Advanced Nutrients Question

[SecretJardinDS90]

Hry all so I was thinking of getting the AN hobbyist bundle, any one used this in soil ? Is it good for veg and bloom ?

Thanks

 

[Oregon Panda]

Liquid ferts for soil... Well after looking at what was included, if you follow the directions and aplicate at the proper times it will work. I'm willing to bet a fish in the middle of your planter of choice outdoes it, and is also infinitely easier with less chance to fuck up. Simple is best i say... Last year I used a specifically formulated ammendment plan, perfectly timed to decompose and become avalible when needed. Every kind of organic meal you can conjure up, 3 types of guano, liquid kelp at key times, liquid phosphites, liquid silica... Humboldt's Gravity(sigh). Were outpreformed by a simple fish... Thousands of dollars spent for medicine that was of only debatably better quality, based on opinion. If your growing in soil, liquid is expensive and wasteful IMHO. Ammendments are easy to come by in any greenhouse supply store and a simple alfalfa-fish-bone-kelp meal mixed generously with well aged animal compost should be up to snuff for even the snootiest of weed oficianato, add myco and use compost tea if yoru nervous about not having enough buggers to eat it all up. I think you'll take solice in knowing all you need to do from day 1 is water. If you have any doubts about ammendments send me a PM.

 

[SecretJardinDS90]

Liquid ferts for soil... Well after looking at what was included, if you follow the directions and aplicate at the proper times it will work. I'm willing to bet a fish in the middle of your planter of choice outdoes it, and is also infinitely easier with less chance to fuck up. Simple is best i say... Last year I used a specifically formulated ammendment plan, perfectly timed to decompose and become avalible when needed. Every kind of organic meal you can conjure up, 3 types of guano, liquid kelp at key times, liquid phosphites, liquid silica... Humboldt's Gravity(sigh). Were outpreformed by a simple fish... Thousands of dollars spent for medicine that was of only debatably better quality, based on opinion. If your growing in soil, liquid is expensive and wasteful IMHO. Ammendments are easy to come by in any greenhouse supply store and a simple alfalfa-fish-bone-kelp meal mixed generously with well aged animal compost should be up to snuff for even the snootiest of weed oficianato, add myco and use compost tea if yoru nervous about not having enough buggers to eat it all up. I think you'll take solice in knowing all you need to do from day 1 is water. If you have any doubts about ammendments send me a PM.

Wow, your purely truly organic eh ? I was just wondering about the AN line, I'm not gonna get it just wanted to know about it, from what I've read on other forums it sounds expensive as hell, I'm currently using botanicare pure blend pro grow for veg and pure blend pro loom for flower, both are workin great, there easy to use and there cheap too.

So is what your saying cut up a fish and mix it into my soil ? LOL I probably misunderstood you

 

[Oregon Panda]

I'n not sure what your police state of origin is, but in the USA this is probably one of the first farming techniques you learn as a little tyke. The indians taught the pilgrims about companion planting and fertilizing with a whole fish. The blood protiene and fat all break down into nitrogen, the scales and bone break into phosphorous and calcium.... I dont know where the potassium comes from but its gotta be in there because my plants have never been deficiant when using it as the (almost) sole fertilization source. I'm not a scientist and dont understand how these things work, they just do.

 

[SecretJardinDS90]

I'n not sure what your police state of origin is, but in the USA this is probably one of the first farming techniques you learn as a little tyke. The indians taught the pilgrims about companion planting and fertilizing with a whole fish. The blood protiene and fat all break down into nitrogen, the scales and bone break into phosphorous and calcium.... I dont know where the potassium comes from but its gotta be in there because my plants have never been deficiant when using it as the (almost) sole fertilization source. I'm not a scientist and dont understand how these things work, they just do.

So what kind of fish do you use ? Tuna ? Salmon ? Gold fish ?

 

[Oregon Panda]

If your the handy type, whatever you can catch. If your a time is money type I'd go with salmon, tuna, trout, red snapper, really whatever is availible whole from the market. Obviously a goldfish is too small, and a massive sailfish or dorado is childish. But you get out what you put in, a good several pounder is suffecient for a 12 to 16 week grow season. If your growing outside then animals might dig your shit up, if your inside it will stink unless you use at least a foot of dirt between the fish and the surface. An organic all pourpose granulated time release formula is your next best option, with an inorganic time release granule a distant third (Osmocote) or commercial 16-16-16 if your privy to farm supply stores.

 

[SecretJardinDS90]

If your the handy type, whatever you can catch. If your a time is money type I'd go with salmon, tuna, trout, red snapper, really whatever is availible whole from the market. Obviously a goldfish is too small, and a massive sailfish or dorado is childish. But you get out what you put in, a good several pounder is suffecient for a 12 to 16 week grow season. If your growing outside then animals might dig your shit up, if your inside it will stink unless you use at least a foot of dirt between the fish and the surface. An organic all pourpose granulated time release formula is your next best option, with an inorganic time release granule a distant third (Osmocote) or commercial 16-16-16 if your privy to farm supply stores.

