excel energy audits

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City farmer

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So I have a buddy who owns a few different houses and a couple of them were being rented by MMJ growers who had small grows going. Excel energy sent a letter to both of the houses requesting an energy audit due to the "unusual amounts of energy" being used. Just by chance both the growers moved a month or so before the letters were sent. They came and did a walk through on
one place so far and went straight to the basement. They left saying everything was ok? Anyone else experience this???
 
ttystikk

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hmmmm. nope. they came and replaced my power meter tho, same excuse.
 
Texas Kid

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Exel can do all they want around and outside my house but comin inside for any reason at all ain't happenin unless they come back with the narcotics task force...especailly since exel keeps tellin me over and over they are not responsible for anything past my meter, not even the interior sub panel is their responsiblity, according to them, so why would i let them in to root around my house when i can not even pay them to come in and do work inside otherwise, I have to call an electrician...can't have it both ways you exel jag offs.. if you had an electrical fire inside your house or any electrical problems in your house, exel will not even come inside at all, they really don't even like to come on your actual property, their montra is you need to call an electrician, thats not our responsibility, we go to the meter....

Now there is a rule on how much power you can use? that will make alot of since in court....I've had $2600 electric bills, so what, there is no law against power use. By years end I will have three 200amp service poles on my property and exel is all to happy to come and do it for me, for a pile of money and a killer monthly bill paid to them goin forward

What if they question or "audit" you and you say, I have 8 horticulture lights burning in my basement, now what? what are they goin to do? the electric company can not do anything at all except notify the police that your using alot of power and that may mean that your growing in your basement?huh? and so what, the police will laugh..if the cops come, they ask you if you have a grow, have your medical card, check your paperwork, possibley check your grow, and leave, thats it..what are they goin to say, we got a complaint from the power company that your using to much electricity..lol...not likey.

The police are so worried about potiental law suits from med patients claiming harrassment it's not even funny and high power use is no indication of illegal activity in this state. That doesn't represent probable cause at all and so what if it did...I've had the task force guys hangin out at two of my setups for hours and hours and excessive power use was not on their plate, trust me..

I could see these tactic and methods being effective in flushing out potiental illegal growers in non med states but in a med state there is no crime so what the hell are they doing except possibly shake down non med patients.

Here is my script if exel calls...

exel: we want to audit your power usage..

TK: Why?

exel: we show abnormally high use at your location.

TK: I have alot of high power use equipment in use on my property, I mean really, I have 600amps total coming to the property, I have workshops, greenhouses, a/c's , you name it, I have it going.

exel: we'd like to come out and audit your setup to see if we can save you any money..

TK: No thanks....that wont be neccesary but you can come check the connection from the pole to the meter if you like or install a new meter that would be fine. Bu bye

All they can can do is come check thier service from the pole to the meter which is part of their gig but beyond that, they have no right to anything...they are a public utility company thats it, they are not police and do not have any legal right to access to your house and they are the first to tell ya that when you really need them.

Tex
 
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Exel can do all they want around and outside my house but comin inside for any reason at all ain't happenin unless they come back with the narcotics task force...
i was going to say this_ they have no right to step foot into anybodies house..EVER! :ninja
 
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a couple of them were being rented by MMJ growers who had small grows going. Excel energy sent a letter to both of the houses requesting an energy audit due to the "unusual amounts of energy" being used.


Would you mind sharing, if you know, how many watts were running, or how large the bills were?
 
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Also, I googled some, and those Energy Audits are something done upon the customer's request. They even charge you for them.

They subcontract folks who will come out and review your house and tell you ways you can save energy. They'll even do a thermal (infrared) scan for some extra bucks. FLIR!

In fact, I recall getting flyers in the mail myself advertising the service.

Are you sure they weren't just advertisments? Did they really state that Xcel wanted to perform one due to "unusual amounts of energy"? Sounds more like there's some miscommunication on your end than anything to be alarmed about. But, if they really did say that, it's a ruse and they're looking into it.

Still interested in how much power you were using too, as another Xcel customer myself.
 
cannarado

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Sounds like theyre just trying to get you on the savers plan or whatever that deal is
 
City farmer

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Thanks for the feedback guys! Yea they were both small grows one was around 6,000 watts with lights fans and ac and the other was around the same. The bill on the house that i know of was never more than $450. They were both in the highlands neighborhood of denver and were nice upscale homes. I believe that they were just trying to offer suggestions to save money or make things more efficient? But I was not there and the story is 3rd hand so there could be some discrepancies on my part.
 
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excel is the worst we had a gas leak outside that killed a tree in my yard and they said as the home owner it's my problem the next week a transformer blew caught my neighbors house on fire and wouldn't foot the bill on the remodel thank god they have home owners insurance up here it's metro task force giving us all problems adams county doesn't like caregivers at all my first inspection they tried saying i didn't pull permits for my secondary panel which i had we were warned up front by our electrician thats what they are trying to see is if you have done electric work without permits or electrician this will be there excuse to shut you down unless you are a caregiver who is submitting to inspection they have no right to come in without a search warrant
 
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Either they were stealing power if they wanted to do an audit or someone close to them.
 
