Fox Farm, House & Garden, Advanced Base Challenge

[darkpink]

I did a 3 plant base nute shootout. these were my results.

Fox farm big bloom, tiger bloom, grow big

House & Garden Aqua Flakes A & B

Advanced Sensi A & B.

Bloom only nutes 12/12 all per bottle directions in coco 5 gal pots.

 

[darkpink]

Sensi blooms ran me $12 each bottle a and b $22 total.
House and garden $13 each a and b $26 total.
Fox farm big bloom $16, tiger bloom $20, and grow big $20, total $56.

I chose three clones out of 45, same strain, proportions and size. flowered from clone to 54 days.

Results blew my mind!

Fox farm yielded 14.6 grams
House and garden yielded 15.8 grams
Advanced yielded 24.2 grams

These three plants were in the same tent, under the same light and conditions side by side!

I use sog technique flowered from clone with all my grows and this yield increase changed my whole perspective about this company. I now use sensi bloom a and b bases with my previous feeding programs and its just amazing to see such a differance with just a base change.

Another very noticable differance right off was the canopy. every single plant is the same height and width with bud sites popping sooner. I always had straglers here and there falling behind when using ff and hg creating an uneven canopy top at times, irratating. a even Canopy top means a world of differance in a sog grow.

As far as dried bud quality goes they all looked equally similar in appearance. I gave several samples of each to my friends and they can't tell any notable differance.

as far as there other products I'm not sure. I did purchase a bottle of bud candy and am using it on my current grow. looking forward to seeing the final results.

Aside from substantial yield increases. Fox farm cost me more money and i think are a pain in the ass to mix. each of the three bottles is a different ml per gallon ratio and I still resorted to theyre chart for referance at times and it changes through the flowering. Advanced was staight up 16ml per gallon through out. Can't forget that.

Simply there's always gonna be negatie pesamistic peoples saying this and that about anything and everything, advanced or not. I was skeptic and had to test there hype myself and see it for my own eyes.

Next I will try this cutting edge bases against advanced. Always keeping an open mind.

peace

 

[BudCandy420]

Nice Job..
How long did you veg, and flower for?
I use H&G nutes. However I switched from aqua flakes to cocs formula. I felt the aqua flakes never had enough balls. I switched to cocos and noticed a difference in about 5 days.
That kicks ass !!!!

 

[darkpink]

flowered from clone to 54 days.

coco a b should have more cal mag in it, ive never looked at the label but if it gots more mag then its deffinatly better in flower then aqua a and b, thats always a +.

obvious this test must be done several times to be fully conclusive to everyone, but ide say i get these same results everytime in any medium!

ill do it again when i get scientific but for now this was enough. i noticed a huge difference right off. big pain in the ass mixing three different nutes every other day, i hated it. but it payed off in the end.

im running my last sog grow with sensi a b, plus boosters with bud candy. goos so far.

after this last sog run is finished im switching to 4, 7 gal pots flowering full grown veged bushes scroged.

i recently did a half ass sour d scrog and yield was 8 zips without even trying, with a 600 watt bulb. so thats got me thinkin to scrog 4 huge mommas with 1000 watts total. i know it will be huge yield. ill keep you posted.

i only use sensi bases with bc now, i wish i could get the entire line of products but unfortunatly its above my pay grade and is unjustifiable at the moment. maybee some day.

dp

 

[OCKushCollector]

Great comparison, thanks for sharing.

 

[ImporteXBUILT]

Very nice documentation, darkpink!!! Makes it much easier to see side by side comparisons when in a heated nute debate LOL. +REP!!

 

[dankworth]

Many AN products are overpriced, try to research any product heavily before you buy, to see if there is a cheaper substitute(Rhino skin is a huge ripoff for example).

I have read in several places, and heard from several people that Sensi A+B worked very well and that they were very happy with it. Check out the bottles and figure out the nute ratios of the A+B solution, and maybe see if you can duplicate it with something cheaper. Then you have more money for the equipment fund.

Thank you for taking the time to do that test and show us the results. People lurking everywhere will see this and apply this knowledge to get more weight. There will be more dank in the world from your actions.
Badass.

 

[faintfuzzies]

Darkpink
have you evered compared advanced sensi a/b line to advanced micro grow bloom line..im wondering what line is better. ,how about ionic nutes ? Have any info on them? I really good test would be advanced line against the green leaf nute company line. green leaf nute company makes a powder nute line that basicly clones advanced formulas... Now that would be a great test because if the green leaf line worked well it seems to be way way cheaper than advanced, I tried to find out this info but i could not find the info /results online. not many people heard of green leaf nutes.

well anyway , great job on test, its nice to see this test done by others rather than the advanced nute company team doing this same test on you tube

 

[darkpink]

never heard of green leaf nutes.
i wouldnt mind running more of these test so long as i can get these nutes for free like samples or somthin.

thats a good question, sensi ab or, micro grow bloom. hu.

advanced products are overpriced, but in the case of just this base nute ab alone its cheap, cheaper then h&g and ff.

dp

 

[ukbigbud]

Just to get this right, on these 3 plants did you only use base feed, or other boosters too??? eg did you only use sensi bloom in flower???

 

[CelticEBE]

Thanks darkpink. I have been using AN's Sensi A&B for a couple of years and recently switched over to Heavy 16. This has inspired me to actually do a test run between the two.

