Old School Strains You Want To See More Of

[Smoking Gun]

So of late I have been really craving some of the strains that were floating around at the end of the nineties into the beginning of the 2000's. About 2005 I was getting some really great Hash Plant varieties, one of my favorites being a Cherry Hash Plant that I was able to grab a few oz.'s of. I am also a huge Haze fan, and until recently I hadn't seen good Haze commercially since about 2005. I know there are still plenty of Haze varieties around, but most of them have a good deal of indica genes bred into them, and I really like the old school, super trippy, all head buzz Haze. There were also a whole slew of very fruity strains that were flowing through my neck of the woods at the end of the nineties, and even though I have no clue as to what strains they were they were mighty tasty. I am talking candy sweet, not a hint of sweet, it was almost like smoking berries and pine leaves. And while I never really got my hands on any super stinky Skunk, I would love to see them return.

In all honesty I have really become quite sick of all the Chem, OG, and Sour varieties that have flooded the market. Those genetics have been bred into a large portion of what is available in seed form. I am not saying that those genetics aren't good, they wouldn't be in such high demand if they weren't good, I have simply smoked so much of them I really desire something different. I know I need to just grow my own, but my current situation in life does not afford me the luxury of growing what I want to smoke. So I patiently await for the time when the Chem family is not dominating the market.

What are some of the old school varieties you guys are craving?

 

[soserthc1]

thai stick -panama red -

 

[Smoking Gun]

I would love to see some real Panama Red. Are you talking about the opium dipped Thai stick?

 

[sky high]

In all honesty I have really become quite sick of all the Chem, OG, and Sour varieties that have flooded the market.

It does make me wonder if...like "Skunk"(whatever the fuck it actually was)... the "Kush" genetics (whatever they fuck they actually are) will all eventually be blended into one homogenous fuel/diesel/sour watered-down offering that will eventually not at all resemble what folks once remembered "Kush" to be.... :eek:

I have a couple dozen seed packs (HS coin packs) that date pre-2005 or somewhere around that date I should pop and see what is in 'em. It's pretty crazy to see how fast a lot of the old strains were dropped when the "Kush" fad hit full-force (aka ...every cross is a "new" kush and has a new name). Before 2005 and Organkid's drop of "OGKush" and Bubba Kush" in S-1 form, ($100 a pack when you could get them) I can't truly remember any other "kush" seed being sold commercially/on the boards...except maybe "Hindu" kush.

funny how things change, huh? And the next fad will be???? :D

s h

 

[Smoking Gun]

It does make me wonder if...like "Skunk"(whatever the fuck it actually was)... the "Kush" genetics (whatever they fuck they actually are) will all eventually be blended into one homogenous fuel/diesel/sour watered-down offering that will eventually not at all resemble what folks once remembered "Kush" to be.... :eek:

I have a couple dozen seed packs (HS coin packs) that date pre-2005 or somewhere around that date I should pop and see what is in 'em. It's pretty crazy to see how fast a lot of the old strains were dropped when the "Kush" fad hit full-force (aka ...every cross is a "new" kush and has a new name). Before 2005 and Organkid's drop of "OGKush" and Bubba Kush" in S-1 form, ($100 a pack when you could get them) I can't truly remember any other "kush" seed being sold commercially/on the boards...except maybe "Hindu" kush.

funny how things change, huh? And the next fad will be???? :D

s h

This is exactly where I fear the industry is growing. Look how at the Random Auctions block at the top of the page, every time a new set pops up at least half of them have genetics from the Chem family tree. I understand that OG is awesome, but part of what makes it so awesome is its unique flavors, but if we breed it into everything it loses that special something. As for the Kush craze, it did hit hard and fast, and most of it didn't have any actual kush, or even OG kush in there, people were just getting strains and attaching kush to the end to make it sell. Before Bubba and OG you are correct the only kush on the market was Hindu Kush and Master Kush, and the Master came from Hindu lines. The whole kush craze has really subsided, that is unless you are taking about OG, then the market demand is as high as ever.

