell if LED girl got one, a helpful legal info forum would be a no brainer. Maybe people could find some good referrals there to help cover their asses. Just a thought.

-TF

 

[Jack Pot]

Hey there farmers..... I recently received a doctors recommendation out here in socal and nowhere on it does it state the amount of dried weight or the amount of plant numbers I am allowed to have at any given time. Nor was it brought up or discussed during the interview.
Should this be discussed with him? Should I call him back and ask him to recommend more when an amount was never given to begin with?

Or should I do as Seamaiden (hey there girl) said above and "choose" not to "volunteer" to limit myself?????


Sorry for my naivety. It's just that this is all new to me and I don't know where to go or who to ask these types o questions to.

Thanks all in advance