 

[scottiegbuds]

This test was awesome bro! I also changed out H&G for Sensi recently huge difference in Base nutes thats for sure, Thanks a bunch for the info Dank

 

[drknockbootz]

I wonder if this shows that the particular strain must respond well to the npk ratios of advanced nutrients......thanks for the test man, good stuff.

 

[Buddy Hemphill]

I wonder if this shows that the particular strain must respond well to the npk ratios of advanced nutrients......thanks for the test man, good stuff.

Nah. Thats what adjusting strength is for.

AN makes good nutes. period.

 

[darkpink]

just base nutes full strength.

i noticed at full strength all were relativly high in ppm 1k+ or so i thought this was gonna burn them. so i feed, water, water maybee another watering depending on bud development and size then feed again water, water etc..

as they got bigger it was feed, water, feed, water etc.
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Just to get this right, on these 3 plants did you only use base feed, or other boosters too??? eg did you only use sensi bloom in flower???

looking forward to seeing the outocme, keep us posted!

Thanks darkpink. I have been using AN's Sensi A&B for a couple of years and recently switched over to Heavy 16. This has inspired me to actually do a test run between the two.

dp

 

[darkpink]

i would love to see an advanced full line vs, FF full line and or house and garden full line.

ide do it but i deffinatly need to be getting that stuff free. advanced alone has terrifying prices on everything other then there bases.

I just wanted to see what a simple and cheap base nute change would conclude. cause most everyone i speak to about bases always says "there all the same". i deffinatly disagree.

with just the base i can pull almost one zip (24 grams) x 36 plants with no expensive boosters! and if you add a booster it deffinatly is worth the cost.

im currently working on another project geared toward a hybrid style of growing ( soilless medium with never becoming root bound), with advanced bases, simple and cheap shit from the hydro store/lowes. i cant be to detailed until the plants are finished but i will deffinatly be showcasing the "hybrid style" if it does in fact work to the end, so far so good!

i notice my plants grow fast fast fast and i can always tell within a few days if my plant is now root bound because they stop that vigerous growth pattern, then i transplant and valuable time goes by, ide like to eliminate that and still grow in coco hence "hybrid"!

dp

 

[faintfuzzies]

Many AN products are overpriced, try to research any product heavily before you buy, to see if there is a cheaper substitute(Rhino skin is a huge ripoff for example).

I have read in several places, and heard from several people that Sensi A+B worked very well and that they were very happy with it. Check out the bottles and figure out the nute ratios of the A+B solution, and maybe see if you can duplicate it with something cheaper. Then you have more money for the equipment fund.

Thank you for taking the time to do that test and show us the results. People lurking everywhere will see this and apply this knowledge to get more weight. There will be more dank in the world from your actions.
Badass.

I hope dont mindi hijack your post here

I found this company greenleaf nutrients, they basicly make cloned version of sensi a/b nutes and a bunch of additives that are just about the same nute ratios as advanced the biggest different is the price and that the green leaf nute comes in the powder form . if you get in touch with green leaf they will send samples out all they ask is that you buy one item to cover shipping and the will send the extra nutes as the samples, I ended up buying the grow formula a/b and that covered the shipping and they gave me extra grow, bloom and the boost for free, all it cost me so far is $ 8.31 it should be enough for my whole grow. from seed to harvest .. I wil be using the nutes soon with a RDWC system (6 plants) I plan on posting stage by stage results when i get it started.. The greatest thing of greenleaf was the advise i got from them , i wanted to buy a bunch of additves also but they told me to keep it simple and just use grow ,bloom and boost(shark attack) they said I will get great results without the additves they sell and that after i know how the base works out then i could add the additves if i want. I felt that was great that they just did not want to over sell to me .. what companys tell you to hold off on additves and wants you to grow with just the base first ..That really impressd me , I am willing to bet Im going to get great results with this green leaf nute and at the fraction of the cost of advanced nute. Now if i called advanced nutriets they would have sold me 20 bottles of stuff saying they all work together an i should not miss out on the whole line.. just as long as i had 1000.00 to spend on nutes

FWIW,

Faint

 

[stonedinthe902]

i too will testify to the quality of advanced nutrients... not to sound like a fan boy or anything, but after helping out many people with their grows over the years, and seeing all sorts of different nutrients being used, it was undeniable that the advanced products were performing better. downside is the price... sure the bottles may not be much more expensive than competitors, but in a lot of times they are more diluted and a bottle won't last as long... but you definately get your money back and then some with the final product.

for the person asking, the sensi a+b formula is better than the 3-part formulas.

my favorite thing about the product line at the moment though is the the ph perfect / ppm perfect. that stuff really works, i've seen my buddy use his city water (left out overnight) with these nutrients, without ever having to adjust ph (or hell, ever having to even meter ph, ppm, ec... he doesn't even have a way to meter it and he doesn't need to).

greenleaf nutrients interests me big time, i'd love to see a side by side comparison of clones with the greenleaf 'logic' grow and bloom (their version of advanced's 'sensi' line). i'm fairly certain the results would be similar, but seeing it sure would win over a lot of people, such as myself and the people i aide.

 

[QCweedisbetter]

Nice work dark Pink what about the substitute did you give none just basics? Also how did AN paid you tO put those results? Lol AN should put more money in product and less in marketing for me they are overrated you can find better for cheaper but thats my point

 

[LexLuthor]

Nah. Thats what adjusting strength is for.

AN makes good nutes. period.

Adjusting the strength of a nutrient solution will not change the NPK ratio, so your wrong about that. Environment, strain, medium, ect. (especially medium) has alot to do with what NPK ratio should be used.