Hopefully some of us who are looking for something different to smoke, and not just the next name to make a buck, will start breeding some new varieties. I am hoping some people use some of the older genetics -the real stuff, seed packs from before 2005- to create new gear. Hopefully the new fad will be getting back to some of the older flavors.

KC Brains kind fell out of favor with the market, but I think his gear would be great material to start some new unique varieties. I have been really considering getting some of his gear when I have the money to do so, even if I have to put the seeds away for several years before I can work with them.

 

[fractal]

Champagne, G-13 (piney intense smelling one, not the bland stony G), silver haze, plum bud, bubblegum, piney Romulan cut. All really dank stuff going around seattle in the early 2000s.

 

[sanvanalona]

I know all ab0ut the hash plant and miss her so dearly. That was one of my favorite smokes, true hash plant at its finest.....as for the cherry hashplant unless you knew the breeder I think the cherry was just to describe that particular crop..."thats cherry bro" at least that is what I saw around that time period with the same name. The other ones I miss are true northern lights, super skunk and almost anything from oregon around the late 90's early 00's that was local, champagne from B.C., dutch treat from B.c., cotton candy, I also remember something called "the fruit" that was out of this world sweet and tasty.

The sweet strains are still out there and just not as easily available on the commercial market......there is a blueberry in cali that I suspect is behind a lot of the blue crosses here that is very sweet and it is apparent in its crosses (or what I suspect is in the cross) blue dream and blueberry diesel (medicinal orgaincs) as well as a few others I have seen, the green crack is extremely sweet and great tasting when done right (just not the best stone), the whole purple line (kush, erkle, gdp, lavs) is a wonderful newer flavor that was not around in the late 90's, the grapefruit I grow tastes exactly like grapefruits its ridiculously sweet and even the smell to non smokers will have them saying it smells like grapefruit. Don't get me wrong I long for the amazing strains of yesteryear, one of which ironically was a b.c.kush and it had nothing to do with og or bubba or probably any other kush for that matter but holy shit it was some amazing smoke, but I also love what is around today and have a hard time finding anything that beats my sour, og, or Chemdog #4 in terms of sheer flavor and high as far as current strains.

 

[Smoking Gun]

I know all ab0ut the hash plant and miss her so dearly. That was one of my favorite smokes, true hash plant at its finest.....as for the cherry hashplant unless you knew the breeder I think the cherry was just to describe that particular crop..."thats cherry bro" at least that is what I saw around that time period with the same name. The other ones I miss are true northern lights, super skunk and almost anything from oregon around the late 90's early 00's that was local, champagne from B.C., dutch treat from B.c., cotton candy, I also remember something called "the fruit" that was out of this world sweet and tasty.

The sweet strains are still out there and just not as easily available on the commercial market......there is a blueberry in cali that I suspect is behind a lot of the blue crosses here that is very sweet and it is apparent in its crosses (or what I suspect is in the cross) blue dream and blueberry diesel (medicinal orgaincs) as well as a few others I have seen, the green crack is extremely sweet and great tasting when done right (just not the best stone), the whole purple line (kush, erkle, gdp, lavs) is a wonderful newer flavor that was not around in the late 90's, the grapefruit I grow tastes exactly like grapefruits its ridiculously sweet and even the smell to non smokers will have them saying it smells like grapefruit. Don't get me wrong I long for the amazing strains of yesteryear, one of which ironically was a b.c.kush and it had nothing to do with og or bubba or probably any other kush for that matter but holy shit it was some amazing smoke, but I also love what is around today and have a hard time finding anything that beats my sour, og, or Chemdog #4 in terms of sheer flavor and high as far as current strains.

The Cherry Hash Plant I got my hands was named so for its flavor, it indeed had a nice cherry and very hashy flavor. I have no idea about its actual genetics, I didn't grow it, just got my hands on a few ounces. But there were other very typical hash plant varieties around that tasted hashy and acrid, but they were still rather nice smokes.

Where I was in the late nineties and early 00's the only stuff we saw from Canada was beasters, I quickly grew to hate those damn beasters. I know there was good smoke coming from there, I just never saw any of it.