LOL your a funny guy. I have never heard of this before. That was gonna be my next question though, I would think it would stink up the whole house. I generally use 2 gallon pots as my grow space is limited. So buy a whole fish cut it up and throw it in the middle of a fresh transplant and away it goes ? Maybe I'll try this on one plant my next grow.

Do you have any pictures you can share with the community for this method ? I have to see it for my self to believe you

 

[Oregon Panda]

In a 2 gallon pot you can get away with a significantlly smaller fish. Maybe a 2lb fillet? lol
As for pics, they are the best way to get me questioning how smart it is to talk about this on the internet. But what the hell.

Since your inside and worried about the smell (I assume for your own sanity rather than concern for your neighbors) Totally go granular. Once you ammend you wont want to go back.

The foremost plant on the right was grown using a 6 or 7 lb fish, a cubic foot of wormcastings, and the cheapest fill dirt I could find. It is dwarfed by the plant behind it, but is also using less than half the space to grow 100 gal vs 45. This was last year a week or 2 before harvest.

 

[SecretJardinDS90]

Holy fack!

I think I might have to try this. So I guess I'll just goto the supermarket and buy small fish.

 

[Oregon Panda]

Plant in the small pot is Warlock from Magus, plant in big pot behind it is a Shishkaberry clone from Cash Crop Ken from beans sprouted in 2003. The difference in strains may also account for the size difference.

 

[SecretJardinDS90]

Plant in the small pot is Warlock from Magus, plant in big pot behind it is a Shishkaberry clone from Cash Crop Ken from beans sprouted in 2003. The difference in strains may also account for the size difference.

I really don't understand how to do this. Just put some soil in a pot, throw a fish in there, put the plant in and fill with more soil then water ? Is that it ????

 

[Oregon Panda]

You want a few inches of dirt atleast between the transplant roots and the fish. Put in some dirt, drop in the fish, more dirt, then your rooted clone. North American natives could do it 2600 years ago, you can too. I suggest using some animal compost of some sort to feed your plant until its roots reach the fish/ it starts to decompose. Other than that its really as simple as it sounds.


http://notrickszone.com/2010/11/25/...-adapted-and-avoided-the-folly-of-mitigation/

http://www.ehow.com/how_7330892_native-americans-taught-plant-corn.html

The last link is instructions on how to plant a 3 sisters mound, use cannabis instead of corn. Happy learning.

 

[SecretJardinDS90]

You want a few inches of dirt atleast between the transplant roots and the fish. Put in some dirt, drop in the fish, more dirt, then your rooted clone. North American natives could do it 2600 years ago, you can too. I suggest using some animal compost of some sort to feed your plant until its roots reach the fish/ it starts to decompose. Other than that its really as simple as it sounds.


http://notrickszone.com/2010/11/25/...-adapted-and-avoided-the-folly-of-mitigation/

http://www.ehow.com/how_7330892_native-americans-taught-plant-corn.html

The last link is instructions on how to plant a 3 sisters mound, use cannabis instead of corn. Happy learning.

Will this work when sowing from seed ?

 

[Oregon Panda]

I cannot fathom a reason why it would not.

 

[SecretJardinDS90]

I cannot fathom a reason why it would not.

This is by far the most outrageous thing I've ever heard. Which is exactly why I'm going to have to try it. I'm always up for experimenting when it comes to gardening.

So what kind of yields do you get by doing this ? Can I use the one fish for the entire process ?

 

[Oregon Panda]

1 fish is the idea. In our state we dont like to talk about yield... Expect nothing and you'll be impressed.
Its all so dependant on the strain I really couldnt even estimate that for you. I had plants that surrendered 5lbs primo cola buds, not including the scruff schwagg popcorn stuff, and in the same mix plants that gave me less than 2lbs. "err I mean everything yielded a lb. No more no less, stop asking questions about weight and just take your meds please!"

 

[SecretJardinDS90]

1 fish is the idea. In our state we dont like to talk about yield... Expect nothing and you'll be impressed.
Its all so dependant on the strain I really couldnt even estimate that for you. I had plants that surrendered 5lbs primo cola buds, not including the scruff schwagg popcorn stuff, and in the same mix plants that gave me less than 2lbs. "err I mean everything yielded a lb. No more no less, stop asking questions about weight and just take your meds please!"

Hey fair enough.

 

[Cuervo Porrelli]

In a 2 gallon pot you can get away with a significantlly smaller fish. Maybe a 2lb fillet? lol
As for pics, they are the best way to get me questioning how smart it is to talk about this on the internet. But what the hell.

Since your inside and worried about the smell (I assume for your own sanity rather than concern for your neighbors) Totally go granular. Once you ammend you wont want to go back.
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The foremost plant on the right was grown using a 6 or 7 lb fish, a cubic foot of wormcastings, and the cheapest fill dirt I could find. It is dwarfed by the plant behind it, but is also using less than half the space to grow 100 gal vs 45. This was last year a week or 2 before harvest.

DAYUMMM! Panda, nice to meet you btw. Call me JC. How many times did you top/train one of those plants to get them so bushy??

 

[Cuervo Porrelli]

Sorry jardin for not saying hi. Hi! :(

 

[SecretJardinDS90]

Sorry jardin for not saying hi. Hi! :(

It's all good bro.

And yea good question!!!