Texas Kid

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I saw a show a few days ago that was in a mine out on the east coast, the GM said their electicity bill was in excess of 3million dollars ($3,000,000.00) a month....every month.....almost $40 million a year...damn

I don't feel near as bad now...lol

Tex
 
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WoW

So I have a buddy who owns a few different houses and a couple of them were being rented by MMJ growers who had small grows going. Excel energy sent a letter to both of the houses requesting an energy audit due to the "unusual amounts of energy" being used. Just by chance both the growers moved a month or so before the letters were sent. They came and did a walk through on
one place so far and went straight to the basement. They left saying everything was ok? Anyone else experience this???


So in other words your buddy gave away his rights to a private company. Thats pretty scary, he renting and doesn't have a lawyer?
 
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they are pretty sure of who is growing. Not only do the new digital meters show how much power is being used, but what times the power is being consumed. It's pretty easy to note 12 on and 12 off on the graphs.



If you can see your own usage by the minute on the internet, I'm pretty sure that the power company can see everybody with a quick query of the customer database. They know you are growing... unless your plants are in the back yard and not under lights. 12/12 is pretty easy to spot in the usage data.
 
sky high

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Thankfully it's not illegal to use electricity or to grow cannabis in CO.

But just to be sure all is well....pay your bill on time and fire up a few extra lights for the Winter on an opposing 12/12 to keep the house warm and avoid those nasty power spikes.

s h
 
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You would think not, but we are $20k into fighting felony cultivation and possession charges on a fully papered grow. This was brought on by another less discrete grower and electric usage data from the power company.

I'm Just saying that they know you have lights. If you are legal no sweat[unless you are in EL Paso county].
 
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they are pretty sure of who is growing. Not only do the new digital meters show how much power is being used, but what times the power is being consumed. It's pretty easy to note 12 on and 12 off on the graphs.



If you can see your own usage by the minute on the internet, I'm pretty sure that the power company can see everybody with a quick query of the customer database. They know you are growing... unless your plants are in the back yard and not under lights. 12/12 is pretty easy to spot in the usage data.

If you are running that much power at once on a 12/12 cycle, it is very noticeable. (2) 6kw rooms flopped is way better looking on power usage than a 12kw room on 12's. And if you are running this much power, watch your plant counts...

My thing is, I will play their plant count game anyday of the week.. but their gonna be some big big ladies. 12 plants under 12k? Yes please:cool0041:

8 week veg trained hard.. let mother nature do the rest:)

Excel loves us. period.


turbo
 
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turbo14 said:
Excel loves us. period.

In a certain absolute sense, it doesn't make alot of sense for xcel to legally attack it's best residential customers.

I've never really thought a using more of the power company's product would bring them to do the door.

I've actually run $900 into arrears when I've fucked up before and the worst an xcel rep asked me was why my power bill was $150 when I moved in and $650/month now.
 
sky high

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If the Fed are involved you were obviously running higher counts than a home grower/CG can run so this isn't "apples to apples", IMO.

If you were over 99 (Feds involved)...you were foolish. Everyone knows what that threshold means...and it's been that way since WAYYYY before "med"...

What gets me is yer still involved and running high counts from the looks of it....(?)

I hope the judge in your case doesn't catch wind of that fact. Yikes.
 
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Bingo Sky! Thats there fuck up in everyone around here knows a different story about greed. Dudes kinda an asshole fear mongering probably wishin we'd all pull are own in fear n scurry to his dumb ass shop for some fukin expenssive hay....pisses me off

REALITY IS IF YOU ARE NOT COMMERCIAL AND HAVE SOME COMMON SENSE YOU ARE WAY SAFE GROWING YOUR OWN IN CO. BLOW SHIT UP KIDS
UNLESS YOU ARE JUMPIN POWER OR DANGLIN 1KS ALL OVER A WAREHOUSE LIKE A FOOL I WOULDN'T WORRY. Not at all.....not even about about silly numbers n big bad wolf FEDS....beleive me its needle in a haystack there is some bigtime grows happenion here going ALL over the country in then somme feds might worry about first.....
 
sky high

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A part of my income comes from a direct involvement with "utility" companies.

I guarantee that the utility/electric provider here >knows< where a few grows are...just as the phone company, cable company, and water company know where a few grows are. They know this because the attorneys who rep these local service providers have collaberated/ask each other HOW TO SET POLICY when it comes to MMJ grows in residences in our area...andthey know this because their workers have visited homes they service for maintenance/etc and have SEEN the grows in person/etc.

The standard policy here is to go in...say NOTHING about "marijuana" or their grow...ask NO QUESTIONS....and DO YOUR JOB AND LEAVE. End of story.

might be different elsewhere.... and things may change (OK, WILL change)..but as far as using >too much< and it drawing a red flag.... nope...not here. The houses are all so different they just have no way to tell if you are running 15 lights or 3 hot tubs, a pool, a steam shower/steamroom, etc. (resort town)...if the house is empty one month and used the next 3 (spike in usage mirroring a grow)...or any number of zillions of other scenarios.

no worries here either way cus we are >small< users here compared to the ultra-rich andnobody is lookin/caring/etc. as long as they get their $$ every month.

be safe, all.

s h
 

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