I am not trying to bash the newer stuff, I am just kind of sick of it, all of my bud is starting to taste the same, and the same thing time after time is very, very, very boring. I truly love good OG, one of my favorites to grow too, but people are simply using it far too much and crossing it with everything, and eventually it is totally possible everything will have OG genetics in them. So to keep genetic variety and variety in my pipes, I would love to see some older varieties get reintroduced.

 

[sanvanalona]

[quote="Smoking Gun, post: 901689, member: 1148"
I am not trying to bash the newer stuff, I am just kind of sick of it, all of my bud is starting to taste the same, and the same thing time after time is very, very, very boring. I truly love good OG, one of my favorites to grow too, but people are simply using it far too much and crossing it with everything, and eventually it is totally possible everything will have OG genetics in them. So to keep genetic variety and variety in my pipes, I would love to see some older varieties get reintroduced.[/quote]

100% agree. I would love to see some new things brought to the table, that usually requires seed popping and a whole lot of it. Its a little difficult to do in states like Cali where numbers really matter, depending upon the county of course. In other medical states though, such as in Co and MT (before the new legislation went into play) the laws allow for more numbers and therefore more seeds. In MT for instance, if you were a caregiver you were allowed six plants per patient with no patient limits allowing for a lot of selection; most growers were newbies and had no access to clones so therefore lots of seeds were being popped. From what I saw 95% of the seeds were not worth mentioning, but the 5% that were really brought new things to the scene. We need a lot more of this and most likely seeds not sourced in the states because like you said there is a high chance that og has been bred with them, of course subcool would be an exception bog too for that matter. I would also like to see some of the B.C. strains such as hashplant available on the seed market, its a travesty that such good genetics are not being shared from up there.....not only hashplant but champagne, afghani bluerider, their version of dutch treat that is super orangey tasting as well as some of the super strains throughout the states that are hoarded by some old timers......oregon has some very nice things always has and I would love to see some of the guarded strains make their way to the public. Good topic.

 

[fractal]

I would love to dive into some of the new Northern Lights varieties mr nice has released lately. Especially that double NL they're calling ortega. Seriously the NL kicks ass when done right. . . my friend had the sickest cut of Sensi NL for a while that tasted like caramel and hash, you could pick it at 50 days and it would be insanely good with nothing lacking.

 

[sky high]

I wonder if this Mr. Nice selection is a rework of the Sensi Ortega or something to do wiith the Ortega clone that circulated (prolly still out there) in the early 2000's/10 years ago or so?

 

[tattoojim]

I wonder if this Mr. Nice selection is a rework of the Sensi Ortega or something to do wiith the Ortega clone that circulated (prolly still out there) in the early 2000's/10 years ago or so?

about 6 years ago i was at a buddys house, and he had a jar on the table...that jar had a lable on it that looked like a ortega salsa lable...o_O i said what the hell is this...thats some herb he said...i said your weed is gonna taste like salsa...he laughed and said thats what she is called..

 

[pugliese63]

It does make me wonder if...like "Skunk"(whatever the fuck it actually was)... the "Kush" genetics (whatever they fuck they actually are) will all eventually be blended into one homogenous fuel/diesel/sour watered-down offering that will eventually not at all resemble what folks once remembered "Kush" to be.... :eek:

I have a couple dozen seed packs (HS coin packs) that date pre-2005 or somewhere around that date I should pop and see what is in 'em. It's pretty crazy to see how fast a lot of the old strains were dropped when the "Kush" fad hit full-force (aka ...every cross is a "new" kush and has a new name). Before 2005 and Organkid's drop of "OGKush" and Bubba Kush" in S-1 form, ($100 a pack when you could get them) I can't truly remember any other "kush" seed being sold commercially/on the boards...except maybe "Hindu" kush.

funny how things change, huh? And the next fad will be???? :D

s h

I couldn't agree more. Like yourself I have a whole bunch of stuff from the old Heaven's Stairway and C-Bay. Man do I miss C-bay, not that there is anything wrong with today's auctions. I just miss all the old school varieties that were around before the Kush and Chem craze. Nothing wrong with either its just a simple fact they aren't the only strains with potency. Strong cannabis has been around a long time. Take a good look at Ace's and Canabiogen's selections made up of landrace genetics. I also think many have forgotten that strength or potency isn't the only aspect of cannabis. Dubi from Ace uses the term "effect" which I think is much more appropriate. Many of the older strains offered various effects that I find very desirable. I have two cuts from a pack of seed I got on the Tommy Chong auction, Colombian/Widow x Nevil's Haze. Both cuts produce wonderful but very different effects. One quite psychedelic and the other just the most positive vibration you could imagine. Almost like opium without the negative issues.

I dearly miss the Skunk #1 I got from Nevil's seed bank back in the late eighties. Wonderful high, would leave you red eyed, satisfied and laughing for hours. And stunk like a real skunk. Not fruity like today's skunk.

Like yourself skyhigh I need to start popping some of those packs and get nostalgic. Maybe a few people with some of the older stock will get interested and produce some F2's or IX's for a revival of sorts.

As far as old school strains I'd like to see more of, the first would be the real deal Skunk #1 and then some of the NL series such as the #1, #2 and #5. The old Durban-Thai Highflyer from SSSC would also be a nice. I know I've recently seen a few William's Wonder F3's floating around that might be worth the effort as well.

 

[fractal]

Positive vibrations for sure pug! That's what many of the newer strains are lacking. They are potent and kind, but it's rare to get one that actually motivates you and puts a smile in your brain. I made one like that, hit up the sour D cut with a white widow male. Got the sickest dank ass plants I ever saw in my life. Of four phenos, one of them carried the most potent and positive effect I ever encountered. I did give it to my neighbor before I moved, I have to call him up and see if he still has it. It is so good, it's got an awesome sweet and sour orange flavor I really hope he kept that one. Found a pic of it here she is. . .

 

[Darth Fader]

...the grapefruit I grow tastes exactly like grapefruits its ridiculously sweet and even the smell to non smokers will have them saying it smells like grapefruit.

I want that Grapefruit!! LOL - do you know the origins of that cut? Agreed on "effect" as well, which some people confuse w/ potency.

 

[WalterWhiteFire]

We used to get some really flame PLUTON and a strain called FOAM in the 90's would kill for some of that crop to blaze right now. Never see NL, HP, Jack, AK47 anymore either.

 

[green punk]

The Bubble gum from the 90's. The AK47 I cracked in 96 made the AK available now days seem like ditchweed. I too miss the old Skunk#1.

 

[Smoking Gun]

The Bubble gum from the 90's. The AK47 I cracked in 96 made the AK available now days seem like ditchweed.

Several years ago I grew the AK47 Cherry pheno, I only grew it once. In fact I was never particularly impressed by any sample of AK I had. I guess maybe because it was all from newer stock. The strain had such a great reputation I was rather surprised at how disappointed I was with it. Maybe its time for people with old packs of AK seeds to pop them, hopefully that could restore the good name of the strain.

 

[sanvanalona]

I want that Grapefruit!! LOL - do you know the origins of that cut? Agreed on "effect" as well, which some people confuse w/ potency.

You know I cannot find the origins of this at all(it came from my crew in santa cruz but that's about all I got), but I can tell you it is the most on point strain of all the fruits.....meaning it actually tastes exactly like grapefruit and not slightly. actually wait one minute..... yep my mom says it smells crazy fruity.....she hasn't smoked since Nixon was president!!!!!hahah. Green punk I want that ak, I bet it was super fire!!!!!!

 

[fractal]

Shit let's take it all the way back to the old school. What I want is to walk in a pot shop and see thai sticks, columbian, mexican, nepalese hash, bangladesh weed, afghan slabs and all other varieties sourced from their native countries. Fuck the thousand types of dutch hybrids, the butane oil, well the bubblehash yes let's keep that. . . But damn it would be awesome to have true exotic weed and hash from all over the world and for old school prices too. Ounces for 100 bucks or less of sun grown organic natural herb that has a true personality. Think the world will ever be sane enough to encourage cannabis growing and worldwide legal trade of cannabis?